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[1. Roll Call]

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CAROLINA JOHNSON: HELLO.

HELLO.

[2. Draft unapproved minutes of the Regular Meeting of the City Council held November 4, 2020.]

[3. Consideration of a petition from Midland Rye LLC to amend the City of Rye Zoning Code by expanding the list of permissible uses in the B-5 “Interchange Office Building” ZoningDistrict.]

JOSH COHN: HI EVERYONE, THERE ARE ENOUGH OF US HERE NOW THAT WE CAN ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE JOSH COHN: SESSION. SO, WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF NOVEMBER 18 2020 WE'RE ABOUT TO ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, AND WE'LL RETURN AT 630 JOSH COHN: SO A QUORUM BEING PRESENT, MAY HAVE EMOTION.

CAROLINA JOHNSON: SO, JOSH COHN: ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

JOSH COHN: AWAY WE GO

[5. Resolution to waive parking restrictions and parking fees in all downtown parking lots and Purchase Street for the period between December 7, 2020 and December 26, 2020. Roll Call.]

[6. Consideration of a request from the Chamber of Commerce to use the Village Green on November 28 & 29, 2020 from 11 AM – 4 PM for puppet and science shows as well as a children’s singer. All events will be by sign-up only and limited to 50 people with a new event beginning every hour.]

[7. Resolution designating the days and time of regular meetings of the City Council for 2021 setting January 6, 2021 as the first regular meeting.]

[8. Old Business/New Business.]

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JULIE SOUZA: WE'RE WAITING FOR RICH

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JOSH COHN: I AM I TEXTED HIM.

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JOSH COHN: WAS STARTING ANOTHER MINUTE.

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JOSH COHN: OKAY, LET'S

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JOSH COHN: LET'S, LET'S BEGIN. PLEASE WELCOME TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF NOVEMBER 18 2020

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JOSH COHN: CAROLYN MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

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CAROLYN D'ANDREA: COUNCILWOMAN GATHERED

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HERE.

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CAROLYN D'ANDREA: COUNCILWOMAN JOHNSON HERE.

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CAROLYN D'ANDREA: COUNCILMAN MECCA.

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JOSH COHN: YOU'RE MUTED RICH

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RICHARD MECCA: YEAH.

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CAROLYN D'ANDREA: COUNCILWOMAN SOUZA,

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CAROLYN D'ANDREA: COUNCIL COUNCILWOMAN TARLOW

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HERE.

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BEN STACKS: THANK YOU FOR CALLING.

CAROLYN D'ANDREA: OH, I'M SORRY. OKAY. BEN, YOU'RE HERE.

BEN STACKS: RIGHT.

CAROLYN D'ANDREA: I COUNT MAYOR CONE.

HERE.

JOSH COHN: THANK YOU.

JOSH COHN: SO WE HAVE DRAFT DONE APPROVED MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL HELD NOVEMBER 4 2020 AND HE CHANGES.

CAROLYN D'ANDREA: JUST MINISTERIAL CHANGES THERE.

JULIE SOUZA: I'LL MAKE EMOTION.

JOSH COHN: SECOND, RICHARD MECCA: ANYWAY, JOSH COHN: ALL IN FAVOR.

CAROLINA JOHNSON: ALL RIGHT.

HI.

JOSH COHN: HEY, THEN MOVES US TO ITEM THREE, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR DECEMBER 2 2020 TO CONTINUE CONSIDERATION OF A PETITION FOR MIDDLE AND RYE LLC.

JOSH COHN: TO AMEND THE CITY OF RISE ZONING CODE TO EXPAND THE LIST OF PERMISSIBLE USES IN THE BEEF FIVE INTERCHANGE OFFICE BUILDINGS ZONING DISTRICT ALL PUBLIC HEARING COMMENTS CETERA BEN STACKS: JOSH, I'LL BE RECUSING MYSELF AGAIN.

JOSH COHN: OKAY. BEN AND AND AND AND JOSH COHN: THAT, THAT, THAT'S A CONSTANT THAT IS YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE HERE WITH US, BUT YOU ARE JOSH COHN: NOT ENGAGED ON THIS MATTER.

CAROLINA JOHNSON: THANK YOU.

JOSH COHN: I'M JUST WONDERING, CHRISTIAN OR WHOEVER STARTED ON JOSH COHN: POTENTIAL PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

JOSH COHN: ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE RAISED THEIR HANDS TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.

KRISTEN WILSON: I KRISTEN WILSON: JOSH, ARE YOU KRISTEN WILSON: I MEAN IT'S NOT ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING SO JOSH COHN: NO, IT'S NOT ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT'S A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM AND PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO IN THE ORDINARY COURSE LOGIN TO SPEAK ON JOSH COHN: ON MATTERS ON OUR AGENDA, ARE YOU, ARE YOU SUGGESTING OTHERWISE.

KRISTEN WILSON: WELL, TO BE IN THE OFFICIAL I GUESS RECORD OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEY COULD SPEAK TONIGHT, BUT THAT WOULD THEN ENCOURAGE THEM TO SPEAK AGAIN AND BE PART OF THE ACTUAL HEARING ON THE MATTER.

JOSH COHN: OH, OH, OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE ACTUALLY WELL CHRISTIAN MILLER, CITY PLANNER: WELL, THERE ARE NINE ATTENDEES, THOSE THAT ARE VIEWING AS AN ATTENDEE, WE HAVE THE ATTENDEE COUNT THAT SHOWS CHRISTIAN MILLER, CITY PLANNER: JUST IF I GUESS THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. IF YOU WANT TO HEAR COMMENT WE WOULD JUST ASK THAT THEY HAVE TO RAISE THEIR HAND. SO WE COULD RECOGNIZE THEM.

KRISTEN WILSON: NO ONE IS RAISING THEIR HAND YET.

JOSH COHN: OKAY, SO THEN LET ME LET ME LET ME WELCOME BACK THE JOSH COHN: MIDDLE AND RYE LLC AND AND FAT. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE WORK THAT WE CAN SEE THAT YOU DID ON THE TEXT AMENDMENT. NOW MIND YOU, WE MAY STILL HAVE MORE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS FOR YOU, BUT JOSH COHN: SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR WILLINGNESS TO TO TRY TO WORK WITH OUR CONCERNS.

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STEVEN WRABEL: I WILL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. MR. MAYOR, AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME STEAMER ABLE ON THE BLOCK MCCULLOUGH GOLDBERGER AND STOUT STEVEN WRABEL: WITH ME TONIGHT IS PETER DUNCAN FROM GEORGE COMFORT AND SONS. WE ALSO HAVE AARON WERNER ON BEHALF OF A CAR IF I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S BEEN PROMOTED YET.

STEVEN WRABEL: HE'S HERE IN LIEU OF PETER FOR ALL AND WE HAVE MARK PATROL FROM GMC ENGINEERING STEVEN WRABEL: SO AS THE MAYOR NOTED, WE DID TAKE YOUR COMMENTS FROM THE NOVEMBER 4 MEETING TO HEART AND WE HAVE MADE A NUMBER OF REVISIONS THAT WE BELIEVE STEVEN WRABEL: SUBSTANTIALLY ADDRESS WHAT WAS ASKED OF US AT THE LAST MEETING IF YOU'D LIKE. I'M HAPPY TO OUTLINE THOSE CHANGES OR IF YOU WANT TO GO STRAIGHT INTO QUESTIONS, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. IT'S TOTALLY UP TO YOU.

JOSH COHN: I THINK YOU JOSH COHN: WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU OUTLINE THE CHANGES.

STEVEN WRABEL: SURE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, HAD REALLY BEEN ASKED ABOUT WAS STEVEN WRABEL: HOW ARE YOU DEFINING FINISHING AN ASSEMBLY AND HOW ARE YOU DIFFERENTIATING THAT FROM MORE TYPICAL STEVEN WRABEL: MANUFACTURING OR OR INDUSTRY INDUSTRIAL USES. AND SO WE DID ADD SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE ON ON THE DEFINITIONS AND WE TRIED TO REALLY DISCERN IT FROM MANUFACTURING AS FAR AS SETTING THE USE STEVEN WRABEL: WE ALSO MADE A CONDITION THAT ANY FINISHING OR ASSEMBLING USE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE SPECIFICALLY DEFINED STEVEN WRABEL: AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF YOU COME IN.

STEVEN WRABEL: AND THEY'RE ASSEMBLING PRODUCT A AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL IF THAT ASSEMBLY TENANT LEAVES IN 10 YEARS AND THE NEW ONE COMES IN AND THEY WANT TO ASSEMBLE PRODUCT BE STEVEN WRABEL: YOU STILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A NEW REVIEW OF POTENTIAL IMPACTS AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL, BECAUSE THE SPECIFIC USE OF ASSEMBLY. A WAS DEFINED. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH CITY OVERSIGHT TO REALLY LOOK AT THOSE USES STEVEN WRABEL: WE'VE ALSO PROPOSED A RESTRICTION ON ALL DELIVERY TRUCKS ESSENTIALLY MAKING IT SO THAT THEY HAVE TO COME IN OFF THE MIDDLE AND ROAD ENTRANCE STEVEN WRABEL: SHOOTING MIDDLE AND AVENUE ENTRANCE. BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT PACK AND TRUCK TRAFFIC. SO WE'VE SAID ALL DELIVERY VEHICLES HAVE TO COME IN OFF OF A STATE OR COUNTY HIGHWAY AND THEN LINDA AVENUE IS ROUTE 72 STEVEN WRABEL: AND THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING RESTRICTIONS ON PARK AVENUE, WHICH PROHIBIT CERTAIN TRUCKS OVER FIVE TIMES I THINK FROM MAKING CERTAIN TURNS ON TO PACK.

STEVEN WRABEL: AND THEN STEVEN WRABEL: FINALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT HOW OUR IMPACTS GOING TO BE RESTRICTED OR REVIEWED AND HOW ARE THEY GOING TO BE DEFINED STEVEN WRABEL: AND WE TOOK A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. LOOK AT THE EXISTING ORDINANCE.

STEVEN WRABEL: WHICH HAS SUBSTANTIAL RESTRICTIONS ALREADY BAKED IN THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO ALL SPECIAL PERMIT USES IN THE BE FIVE DISTRICTS, INCLUDING THOSE THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. NOW, THOSE WILL BE SUBJECT TO IT.

STEVEN WRABEL: AND IT INCLUDES VERY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE ABOUT MITIGATING A VARIETY OF IMPACTS ON TOP OF WHICH WE'VE PROPOSED AND EVEN LIKELY MORE STRINGENT STANDARD STEVEN WRABEL: THAT FOR TESTING OR ASSEMBLY USES. THEY COULD BE NO MORE IMPACTFUL THAN THE ALREADY PERMITTED OFFICE USE. SO THAT'S REALLY THE HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE CHANGES AND CERTAINLY IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO ANSWER THEM.

JOSH COHN: I, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS, AND I'M SURE OTHERS DO IT AS WELL. BUT I'LL KEEP I'LL KICK OFF SO JOSH COHN: I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT WITH RESPECT TO DISTINGUISHING MANUFACTURING JOSH COHN: BUT I DID LOOK INTO ASSEMBLY, A LITTLE AND LITERALLY SOME OF THE LARGEST FACTORIES IN THE UNITED STATES ARE TERMED ASSEMBLY FACILITIES.

JOSH COHN: LIKE MONSTER AUTOMOBILE ASSEMBLY PLANTS AND THE LIKE. AND THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN ASSEMBLY AND MANUFACTURING DOESN'T REALLY GET US THAT MUCH COMFORT BUT I ALSO DISCOVERED SOMETHING OUT THERE CALLED LIGHT FINISHING OR ASSEMBLY OR LIGHT FINISHING AND ASSEMBLING AS A JOSH COHN: PARTICULAR JOSH COHN: I DON'T KNOW IF IT COULD BE CALLED A SUB INDUSTRY SUB PROCESS, WHATEVER, BUT I DID NOT SUCCEED IN MY LITTLE BIT OF JOSH COHN: TIME SEARCHING ONLINE IN IN CREATING, EXCUSE ME, A DEFINITION FOR THAT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY USEFUL TO US IF WE COULD BE CALLING OUR FINISHING OR ASSEMBLING HERE IN THIS BUILDING LIGHT FINISHING OR ASSEMBLING AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH A CONCEPT THAT DISTINGUISHES IT FROM OTHER

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JOSH COHN: ASSEMBLAGE FOR PERHAPS ON THE BASIS THAT YOU ALSO DISTINGUISHED MANUFACTURING, THAT IS IN TERMS OF SIZE SCALE TRAFFIC INTENSITY OF YOUR ENERGY USAGE AND POLLUTION POTENTIAL. SO I THINK THAT JOSH COHN: MIDDLE AND RIAL SEE IS IS TALKING ABOUT.

JOSH COHN: REALLY, TRULY LIGHT FINISHING OR ASSEMBLING JOSH COHN: AND AND SOMEONE MENTIONED AND PERHAPS THAT'S JUST OUT OF THE ETHER AND MISPLACED THINGS LIKE ASSEMBLING COMPUTER PARTS OR OR OR OR DROPPING KEYBOARD KEYS INTO PLACE OR AND IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN FOCUS A LITTLE BETTER.

JOSH COHN: ON THAT, THEN THAT MIGHT BE VERY HELPFUL TO US.

JOSH COHN: THEN CONTINUING IN YOUR NEW TEXT, YOU HAVE A SUB F. AND YOU MENTIONED A FINDING THAT THE PROPOSED USE CONTEMPLATED WILL NOT RESULT IN GREATER IMPACT AND THAT'S TERRIFIC. BUT YOU DON'T. IT DOESN'T SAY WHO FINDS THE FINDING A FINDING BY WHOM.

STEVEN WRABEL: SO ALL SPECIAL PERMIT CRITERIA WOULD REALLY BE FINDINGS BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION JOSH COHN: OKAY, SO IF YOU SAY THAT I THINK THAT THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT YOU REFER TO ADJOINING RESIDENTS DISTRICTS AND A QUESTION IS IS IS RESIDENT DISTRICT, A TERM IN OUR IN IN IN OUR CODE IS IT REFERRING TO SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR THAT THAT WE ALL MIGHT UNDERSTAND BETTER STEVEN WRABEL: YES, YOUR CODE IS ESSENTIALLY A SPLIT MORE OR LESS THAN CHRISTIAN IF YOU DISAGREE WITH WHAT I'M SAYING. FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN. BUT THERE'S CATEGORIES OF STEVEN WRABEL: ZONING DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL OR, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL AND THE PROPERTIES THAT ISSUE HERE ARE BOUNDED IN PART BY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. THAT'S REALLY THE CONDOMINIUMS, AS WELL AS BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL AS YOU GO FURTHER OUT MIDLAND AVENUE.

JOSH COHN: SO SO SO RIGHT COLUMN K THEN CHRISTIAN IS IS JOSH COHN: THAT'S A RESIDENCE DISTRICT.

YES.

JOSH COHN: AND AND THE GABLES AND THEN UP THE HILL KIRBY LANE NORTH LOUDON WOODS CHRISTIAN MILLER, CITY PLANNER: ALL THOSE ENCOUNTERS ARE YOU HAVE BOTH SINGLE AND MULTI FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICTS, BUT THEY ARE RESIDENCE DISTRICTS AND THEY'RE LISTED IN THE CODE.

JOSH COHN: OKAY AND AND THEN JI SAYS THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOW DESCRIBE JOSH COHN: NOW ANY PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION. I ASSUME CHRISTIAN WOULD WOULD ONLY BE IF JOSH COHN: OR WOULD BE ACCOMPANIED BY PUBLIC NOTICE, PARTICULARLY, I'D BE PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESIDENTS DISTRICTS JOSH COHN: THERE, THERE WOULD BE PUBLIC NOTICE CHRISTIAN MILLER, CITY PLANNER: YES.

JOSH COHN: AND IS THAT IN THE FORM OF THE SIGN ON THE PROPERTY OR HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN.

CHRISTIAN MILLER, CITY PLANNER: IT'S FOR SITE PLANNING BE SIGNAGE AND MAILING JOSH COHN: OKAY.

CHRISTIAN MILLER, CITY PLANNER: 300 FEET OF NOTICE JOSH COHN: OKAY, SO TO THE EXTENT APPROPRIATE ANY ANY CHANGES IN FINISHING OR ASSEMBLING THAT WHERE THERE'S PARALLEL LANGUAGE IN TESTING OR PRODUCTS.

JOSH COHN: THEN THOSE WOULD BE APPRECIATED AND THEN THE, THE LAST THING THAT THAT I'D RAISED BEFORE IN INVITING MY COLLEAGUES TO JUMP IN, IS THAT, WITH REGARD TO SELF STORAGE. I FELT WE HAD AN UNDERSTANDING THAT SIGNAGE WAS GOING TO FACE THE HIGHWAY.

JOSH COHN: EXCEPT FOR A DISCRETE SIGN AT THE MIDDLE AND ENTRANCE JOSH COHN: AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT PETER DUNCAN HAD SHARED WITH ME AND PETER DUNCAN: THAT'S CORRECT.

PETER DUNCAN: THAT'S PETER DUNCAN. THAT'S CORRECT.

JOSH COHN: THANK YOU, PETER.

JULIE SOUZA: SO THAT MEANS JUST UPDATING FOR A TO NOT JUST COMPLY, BUT THEN THAT ADDITIONAL STIPULATION, JOSH.

JOSH COHN: YES. OKAY.

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SARA GODDARD: I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS. IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE DONE.

JOSH COHN: MANUALLY PLEASE GO AHEAD.

SARA GODDARD: JUST A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATION MONTHS AND THEN ONE SORT OF GENERAL QUESTION. THE FIRST IS ON AND I DID WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING ALL OF OUR CONSIDERATIONS FROM THE LAST MEETING.

SARA GODDARD: AND INCORPORATING THEM. SO I THINK THIS IS A IS A BIG IMPROVEMENT, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. SO THANK YOU. I'M JUST ON THE TRUCK TRAFFIC OF WHAT I HAD READ SARA GODDARD: IN YOUR. MAYBE IT WAS YOUR LETTER WAS THAT IT WOULD BE THE TRUCKS.

SARA GODDARD: WOULD ONLY USE THE ENTRANCE ON THE STATE OR COUNTY ROAD FOR PRODUCT TESTING AND PRODUCT FINISHING ASSEMBLY USES. SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU'RE THAT THOSE TRUCKS WILL USE THE STATE OR COUNTY, BUT OTHER TRUCKS COULD USE THE PACK OR IS IT ALL TRUCKS, GIVEN THE FIVE TON RESTRICTION PETER DUNCAN: IT'S FINE. IT'S ALL TRUCKS.

SARA GODDARD: GOT IT. OKAY, THAT'S IT. THAT WAS SORT OF WHAT I ASSUMED, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

SARA GODDARD: LET'S SEE. AND THEN, THIS MAY BE MY LACK OF LEGAL BACKGROUND BUT UNDER THE CHEMICAL STORAGE YOU SAY IT'S GENERALLY PROHIBITED. AND THAT MIGHT JUST BE THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SARA GODDARD: THE LEGALESE BUT DOES THAT MEAN SORT OF TYPICALLY PROHIBITED OR DOES IT MEAN COMPLETELY PROHIBITED THAT WE'RE GENERALLY STEVEN WRABEL: SO THE INTENTION, THERE IS REALLY TO BE MORE ALL ENCOMPASSING. SO THOSE CHEMICALS IN GENERAL, SHALL BE PROHIBITED.

STEVEN WRABEL: AND THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN I BELIEVE THE PLANNING CONDITION CAN MAKE A FINDING. TO THE CONTRARY, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE ONUS WOULD BE ON THE APPLICANT TO SHOW THAT ANY ANY CHEMICALS WOULD OTHERWISE BE PERMITTED ON THE PROPERTY.

STEVEN WRABEL: OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU.

SARA GODDARD: AND THEN LASTLY, THIS IS MORE, MAYBE THIS IS MORE OF A PLANNING COMMISSION SARA GODDARD: QUESTION, BUT SO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO EXPAND THE THE USES SARA GODDARD: YOU KNOW, TO ATTRACT TENANTS, BUT THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE SORT OF A RESTRICTION ON THE PROPORTION OF THOSE USES SO YOU COULD SARA GODDARD: IF I'M READING IT CORRECTLY, YOU COULD HAVE 100% DAYCARE. YOU COULD HAVE 100% FINISHING ASSEMBLY AND OPERATIONS. YOU COULD HAVE 20% FINISHING AND ASSEMBLY AND 80%. SO JUST IN TERMS AND THIS COULD HAPPEN OVER TIME.

SARA GODDARD: SO THAT WOULD MAKE THE FLAVOR OF THE BUILDING VERY DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THOSE PROPORTIONS. AND I'M JUST WONDERING HOW DO WE PROVIDE SARA GODDARD: I GUESS COMFORT TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY, IT'S A HUGE UNKNOWN IF IF IT'S ALL FINISHING AND ASSEMBLY. IT'S A VERY, VERY DIFFERENT BEAST THAN IF IT'S JUST 10% FINISHING ASSEMBLY AND YOU KNOW 80% DAYCARE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR OR AND 10% MEDICAL SO I SARA GODDARD: I DID. I GUESS I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A HUGE SARA GODDARD: EXPANSION OF THE PERMITTED USES. WE NOW HAVE FOUR TO FIVE USES THAT ARE BEING ACCORDED TO THIS PROPERTY. NOW IN THE PROPORTIONS.

STEVEN WRABEL: YEAH, SO, SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AND THERE IS I WOULD CABIN. THERE'S ONLY ONE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE. YOU JUST MENTIONED, WHICH IS THAT THERE IS A LIMITATION ON SELF STORAGE WHICH CANNOT BE MORE THAN TWO THIRDS OF THE USABLE FOR SARA GODDARD: OH, THAT'S RIGHT. YES, SIR.

STEVEN WRABEL: BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU'RE RIGHT. IN THEORY, THE BUILDING COULD BE GUTTED AND THE, YOU KNOW, SERVER SPACE THAT WAS FORMERLY THE AVON WAREHOUSE COULD BE CONVERTED TO OFFICE OR THEORETICALLY THE OFFICE COULD BE CONVERTED TO ASSEMBLIES OF SOME KIND.

JULIE SOUZA: BIGGEST LIKE NURSERY SCHOOL, SARAH.

SARA GODDARD: MARIE WENT CRAZY, WHICH COULD BE TERRIFIC. WHO KNOWS, OR, OR THEY MIGHT BE JULIE SOUZA: AGAINST IT WAS MORE OF A NUISANCE.

THAN JULIE SOUZA: IT WOULD BE A HARDSHIP FOR JULIE SOUZA: ME, PERSONALLY.

CHRISTIAN MILLER, CITY PLANNER: I THINK ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WAS ALSO ADDRESSED IS THE FACT THAT TYPICALLY AS IS COMMON IN MOST OF THE CITY'S ZONING CODE AND IN MANY ZONING CODES IS THAT IT'S ONE PROPERTY ONE USE CHRISTIAN MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND THIS LEGISLATION DOESN'T MANDATE THAT REQUIREMENT. SO BY ITS NATURE, IT'S SORT OF DEFIES SORT OF THAT CONVENTION. OBVIOUSLY YOU ALLOW MIXED USE IN PLACES LIKE DOWNTOWN ENVIRONMENTS, BUT A TRADITIONAL OFFICE BUILDING DISTRICT. IT'S ONE USE ONE PROPERTY.

CHRISTIAN MILLER, CITY PLANNER: THIS ALLOWS FOR MULTIPLE YEARS. SO AT LEAST CREATES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT MIXING TO REDUCE SOME OF THOSE PEAKS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

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CHRISTIAN MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND WE COULD HAVE CONVERSATIONS ALL NIGHT ABOUT WHICH USE WOULD HAVE MORE IMPACT AND IN WHAT AREAS THAT MIGHT HELP IN SOME AREAS, BUT HURTING OTHERS.

CHRISTIAN MILLER, CITY PLANNER: BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DONE SO THAT YOU WOULD AT LEAST HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

STEVEN WRABEL: TO HAVE THAT MIX. AND THAT, THAT'S RIGHT, CHRISTIAN, AND THAT WAS CERTAINLY THE INTENTION, BUT REALLY WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO, I THINK, IN OUR LINE AND STEVEN WRABEL: COUNCILMAN GODDARD. I THINK IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, THE CONCERN IS, WELL, IF IT'S ALL ONE USE OR IF IT'S 50 AND 50 OR 80 AND 20. HOW DO WE REGULATE THE IMPACTS HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THOSE NEIGHBORS BE THEIR RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, WHAT HAVE YOU ARE PROPERLY PROTECTED FROM STEVEN WRABEL: WHO KNOWS WHAT THE IMPACT MIGHT BE. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO BOTH WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN ON THESE REVISIONS THAT WE'VE COME BACK TO YOU IS STEVEN WRABEL: WHAT TOOLS ARE WE PROVIDING THE CITY TO GUARANTEE THAT THERE'S PROPER OVERSIGHT. WHEN ONE OF THESE TENANTS COMES TO YOU FOR SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL PERMIT APPROVAL.

STEVEN WRABEL: AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE AS YOU LOOK THROUGH THE LAW, BOTH EXISTING AND PROPOSED IS THAT THERE'S A NUMBER OF RESTRICTIONS ON IMPACTS AND WE'VE EVEN SAID THAT FOR SOME OF THESE MORE STEVEN WRABEL: UNUSUAL USES TO THIS DISTRICT. SOME OF THESE NEWER IDEAS LIKE ASSEMBLY OR TESTING. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS THE PLANNING COMMISSION DURING SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

STEVEN WRABEL: AS HAS THE PROPER TOOLS TO REALLY MITIGATE IMPACTS. AND SO WE'VE SAID YOU CAN'T BE MORE IMPACTFUL THAN WHAT'S ALREADY PERMITTED IN AN OFFICE USE STEVEN WRABEL: IF YOU'RE MORE IMPACTFUL THAN THE OFFICE USE YOU DON'T MEET THE STANDARDS AND THEREFORE, YOU CAN'T BE GIVEN AN APPROVAL.

STEVEN WRABEL: SO THE ONUS HAS TO BE ON THE APPLICANT TO COME IN WITH WHATEVER STUDIES THE PLANNING COMMISSION DEEMS APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHO THE TENANT IS AND THEY HAVE TO BOOT. THEY HAVE TO PROVE THAT OUT. SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE IT IS. I THINK THE ISSUE IS LESS STEVEN WRABEL: SHOULD WE PUT A LIMITATION ON PERCENTAGE OF USES AND MORE CAN WE ENSURE THAT THERE'S PROPER MITIGATION AND PROPER TOOLS FOR THE CITY TO ENFORCE THAT MITIGATION SO THAT REGARDLESS OF THE BREAKDOWN STEVEN WRABEL: THERE'S NO UNFORTUNATE MY PRODUCTS OR UNDO IMPACTS.

SARA GODDARD: YEAH, AND I HEAR YOU ON THAT. THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. I GUESS I WOULD TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER AND SAY THAT COLLECTIVELY. SO IF YOU DO HAVE THAT MULTI USE SETUP.

SARA GODDARD: IN IN THE PROPERTY THAT COLLECTIVELY, IT WOULD NOT IMPACT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS ANYMORE THAN SARA GODDARD: IT CURRENTLY IMPACTS IT AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY WHEN I THINK FROM THE PERSPECTIVE SARA GODDARD: OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THEY THE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT. THEY'RE THE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT THE UNKNOWN. AND BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WILL BE SUBJECT TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES IN VARIOUS DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS SARA GODDARD: YOU KNOW, IF I LIVED IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. THAT WOULD BE MY BIGGEST CONCERN. SO THAT CONCEPT OF COLLECTIVELY, NO MATTER WHAT GOES IN THERE EVER FOR THE FUTURE.

SARA GODDARD: IT WILL NOT HAVE ANY MORE IMPACT THAN IT CURRENTLY HAS JOSH COHN: I THINK THAT'S VERY HELPFUL CONCEPT.

STEVEN WRABEL: OR THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ABSOLUTELY TAKE A LOOK AT HOPEFULLY MORE THAN A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN CURRENT WHICH IS NAKED.

SARA GODDARD: YES, I'M SAYING BEFORE, YES.

JOSH COHN: DO TO OTHERS HAVE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

JULIE SOUZA: I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ECHO THE COMMENTS THAT SARAH MADE AT THE TOP OF THIS JUST THANKING YOU FOR INCORPORATING THIS FEEDBACK.

JULIE SOUZA: I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD VERY CLOSE TO THIS. AND SO I'M CONCERNED FOR ALL RESIDENTS HAVE ARRIVED, BUT I'M ALSO ONE THAT'S JULIE SOUZA: POTENTIALLY IMPACTED HERE AND I'M GOING TO SAY THIS, I WOULD RATHER SEE THIS BUILDING BE PUT TO USE IN GOOD USE THAN TO SIT BAKE BAKE IT. I THINK HAVING A LARGE BUILDING SITTING THERE.

JULIE SOUZA: NOT BEING VIBRANT IS SAD.

JULIE SOUZA: SO I'M GIVEN THE THE JULIE SOUZA: SORT OF VERY RESPONSIVE NATURE OF THIS CONVERSATION, AND THE ONE PROCEEDING. AND I'M OPTIMISTIC AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND IF WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THE POINTS THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE RAISED, I FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT THIS AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT PROPERTY PUT TO GOOD USE.

JOSH COHN: OTHERS.

PAM TARLOW: YES, I HAVE A QUESTION, IF I MAY, MERE UM THIS IS A DISCRETIONARY ACTION AND GENERALLY WHEN WE DO ZONING, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE THAT'S THE STANDARD UNDER THE LAW.

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PAM TARLOW: THE HIGHEST TAX BASE AS I KNOW IT WOULD BE LEAVING IT COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND WHERE IT IS AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LOWERING THAT USE AND PAM TARLOW: BEST THE TAX BASE. CAN YOU TELL ME, AND THAT WILL AFFECT THE REST OF THE TAXPAYERS IN THE IN IN THE CITY BECAUSE THERE WILL, THEY WILL GO UP IF YOURS COMES DOWN.

PAM TARLOW: THEIR TAXES. SO COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU DID TO MARKET THIS PROPERTY SINCE YOU'VE PURCHASED IT AT ITS HIGHEST AND BEST USE, WHICH IS THE PROFESSIONAL THAT IS CURRENTLY EXISTING STEVEN WRABEL: SO I'LL DEFER TO PETER DUNCAN, AS FAR AS MARKETING, BUT STEVEN WRABEL: AND, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO WHAT PETER SAYS, AS THE REAL ESTATE EXPERT AND OWNER OF THE SITE.

YOU KNOW, I MIGHT STEVEN WRABEL: DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT AS TO HIGHEST AND BEST EVEN THAT IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR SOME TIME NOW, AND GIVEN THE STATE OF OFFICE USE WESTCHESTER COUNTY GENERALLY STEVEN WRABEL: AND CERTAINLY WE HAVE YOU KNOW AARON WARNER, WHO IS OUR PLANNING CONSULTANT ON AND I'M SURE HE CAN SPEAK TO OFFICE USES THE COUNTY STEVEN WRABEL: BUT TYPICALLY SPEAKING FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THE MORE VIABLE, THIS BECOMES FROM THE MARKETABILITY STANDPOINT AND THE SOONER YOU CAN GET TENANTS OF ANY KIND IN STEVEN WRABEL: IT IMPROVES THE TAX VALUE OVER, YOU KNOW, A VACANT PROPERTY THAT'S JUST SITTING THERE. SO PETER I'LL DEFER TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO WHAT'S BEEN DONE AS FAR AS MARKETING AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR PLANNING CONSULTANT. I'M SURE IT WILL BE HAPPY TO JUMP IN AS WELL.

PETER DUNCAN: SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A PETER DUNCAN: INTERESTING QUESTION. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE THE TAXES ARE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH SEARCH ALREADY ARE GOING DOWN.

PETER DUNCAN: AND BECAUSE THERE'S NO INCOME COMING OUT OF THIS PROPERTY SO. SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A PETER DUNCAN: YOU KNOW, A PROPERTY THAT'S VIBRANT THAT HAS A PRODUCES A BOTTOM LINE THAT CAN AFFORD YOU KNOW TO PAY REAL ESTATE TAXES AND MORE REAL ESTATE TAXES SO INTO THAT SCORE. I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, REALLY SURE YOUR HIGHEST AND BEST USE. I MEAN, MOST OF THESE, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THESE REQUESTS ARE PETER DUNCAN: READ IN CONJUNCTION WITH. IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OFFICE TENDENCIES, BECAUSE WE DO BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OFFICE TENDENCIES, THESE ARE MOST OF THESE REQUESTS ARE REALLY ANCILLARY TO OFFICE AND YOU KNOW ARE ACTUALLY NOT THAT PETER DUNCAN: ABNORMAL IN IN OTHER SITUATIONS. I MEAN IT'S IT'S MOST OF THE REQUESTS ARE TANTAMOUNT TO PETER DUNCAN: A MODEL SHOP IN AN IN AN ARCHITECT'S OFFICE. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT, YES, IT COULD BE ALL ASSEMBLY COULD ALSO ALL BE MEDICAL OFFICE AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK THAT ALL MEDICAL OFFICE WOULD NOT BE PETER DUNCAN: WOULD NOT BE A BAD THING. SO I'M IF ANYTHING, WE'RE DOING IS TRYING TO CREATE AN ASSET THAT PETER DUNCAN: CAN MEET THE PROSPECTIVE TENANTS NEEDS. AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DO TO FILL THE BUILDING. AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN INTERESTING BUILDING. I DON'T. LET'S PETER DUNCAN: CALL IT WHAT IT IS, FOR WHATEVER REASON, AVON GAVE UP ITS WAREHOUSE AND STORAGE WHICH THEY HAD THIS WAS A LARGE WAREHOUSE ATTACHED TO AN OFFICE.

PETER DUNCAN: YOU KNOW, A TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDING AT ONE POINT IN TIME. AND THEN SLOWLY BUT SURELY THEY CONVERTED ALL THE OFFICE AND AT ONE POINT IN TIME, I THINK, AS WE'RE ALL WELL AWARE THEY HAD THESE GREAT GRANDIOSE PLANS OF BUILDING SIGNIFICANTLY MORE OFFICE SPACE THERE SO PETER DUNCAN: ALL THESE USES THAT WERE CONTEMPLATING ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE IN THE MARKET RIGHT NOW THERE'S DEMAND FOR THEM AND SUCH. AND WHAT ARE WE DOING THE MARKET. WE'RE TALKING TO A NUMBER OF TENANTS.

PETER DUNCAN: AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO. AND WE TALKED TO TENANTS ALL DAY LONG. SO I'M NOT, I'M PETER DUNCAN: NOT TRYING 100% PETER DUNCAN: UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS PAM TARLOW: OKAY, LET ME LET ME GO BACK.

PAM TARLOW: YOU'VE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2017 KNOWING WHAT THE ZONING WAS ON THE PROPERTY AT THAT TIME.

PETER DUNCAN: WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN PAM TARLOW: 2019 2019 OKAY AND I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. AND WHAT I'D LIKE THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND. I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE AN OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T PAM TARLOW: HAVE IN MY HEAD, WHETHER I SHOULD VOTE FOR THIS OR NOT. SO IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT. WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS GET TO THE HEART OF THE ISSUE, WHICH IS WHEN WE GO IN AND WE DO THESE ZONING AMENDMENTS ONE, ARE PAM TARLOW: WE AS A CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT NOT JUST THE DETAIL OF THE PLAN THAT YOU PRESENT TO US, BUT SOMETHING EVEN MORE THAN THAT, THE BIGGEST PICTURE, WHICH IS

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PAM TARLOW: WHY WE'RE EVEN HEARING THE ITEM, AND I WASN'T HERE AT THE LAST MEETING YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION ALREADY. BUT WHAT I'D LIKE PAM TARLOW: THE PUBLIC TO KNOW IS THAT YOU WHEN YOU PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY YOU TRIED TO MARKET THIS PROPERTY IF IT'S TRUE YOU TRIED TO MARKET THIS PROPERTY IN ITS CURRENT ZONING AND THAT YOU FOUND BASED ON THE ECONOMY THAT THAT ZONING WASN'T PAM TARLOW: ACCEPTABLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TERM TO USE HERE BUT WASN'T WASN'T GOING TO FILL THE BUILDING AS YOU NEEDED IT TO BE FILLED AND THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

PAM TARLOW: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAME INTO THE BUILDING THINKING YOU WERE GOING TO CHANGE IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE THINKING WAS IN GOING INTO THIS WHOLE PROCESS DOES JOSH COHN: THIS SOME OF THIS WAS WAS WAS COVERED IN IN THE JOSH COHN: PRIOR MEETING. AND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND REPEATING WHAT YOU TOLD US ABOUT OFFICE USE IN WESTCHESTER, ETC. THAT MAY BE HELPFUL.

PETER DUNCAN: WELL, SO WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE COURSE OF TIME AND IN WESTCHESTER PETER DUNCAN: IS THAT YOU KNOW A LOT OF PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN A LOT OF OFFICE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO DIFFERENT USES. THERE WAS PETER DUNCAN: 10 YEARS AGO. THERE'S PROBABLY 32 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE IN WESTCHESTER, NOW IT'S DOWN TO 26 AND WHAT'S HAPPENED PETER DUNCAN: IS THAT BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN CONVERTED TO RESIDENTIAL THEY'VE BEEN CONVERTED TO MEDICAL OFFICE.

PETER DUNCAN: THEY HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN FOR A WEGMANS OR A LIFETIME FITNESS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DEMAND FOR JUST STRAIGHT OFFICE IS NOT AT THE LEVEL THAT IT THAT IT ONCE WAS.

PETER DUNCAN: AND SO WHAT WE DO SEE THE OUR DEMANDS OUT THERE THAT ARE SOMETIMES A MIXTURE OF. WE DO KNOW THAT THERE'S A VERY STRONG DEMAND FOR FOR SELF STORAGE. SO THAT'S WHY WE SUGGEST THAT THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THOSE PETER DUNCAN: UM, AND WE DO SEE THAT THERE'S DEMANDS FOR OFFICE, BUT NOT YOU KNOW WITHOUT THE RESTRICTIONS THAT IT'S 100% OFFICE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MEET AND AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S PETER DUNCAN: POTENTIAL DEMANDS FOR MEDICAL OFFICE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT OUR REQUESTS. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO COVER THOSE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE COME ACROSS PETER DUNCAN: SINCE WE'VE ACQUIRED THE ASSET. NOW WE YOU KNOW WE WENT INTO THIS KIND OF THINKING THAT THIS WOULD BE THE CASE.

PETER DUNCAN: YOU KNOW, BASED UPON OUR OTHER EXPERIENCED WESTCHESTER, I'M IN, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THESE USES THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING PETER DUNCAN: OUR EVERYDAY USES THAT ARE GOING ON IN OFFICE, YOU KNOW, OFFICE PARKS AND OTHER COMMUNITIES LIKE RYE, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT WESTCHESTER RIGHT NOW. I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SUGGESTING, OR ARE EXTRAORDINARY.

JULIE SOUZA: HIGH SCHOOL, BUT I JUST FOR CLARIFICATION FOR MYSELF ON THIS IS ME. THIS IS PART OF IT.

JULIE SOUZA: THE REVENUE AS A FIDUCIARY WHAT YOU'RE POINTING OUT THAT RESPONSIBILITY, PAM. WE ALL HAVE RIGHT AS A FIDUCIARY FOR THIS CITY WE, YOU KNOW, JULIE SOUZA: WE WANT CRASSLY TO MAKE AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND OFF THE PROPERTY RIGHT INTO IT. AND THAT IS THAT IS THE SOLE MECHANISM FOR THAT IS PROPERTY TAX, RIGHT. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE MAKING ANY OTHER REVENUE OFF OF THAT BUILDING, OTHER THAN PROPERTY TAX SO JULIE SOUZA: IT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IF I IF I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH THIS IN MY MIND, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS IF IT'S IN USE AND IT'S VIBRANT AND IT'S ATTRACTIVE, THEN JULIE SOUZA: YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT USEFUL. THEN, AS PETER, PETER, I BELIEVE IT WAS YOU WHO MENTIONED THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PETITION TO GET YOUR TAXES REDUCED BECAUSE IT'S A DEFUNCT BUILDING THAT'S NOT IN USE, AND THEREFORE JULIE SOUZA: THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY DECLINES, AND WE GET LESS IN TERMS OF PROPERTY TAX SO JULIE SOUZA: MY MIND IF I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS WRONG I FEELS VERY BINARY TO ME, WHICH IS LIKE IF IT'S USED IN IN DEMAND AND VIBRANT, THEN JULIE SOUZA: THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY VALUE IS STRONG AND THE PROPERTY TAXES. YOU CAN JUSTIFY JULIE SOUZA: BUT, YOU KNOW, A HEALTHY PROPERTY TAX, RIGHT, IF IT'S LANGUISHING THEN THERE'S MORE OF AN ARGUMENT FOR ARGUING TO LOWER YOUR TAXES IS THAT THAT'S THAT'S THE ONLY THING RIGHT IS PROPERTY TAX VALUE IN TERMS OF OUR FIDUCIARY IMPACT OR JULIE SOUZA: THE FISCAL IMPACT IN OUR ROLE AS A FIDUCIARY PAM TARLOW: AND MY, I DON'T SEE IT AS BINARY, I SEE IT IS SORT OF A BALANCING TEST AND I NEED TO BE TILTED OVER AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE AN EASY THING TO DO.

PAM TARLOW: BUT I NEED THEM TO SAY THE THINGS THAT WILL MAKE ME TILT THAT WAY BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGEST TAX, PROPERTY TAX PROPERTIES IN THE CITY.

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PAM TARLOW: AND WHEN WE CHANGE ITS VALUE. LET'S SAY ITS VALUE IS $1 NOW AND IT BECOMES A 90 CENT VALUE THAT 10 CENT DIFFERENCE THEN GETS DISTRIBUTED ON THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE CITY.

PAM TARLOW: I AM FINE WITH THAT. IF I SEE AN OFFSET OF SALES TAX. IF I SEE AN OFFSET OF VIBRANCY AS YOU CALL IT, BUT I FIND I THINK THIS IS ALMOST A COMPLETE ECONOMIC DECISION FOR ME BECAUSE PAM TARLOW: I DON'T, I PAM TARLOW: I DON'T I DON'T I DON'T I GUESS I'M NOT REALLY SURE I WASN'T PART OF THE COUNCIL THAT MADE THE DECISION TO HEAR THIS ITEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

PAM TARLOW: AND I AM NOT REALLY CERTAIN WHAT THE CRITERIA WE ARE LOOKING AT AS A COUNCIL TO DETERMINE WHAT IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE PARCELS SO PAM TARLOW: FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I JUST NEED SOMEBODY TO TELL ME OVER IN THAT DIRECTION. AND MAYBE THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL DO THAT I'LL HEAR PEOPLE AND PAM TARLOW: EVENTUALLY I'LL HEAR SOMETHING THAT WILL MAKE ME CLICK AND GO OKAY, WOW, THIS IS GREAT, BUT RIGHT NOW I'M PRETTY INDIFFERENT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT PAM TARLOW: HOW TO HOW TO DO THAT FOR MYSELF AND I'M JUST DELIBERATING OUT LOUD WITH YOU ALL, AND ASK THE QUESTION, BECAUSE I THOUGHT MAYBE HE'D HAVE AN ANSWER FOR ME. I'M NOT. I DON'T FIND IT A BINARY ISSUE SO PETER DUNCAN: SO, SO THE PROPERTIES LANGUISHING RIGHT NOW AND IT'S NOT A BECAUSE WE'RE YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT SO IT HAS ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY TO MEET THE DEMAND THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE MARKETPLACE. AND SO THAT'S THE REQUESTS THAT WE'VE THAT WE'VE MADE.

PETER DUNCAN: TO GIVE US THAT SORT OF FLEXIBILITY SO IT'S LESS HEADS, IT'S NOT PETER DUNCAN: IT'S NOT BINARY. IT'S ON ANYTHING. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS IS TO MAKE THIS A HEALTHY PRODUCING PROPERTY FOR THE COMMUNITY AND I THINK PETER DUNCAN: YOU KNOW, WITH THE LIGHTS ON IS BETTER THAN WITH THE LIGHTS OFF.

JOSH COHN: A PETER. PETER DUNK. AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU WHAT I THINK IS A REAL SOFTBALL QUESTION BUT BUT MAYBE IT, IT GOES TO THE ISSUE. I ASSUME THAT JOSH COHN: IF, IF YOU HAVE A A MENU OF POTENTIAL USES AND AS YOU GO ABOUT MARKETING THE PROPERTY, YOU ARE GOING TO BE ATTEMPTING TO JOSH COHN: RENT THE PROPERTY TO THOSE WHO WILL PAY THE HIGHEST RENT.

JOSH COHN: ABSOLUTELY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE, BUT WOULD THOSE BE FOR INSTANCE OFFICE USERS AS OPPOSED TO SELF STORAGE USERS.

JOSH COHN: ANY INSIGHT.

PETER DUNCAN: SO, SO RIGHT NOW THE YOU KNOW THE TWO LARGE GROUPS THAT WE'RE TALKING TO OUR SUBSTANTIAL OFFICE USERS THAT HAD SOME ANCILLARY USES WHICH THIS ZONING ADDRESSES.

STEVEN WRABEL: SO, PETER DUNCAN: DID I, DID I ANSWER THAT JOSH, I'M SORRY.

JOSH COHN: I THINK YOU YOU YOU DID TO TO MY SATISFACTION.

JOSH COHN: I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPED IT ALL WITH PAM'S QUESTION.

PAM TARLOW: IT IS I, I DO HAVE ANOTHER ONE. WHAT WOULD YOU LET'S SAY THAT YOU GET THIS APPROVED JANUARY 1 YOU GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU, YOU, DO YOU KNOW YOU GET OUR APPROVAL, YOU GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION'S ALL APPROVED BY JANUARY 1. WHAT IS YOUR POTENTIAL TIMEFRAME.

PAM TARLOW: THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE OCCUPANCY OF I MEAN I KNOW WE'RE EXTRAPOLATING QUITE A BIT HERE HYPOTHESIZING QUITE A BIT HERE. BUT WHAT WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT. DO YOU THINK YOU COULD HAVE FULL THE BUILDING FULLY OCCUPIED IN A YEAR, TWO YEARS, PETER DUNCAN: WHAT WELL THAT'S A, IT WOULD BE OUR GOAL TO HAVE IT WITHIN YOU KNOW WITHIN PETER DUNCAN: I THINK THE REALITY IS, IT'LL PROBABLY GO INTO PETER DUNCAN: BUT THAT IS OUR HOPE. YES.

PAM TARLOW: AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS WE HAVE A BUNCH OF RESIDENTS THAT LIVE OVER THERE AND AS JULIE AND I BOTH WOULD ATTEST TO WE BOTH DON'T LIVE TOO FAR AWAY.

PAM TARLOW: AND MY QUESTION IS THAT AS PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS, WILL YOU, AND THIS IS A SOFTBALL TO, BY THE WAY.

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PAM TARLOW: WILL YOU HAVE MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND TRY TO WORK WITH THEM TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS PAM TARLOW: THAT THERE'S A COOPERATIVE COMMUNITY FEELING. AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS CAUSING THE PROBLEM, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE ARE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, PUT IT IN, BUT YOU WILL TRY TO WORK, YOU KNOW, WORK THOSE THINGS OUT WITH THEM.

PETER DUNCAN: SO, PETER DUNCAN: THE COMPANY THAT I RUN PETER DUNCAN: HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR OVER 100 YEARS AND WE'RE IN BUSINESS FOR THAT LONG, BECAUSE WE WORK WITH OUR TENANTS AND WE WORK WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.

PETER DUNCAN: I'VE ALSO MY FAMILY'S BEEN IN RISE SINCE 1949 PETER DUNCAN: WE'VE BEEN DRIVING BY THIS PROPERTY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE FOR ALL THOSE YEARS, BUT I'M PETER DUNCAN: WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PROPERTY TO RIGHT PAM TARLOW: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

JOSH COHN: OTHERS.

JULIE SOUZA: QUESTIONS, YOUR COMMENTS. I JUST WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON PAM'S COMMENT TOO BECAUSE JUST FOR THE PUBLIC AGAIN EVEN IF THIS WERE TO BE JULIE SOUZA: THERE IS STILL PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS WHICH IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND EVERYTHING ELSE. RIGHT, SO JULIE SOUZA: SO THIS IS NOT A FAIT ACCOMPLI THERE IS STILL PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY ALONG THE WAY. AND I THINK THAT THAT DIALOGUE THAT PAM'S REQUESTING WOULD WOULD DINETTE WOULD ORGANICALLY COME OUT OF THE PROCESS THAT EXISTS, WHICH IS GOING FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO JUST FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.

JULIE SOUZA: MOVING ON.

JOSH COHN: TO OTHERS HAVE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THEY'D LIKE TO RAISE JOSH COHN: IF NOT, I THINK I'D LIKE TO ASK IF WE MIGHT HAVE A MOTION TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR DECEMBER 2 THAT WILL ALLOW US TO CONTINUE CONSIDERATION OF THIS PETITION.

JOSH COHN: ALONG BOTH THE COUNCIL AND, AND, ALONGSIDE CONSIDERATION BY THE PUBLIC.

JOSH COHN: MAY HAVE A MOTION.

PAM TARLOW: I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

JOSH COHN: MAY HAVE A SECOND SET I PAM TARLOW: JULY 2 JOSH COHN: OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR.

CAROLINA JOHNSON: AYE. AYE.

JULIE SOUZA: THANK YOU.

JOSH COHN: THANK YOU ALL FOR JOSH COHN: COMING THIS EVENING, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS.

CAROLINA JOHNSON: THANK YOU.

PETER DUNCAN: THANK YOU.

KRISTEN WILSON: MR. MARY. DO YOU HAVE A HAND RAISED. AT THIS TIME, I'M NOT SURE.

KRISTEN WILSON: WHY JOSH COHN: DO WE THINK. DO WE, DO WE THINK THIS IS A HAND ON THIS TOPIC ON THE TOPIC WE'VE JUST INCLUDED KRISTEN WILSON: A PLEASE KEEP YOUR HAND UP.

KRISTEN WILSON: IF YOU WANT IT TO. DANIELLE TIGER EPSTEIN. SHE STILL HAS HER HAND RAISED TO MY ASSUMPTION IS, YES, IT WAS ON THIS TOPIC.

JOSH COHN: OH, OKAY. WELL, THEN YES, THROUGH. THREE MINUTES. THREE. THREE MINUTES PLEASE KRISTEN WILSON: OKAY, I HAVE TO GET MY CLOCK READY BUT DANIELLE TAGGER-EPSTEIN: IT'LL BE THREE SECONDS DURING IT.

DANIELLE TAGGER-EPSTEIN: WELL, I WANT TO JUST I KNOW HE'S GONE. BUT I WANTED TO THANK PETER FOR ADDING THE DANIELLE TAGGER-EPSTEIN: THE DAYCARE ON IT. I WASN'T ON THE LAST MEETING, BUT WHEN I THANK YOU NOW THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. JUST ONE.

DANIELLE TAGGER-EPSTEIN: MAYBE SUGGESTION OR ASK DANIELLE TAGGER-EPSTEIN: THE PUBLIC KNOWS THIS BUILDING AND THIS PROPERTY AS THE AVON BUILDING. SO WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE AGENDA ITEM AND SEE IT AS, YOU KNOW, AS ITS ACTUAL PROPERTY ADDRESS, WHICH IS HOW IT SHOULD BE IN THE IN IN THE PUBLIC HEARING DANIELLE TAGGER-EPSTEIN: MY ASK IS THAT YOU PERHAPS PUT IN PARENTHESES, THE AVON BUILDING SO THAT WHEN THE PUBLIC LOOK AND SEE WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA OR SEE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT THEY ACTUALLY CAN MAKE THE CONNECTION OF WHAT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS AND THEY KNOW THE REFERENCE AND THAT'S JUST MY MY ASK JOSH COHN: THANK YOU.

PAM TARLOW: I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE. MAYOR, I WOULD ASK THAT WE HAVE CAROLYN, PUT THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA THAT WAY.

JOSH COHN: OK.

JOSH COHN: SO MOVING ALONG.

JOSH COHN: NOW, GEORGE.

JOSH COHN: I DIDN'T KNOW HOW LONG ANY OF OUR DISCUSSIONS WOULD TAKE. SO GEORGE LATIMER WILL BE WITH US.

JOSH COHN: OF APPROXIMATELY 830 SO I'M GOING TO MOVE TO RESIDENTS MAY BE HEARD.

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JOSH COHN: AND JOSH COHN: ASK CHRISTIAN. DO WE HAVE RESIDENTS WISHING TO BE HEARD.

CHRISTIAN MILLER, CITY PLANNER: SO IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON ANY ITEM.

CHRISTIAN MILLER, CITY PLANNER: PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND, USING THE RAISE HAND FEATURE AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN.

CHRISTIAN MILLER, CITY PLANNER: DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE HAVE ANYBODY JOSH COHN: OKAY.

JOSH COHN: UM, SARA GODDARD: LET'S SEE HERE. CAN I JUST RAISED MY HAND FOR ONE SECOND.

SARA GODDARD: AT JUST A QUESTION. IS THE OSBORN HEARING GOING TO BE ON THE SECOND OF DECEMBER, AS WELL, OR JOSH COHN: I DON'T THINK FIFTH DAY. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'VE INDICATED THAT IS JOSH COHN: THERE, THEY'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK WHEN THEY'RE READY.

SARA GODDARD: OKAY, BECAUSE THAT WOULD JUST SEEM LIKE A VERY, VERY LONG.

KRISTEN WILSON: I CAN PROVIDE SOME UPDATE THEM STEVE RUBELL DID SUBMIT A REQUEST THIS WEEK TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ADJOURNED UNTIL THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY.

KRISTEN WILSON: OKAY, RIGHT NOW IT WAS ADJOURNED UNTIL YOUR FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER. SO AT YOUR NEXT MEETING. WE WILL ADJOURN IT AGAIN UNTIL WHATEVER JANUARY, THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY WILL BE SARA GODDARD: GOT IT.

BEN STACKS: THANK YOU. IT'S JULIE SOUZA: WHAT DOES THAT DATE 666 OKAY YEAH BEN STACKS: PER THE CALENDAR THAT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET.

JULIE SOUZA: LET'S GET TO THAT.

JOSH COHN: OKAY, SO NEXT WE HAVE A RESOLUTION TO WAIVE PARKING RESTRICTIONS AND PARKING FEES AND ALL DOWNTOWN PARKING LOTS, AND PURCHASE STREET FOR THE PERIOD BETWEEN DECEMBER 7 2020 AND DECEMBER 26 2020 AND TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, WE HAVE IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO.

JOSH COHN: TRIED TO HAVE A PARKING FEE HOLIDAY IN THE DOWNTOWN AROUND IT AROUND THE HOLIDAYS. AND THIS YEAR, THE GAP BETWEEN HANUKKAH AND KWANZAA, WHICH IS OUR FULL STRETCH JOSH COHN: IS SOMEWHAT LONGER THAN USUAL. HOWEVER, THIS IS ALSO A YEAR WHEN I THINK PROBABLY ALL OF US FEEL THAT WE AS A CITY WOULD LIKE TO DO ALL WE CAN TO HELP HOLIDAY SHOPPING IN OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

JOSH COHN: I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH GREG ABOUT WHAT THE THEORETICAL COST OF THIS IS A SAFE THEORETICAL BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ACTUAL INFORMATION ON HOW WELL POPULATED OUR LOTS WILL BE IN THIS PANDEMIC HOLIDAY SEASON.

JOSH COHN: WHETHER THEY'RE FREE OR OR OR CHARGED FOR, BUT WE THINK THE COST TO THE CITY IS BETWEEN 18 AND $23,000 JOSH COHN: I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT'S THEN WE'LL LET, LET ME JUST SAY THAT'S ALSO A SOME THAT GREG HAS SAID THAT HE THINKS HE CAN STILL SCRATCH OUT OF THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR OR OR OR FIND A SOURCE.

JOSH COHN: EARLY NEXT YEAR.

JOSH COHN: SO WITH WITH THAT AS BACKGROUND, MY SUGGESTION IS MY GUESS IS THAT AT LEAST MOST OF US WOULD FAVOR PROVIDING THIS PARKING BRAKE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR BUSINESSES IN THE CBD. AND WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT FOR DISCUSSION.

CAROLINA JOHNSON: I THINK IT'S A FABULOUS IDEA.

BEN STACKS: I AGREE, ESPECIALLY THIS YEAR, I THINK.

BEN STACKS: WE TRIED TO DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN FOR EVERYBODY DOWNTOWN JULIE SOUZA: HAPPY HOLIDAYS RIGHT RICHARD MECCA: I HAVE A QUESTION. IS THIS JUST WAVING THE FEES FOR METER PARKING. WHERE ARE WE STILL GOING TO ENFORCE THE LENGTH OF PARKING DOWNTOWN RICHARD MECCA: WHEN YOU SAY A WORD WAVE PARKING RESTRICTIONS AND PARKING FEES ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW PEOPLE APART FROM MORE THAN ONE HOUR ON PURCHASE STREET, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO HELP THE EMERGENCE OF SOMEONE PARKS HERE ALL DAY.

JOSH COHN: I JOSH COHN: DON'T HAVE A VIEW ON WHAT HAVE WE DONE IN IN THE PAST.

RICHARD MECCA: IN THE PAST WE'VE JUST WAVE FEEDING THE METERS. WE HAVE NOT WAVES, THE LENGTH OF TIME BECAUSE YOU'LL GET SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO DO.

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RICHARD MECCA: A JOB TO NEW YORK CITY AND CAN'T PAY UP, KENT STATE AND MUNICIPAL OR THEY CAN PARK ON PURCHASE FREE ALL DAY. UNLESS THIS IS REWRITTEN TO JUST WAVE PARKING FEES AND NOT THE PARKING RESTRICTIONS.

RICHARD MECCA: GUY. IT ALSO CAN AFFECT, FOR EXAMPLE, ANYBODY USING ANY OF THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT ARE NOT MERCHANT BASED BECAUSE THEY COULD PARK ALL DAY AND THEN THESE THOSE LOTS I, IF I REMEMBER IN THE PAST WE'VE ALWAYS RICHARD MECCA: KEPT THE RESTRICTIONS IN THERE BUT WAIVE THE HOUR OR TWO HOURS. I MEAN, YOU COULD PARK IN OUR PURCHASING FOR FREE, BUT WE WOULD BE WAVING THE RICHARD MECCA: WATER TO OUR FEE AT A PARK IN THE MUNICIPAL LOTS OF LEAVES THE MAXIMUM IS TWO HOURS NOW.

RICHARD MECCA: AS CAN RICHARD MECCA: WAIVE THAT FEE BUT NOT HAVE SOMEONE GIVE ME GIVEN A TICKET FOR PARKING THERE ALL DAY.

SARA GODDARD: I HEAR YOU BUT I RICH, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW. HOW DO THEY KEEP TABS ON THE PEOPLE WHO IS PARTICULARLY IN THE PARKING LOT. HOW TO KEEP TABS ON HOW LONG THOSE PEOPLE HAVE PARKED IF THEY'RE NOT RICHARD MECCA: FEEDING WHY THEY RICHARD MECCA: KEEP TABS ON ANYBODY WHO PARKS LONG THEY USED TO MARK TIRES.

RICHARD MECCA: DO RICHARD MECCA: THEY LIVE RICHARD MECCA: BUT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO KNOW HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN THERE, BUT THEY CAN CHECK YOUR REGISTRATION AGAINST THE CURRENT MARKET, THEY CAN MARK TO CURVE. THEY CAN MARK THE STREET.

RICHARD MECCA: IT JUST CAN'T MARK YOUR VEHICLE. I'M SURE THEY HAVE FIGURED OUT A WAY OF FINDING OUT HOW LONG PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PARKING THERE THAT COMPLIES WITH THE LAW. I MEAN, WE CAN ASK THE CONDITIONER. THERE'S NO REASON TO HOLD THIS UP. I JUST THINK WE JUST REMOVE THE WORD RICHARD MECCA: PARKING RESTRICTIONS AND JUST WAVE RICHARD MECCA: PARKING FEES, LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. RIGHT.

JULIE SOUZA: BECAUSE IF THE WHOLE SENTIMENT IS TO GET TURNOVER DOWN THERE AND PEOPLE TRANSACTING THEN YOU KNOW THAT'S ANTITHETICAL TO THAT.

JULIE SOUZA: I DO THINK FOR THAT EARLIER POINT TO SARAH, YOU KNOW THE THE PARKING APP AND STUFF. I THINK SOMETIMES HELPS WITH DETECTING YOU KNOW WHEN PEOPLE ARE EXPIRING, AND IF THEY'RE STILL THERE, BUT JULIE SOUZA: WE DON'T NEED TO GET BOGGED DOWN SO I I WOULD WAIVE THE FEE BUT NOT IN STRIKE THE WORD RESTRICTION FROM THE PROPOSAL.

SARA GODDARD: YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT. I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO BE TOUGH TO GREG USRY: JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS HAS BEEN CONSISTENT WITH THE YEARS PAST, AND THE CEOS CAN SCAN REGISTRATIONS.

GREG USRY: SO THEY ARE ABLE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AND PEOPLE HAVE OVERSTAYED THEIR WELCOME AND THEY HAVE ACTUALLY DONE THAT IN YEARS PAST FOR EXACTLY THE REASON THAT COUNCILMAN MECCA BROUGHT UP.

JOSH COHN: SO. SO GREG, GREG. YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT FIT IN THE PAST, WE DID NOT HAVE THE WORD RESTRICTIONS.

GREG USRY: THAT'S CORRECT.

KRISTEN WILSON: WELL, OKAY, SO I JUST LOOKED AT THE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER QUICKLY OF KRISTEN WILSON: AND THE WORD RESTRICTION IS IN THERE. THIS IS THE, THE RESOLUTION THAT'S PUT BEFORE YOU IS EXACTLY THE WORDING THAT WAS ADOPTED AND IN THE MINUTES AND DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR, HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS ACTUALLY ENFORCED, BUT THAT WAS THE WORDING.

SARA GODDARD: AND IF SARA GODDARD: YOU HAVE THIS DISCUSSION LAST YEAR, WE DID IT. NO.

JULIE SOUZA: NO. SO LET'S JUST CAN STRIKE RESTRICTIONS, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT WAS OUR INTENSE EVER. SO CAN WE JUST MAKE RICHARD MECCA: WE'VE DONE THIS, EVERY HOLIDAY. THIS WILL BE MY SEVENTH ONE, I PROBABLY MISSED THIS LAST YEAR.

RICHARD MECCA: BUT BECAUSE I'VE KNOW WE'VE IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PRIOR YEARS IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE PARKING FEES.

RICHARD MECCA: NOT TOO MUCH, MAYBE YOU COULD JOSH COHN: YOU COULD IT THIS YEAR. THANK YOU.

JULIE SOUZA: SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE WAIVE THE PARKING FEES, NOT THE RESTRICTIONS FOR THE PERIOD INDICATED JULIE SOUZA: AS A HOLIDAY GIFT TO RYE AND HOPEFULLY TO OUR MERCHANTS.

SECOND, JOSH COHN: SO WE NEED A ROLL CALL.

CAROLYN D'ANDREA: COUNCILWOMAN GODDARD.

CAROLYN D'ANDREA: YES, JOHNSON.

CAROLYN D'ANDREA: YES COUNCILMAN MECCA.

CAROLYN D'ANDREA: YES, ALPHA WOMAN SOUZA, CAROLYN D'ANDREA: HELPFUL IN STACKS.

YES.

RICHARD MECCA: HELLO.

PAM TARLOW: YES.

JOSH COHN: THEY ARE CONE. YES.

JOSH COHN: NOW WE HAVE CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO USE THE VILLAGE GREEN JOSH COHN: ON NOVEMBER 28 AND 29 2020 FROM 11AM TO 4PM FOR PUPPET AND SCIENCE SHOWS AS WELL AS THE CHILDREN SINGER ALL EVENTS WILL BE SIGN UP ONLY IN LIMITED TO 50 PEOPLE WITH A NEW EVENT BEGINNING EVERY HOUR MAY HAVE EMOTION.

JULIE SOUZA: LIKE THE EMOTION.

JOSH COHN: SECOND, PLEASE.

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SARA GODDARD: I'LL SECOND.

JOSH COHN: ALL IN FAVOR.

CAROLINA JOHNSON: NOW CAN I, CAN I ASK JULIE TO TELL US WHAT ELSE IS THERE, RIGHT, THAT CHAMBER OF COMMERCE DOING IN IN LIEU OF MISTLETOE.

JULIE SOUZA: YES, ALTHOUGH I'M JUST LOOKING BECAUSE IT IS CHANGING AT THE MINUTE JULIE SOUZA: SO THERE IS GOING TO BE A SCAVENGER HUNT DOWNTOWN. THERE'S ALSO FOR HER KIDS. THERE'S ALSO A SANTA DRIVE BY WHICH IS SORT OF A PARADE ROUTE, IF YOU WILL, TO SEE SANTA.

JULIE SOUZA: AND LET ME SEE IF THERE IS CAROLINA JOHNSON: A DAY. THAT'S THE DAY AFTER THANKSGIVING. THAT'S THE 27TH.

JULIE SOUZA: SO THE 27TH IS LIGHT THE NIGHT SO AT 6PM DOWNTOWN. THE ALL THE MERCHANTS ARE GOING TO TURN ON LIGHTS AND HOLIDAY LIGHTS AND THE CHAMBER HAS BOUGHT YOU KNOW TWINKLE LIGHTS TO PUT ON THAT RYAN AND DP WHO ARE ARE JULIE SOUZA: GENEROUSLY AGREEING TO WIND UP THE LAMP POSTS. SO AT 6PM THERE'S GOING TO BE A LIGHT THE NIGHT ON THE 27TH AND 28TH IS THE SANTA DRIVE BY AND THE 29TH IS THE SCAVENGER HUNT SO JULIE SOUZA: YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE THE DETAILS, LIKE I SAID SOME THINGS ARE MOVING AROUND A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE RIGHT BRIDE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.ORG JULIE SOUZA: IS WHERE YOU CAN FIND THE FULL DETAILS AS THEY'RE UPDATED AND WE WILL START, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL CERTAINLY BE PROMOTING ON SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, I WILL, I WILL FORWARD TO YOU.

JULIE SOUZA: YOU KNOW, ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR ANYTHING THAT DEVIATES FROM WHAT I'VE JUST SAID, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE SPIRIT.

JULIE SOUZA: IN A VERY SOCIALLY DISTANCE WAY.

JULIE SOUZA: THEY MAY EVEN HAVE SOME LIKE SINGERS GOING AROUND TOWN LIKE AND YOU KNOW STROLLING THE STREET.

JULIE SOUZA: TO ADD SOME FESTIVE CHEER BUT JULIE SOUZA: WE'RE TRYING TO HOLD ON TO SOMETHING AND THEY'RE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB SO THANKFUL FOR THE CHAMBER AND ALL THEIR WORK AND FOR RYAN AND GREG'S SUPPORT.

IN ENABLING THEM TO DO SO.

THANK YOU.

JOSH COHN: OKAY, WE MOVE ALONG TO JOSH COHN: RESOLUTION DESIGNATING THE DAYS AND TIMES REGULAR MEETINGS AT THE CITY COUNCIL FOR 2021 SETTING JANUARY 6 2021 IS THE FIRST REGULAR MEETING. WE HAVE ONE CHANGE IN THE CALENDAR, GREG.

GREG USRY: YES, AND FOLLOW IT ON MY CALENDAR IN FRONT OF ME. THE, THE MEDIA SCHEDULE IN FRONT OF YOU, FOR SEPTEMBER 15 AS I LEARNED AS YOUNG BEFORE. SO THAT IS BEING MOVED BACK ONE WEEK TO THE 22ND OF SEPTEMBER.

JOSH COHN: SO MAY, MAY. MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CALENDAR AS PROPOSED WITH THAT CHANGE.

RICHARD MECCA: I'LL MAKE THAT EMOTIONS DINNER.

JOSH COHN: AND HAVE A SECOND JOSH COHN: ALL IN FAVOR.

RICHARD MECCA: AYE. AYE.

JOSH COHN: SO GEORGE IS NOT AVAILABLE UNTIL EIGHT WHICH IS ABOUT HALF AN HOUR FROM NOW. SO I'M GOING TO, I THINK, INVITE HIM TO JOIN US NEXT TIME BECAUSE I'M JOSH COHN: EXPECTING THAT IS OUR USUAL JOSH COHN: OKAY SO BUSINESS NEW BUSINESS WILL WILL BE WILL BE BRIEF.

JOSH COHN: WITH THAT OLD BUSINESS NEW BUSINESS.

GREG USRY: MR. MAYOR. IF I CAN JUST MAKE THIS ONE REMINDER THAT PURCHASE STREET WILL REOPEN ON TUESDAY, DECEMBER 1 GREG USRY: WE'RE WORKING WITH THE RESTAURANTS NOW AND THAT CONVERSION IS GOING TO START HAPPENING AT THE END OF THAT LAST WEEKEND IN NOVEMBER. SO THE MERCHANT, THE RESTAURANTS WILL BE MOVING OFF THE STRAIGHT ON MONDAY, THE END OF NOVEMBER, AND THEN WILL REOPEN ON THE FIRST JOSH COHN: OKAY.

JULIE SOUZA: ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THE RESTAURANTS. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO SORT OF MODIFIED SETUPS, IF YOU WILL, RIGHT, TO CONTINUE SOME OUTDOOR SEATING. I THINK WE'RE FAIRLY SORT OF WORKS THERE WHERE IT IS, HOW HAVE ANY IF YOU HAVE ANY TAKERS.

GREG USRY: YES, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH.

GREG USRY: OCO GREG USRY: AURORA VILLAGE, SOCIAL, AND WE BELIEVE BEAR BURDEN AND THEY WILL ALL BE OPEN THE MODIFIED GREG USRY: AS FAR AS WE KNOW, AND THAT'S BASICALLY THE REASON WHY WE'RE GOING TO NEED A COUPLE OF DAYS OF TRANSITION, BUT THEY WILL BE ALL OF THEM HAVE TO EXIT.

GREG USRY: ON THAT MONDAY, AND THEN WE'LL BEGIN THE TRANSITION ON TUESDAY, BUT THE STREET WILL BE OPEN ON TUESDAY, AND WE BEGIN MAKING THE MODIFICATIONS, AS THEY SET THEIR ATTENTION.

JULIE SOUZA: AND WHAT ABOUT SECOND STREET WITH TOWN, DOC.

GREG USRY: THAT'S THAT STAYING CLOSE AS PER THE, THE COUNCIL ACTION RIGHT JUST

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JULIE SOUZA: JUST TO REITERATE, CAROLINA JOHNSON: OKAY, THANK YOU. ONE QUESTION WHEN PURCHASE STREET OPENS. IS IT OPEN BOTH WAYS, OR IS IT. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO GO ONE WAY, JUST IF YOU HAVE ALL THESE IMPAIRMENTS WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING AND YOU AND YOU HAVE ALL THESE VISUAL IMPAIRMENTS.

GREG USRY: IT'S IT'S IT'S CURRENTLY SLATED IN THIS WAS THE COUNCIL ACTION TO OPEN IN EXACTLY ITS ORIGINAL FORMAT. SO ALL OF THE IT'LL BE TWO WAYS WE ARE BUILDING SIDEWALKS TEMPORARY SIDEWALKS AROUND THE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE SET UP ON THE SIDEWALK.

GREG USRY: AND THEN THE BACK LOT LONGER BACK TO THEIR TRADITIONAL DIRECTIONS.

GREG USRY: IT WILL GET RID OF THE BAGNALL STRIKING THE LIGHT ON PURCHASE, BUT IT'LL GO BACK. BASICALLY, THE WAY YOU KNOW THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED JOSH COHN: AS, AS WAS IN OUR AGENDA PACKAGE, WAY BACK WHEN, THAT IS, THERE'S THERE'S DOCUMENTATION.

CAROLINA JOHNSON: I KNOW I WAS JUST NOT, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT IT WHEN I'M DRIVING ANY FIGHT. THERE'S A TENSE PROTRUDING, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I WASN'T THINKING ABOUT IT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT LESS SO. JUST, JUST TO BE SAFE.

JULIE SOUZA: BUT IT'S JULIE SOUZA: IT'S THE SORT OF SIDEWALK. THEY COULD MOVED INTO THE PARKING PLACES RIGHT SO I DON'T, I DON'T, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE GREG USRY: YEAH.

JULIE SOUZA: YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE STREET. THE STREET IS GOING TO BE CLEAR THE SIDEWALK MIGHT BE SORT OF 10 DID A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE SIDEWALK GETS MOVED TO THE CLEAR LINE OF SIGHT IN THE PARKING SPOTS IN FRONT OF THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS.

GREG USRY: THAT'S BEST FOR IT, YOU'LL HAVE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, EXCEPT IN THOSE PLACES WHERE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, BILL, ITS SOCIAL IS WHICH THEY'LL BE A TENT SET UP ON THE SIDEWALK AND THERE'LL BE AN ELEVATED RAILED WALKWAY THAT WILL GO AROUND VILLAGE SOCIAL GREG USRY: YOU KNOW, BACK CONNECTED TO THE OTHER PART OF SIDEWALK.

CAROLINA JOHNSON: OKAY, THANK YOU.

JOSH COHN: OKAY. THAT WAS SOME OLD BUSINESS ANYMORE OLD BUSINESS NEW BUSINESS.

JOSH COHN: MAY HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

RICHARD MECCA: I'LL MAKE THAT MOST MR MAKE THAT MOTION TO ADJOURN. TONIGHT'S MEETING, SEE YOU ALL IN TWO WEEKS.

JOSH COHN: HAVE A SECOND JOSH COHN: ALL IN FAVOR.

CAROLINA JOHNSON: HAPPY THANKSGIVING IN A GREAT BEN STACKS: THANKSGIVING. YES.

BEN STACKS: RIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.