[Rye Police Department Review on February 18, 2021]
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LISA DOMINICI: OUR FULL POLICE REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING TODAY FEBRUARY.
LISA DOMINICI: 18 THURSDAY FEBRUARY 18 SNOWY DAY OUTSIDE THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONTINUED HARD WORK ON THIS, I KNOW THAT EACH SUBCOMMITTEE HAS BEEN.
LISA DOMINICI: MEETING SEVERAL TIMES SINCE OUR LAST FULL COMMITTEE TO WORK ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE SECTIONS AND, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BOTH SUBCOMMITTEES HAVE COMPLETED THEIR SUBSECTION WORK AND HAVE COME TO CONSENSUS AS A SUBCOMMITTEE SO TODAY OUR MISSION IS TO BEGIN REVIEWING THE ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
LISA DOMINICI: BY EACH OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE SO WE'LL SEE HOW FAR WE CAN GET TODAY WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING SCHEDULED FOR NEXT THURSDAY, AT THE SAME TIME AND AND WE WILL BE IDENTIFYING SOME REDUNDANCIES, SO THAT THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION LIST IS CLEAN AND SUCCINCT AND NOT REDUNDANT.
LISA DOMINICI: ARE THERE ANY OTHER GOALS FOR TODAY GUY OTHER THAN BEGIN THAT COLLECTIVE REVIEW.
GUY DEMPSEY: WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD REPORT THAT BECAUSE.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE REDUNDANCY IS NOT JUST IN TERMS OF TOPICS, BUT IN TERMS OF THE THE THE FORMAT AND AND THE WAY THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE EXPRESSED.
GUY DEMPSEY: LISA AND I ARE GOING TO FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE OF TO THAT, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FINAL SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS IS IS SCRUBBED TO BE AS AS COMPREHENSIVE AND IS COORDINATED AS POSSIBLE.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO, EVEN AS WE CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THE SUBSTANCE OF SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS LISA AND I WILL BE WORKING TO BRING IT ALL TOGETHER INTO A SINGLE, UNIFIED PACKAGE.
LISA DOMINICI: YES, AND OUR INTENT IS TO HAVE THE PREAMBLE, IF YOU WILL, TO THE DOCUMENT AND SOME OF THE SUPPORTING INFORMATION AND THEN THE INPUT OF TODAY'S MEETING UP TO DATE AND A COMPREHENSIVE DOCUMENT FOR YOU ALL.
LISA DOMINICI: BY BY MONDAY, SO THAT WILL GIVE US ALL SEVERAL DAYS TO REVIEW THAT AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN BEFORE THURSDAY AND THEN WE'LL PICK UP NEXT THURSDAY, WHERE WE LEAVE OFF TODAY, BECAUSE WE ARE SCHEDULED FOR ONE HOUR TODAY AND WE WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE FOR THAT TIME AND PEOPLE'S WORK SCHEDULES.
LISA DOMINICI: THAT SOME GOOD TO EVERYBODY ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO SHARE RIGHT NOW, OR STATE.
SHAHID B. MALIK: SO JUST A QUESTION THE THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU SENT TODAY THAT INCLUDES BOTH YOURS AND GUYS COMMITTEES RECOMMENDATIONS RIGHT.
LISA DOMINICI: NO, THAT WAS JUST MY SUBCOMMITTEE, YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A SEPARATE DOCUMENT WE HAVE NOT COMBINED THEM, YET I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE EASIER TO KEEP THEM SEPARATE, FOR NOW, THE NEXT DOCUMENT YOU ALL, WILL RECEIVE WITH THE INPUT FROM TODAY'S MEETING WILL BE ONE COMBINE THE DOCUMENT.
SHAHID B. MALIK: THANK YOU.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: YOU ALL SEE.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: YOU ALL RECEIVED THE OTHER SUBCOMMITTEES, THOUGH.
LISA DOMINICI: WE DID, YES, YOU DID I SENT THAT OUT JUST THE OTHER DAY, BUT WE'LL WE'LL SHARE IT ON THE SCREEN PATRICK AS WE, AS WE GO THROUGH.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: I SAW THE OTHER ONE AND I HAVE IT ON MY IPAD BUT I DIDN'T SEE THE OTHER ONE SO I'LL GET THAT.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: SHOW HE BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT HE WAS CONFUSED, WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS OURS, BECAUSE THEY SO MIRROR EACH OTHER.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: YOU COULD HAVE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING GREG AND ROB ON THE CALL, AND I THINK SOME OF THE COMBAT YOUR COMMITTEES RECOMMENDATIONS LISA.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE LIKE FINE I HAVE LIKE THE UNION CONTRACTS, WE HAVE AND THE OBLIGATIONS WE HAVE.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: AND WHAT WILL BELIEVE SAY OR NOT SAY ABOUT HAVING THEIR PICTURE ON ON THE WEBSITE, WHICH WE ALL RECOMMEND IT, YOU KNOW, ON BOTH SIDES, BUT THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, HAVING THE BENEFIT OF HAVING GREG AND ROB ON THE CALL, WE WERE ABLE TO SAY WELL.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: SOME THINGS ARE DOABLE AND SOME THINGS ARE JUST NOT DOABLE.
LISA DOMINICI: UNDER UNDERSTOOD, ALTHOUGH I THINK OUR COMMITTEE DID DISCUSS SOME OF THAT AND I THINK WE FELT THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY PUT A RECOMMENDATION FORTH ANYWAY BECAUSE PERHAPS SOME THINGS THAT MAYBE LOOK AT WHY THINGS AREN'T DOABLE.
TED LIVINGSTON: POTENTIALLY.
SO.
LISA DOMINICI: BUT, WILL YOU KNOW I THINK WE CAN TAKE THAT AS WE WALK THROUGH THINGS RIGHT NOW GOOD.
LISA DOMINICI: WE DID HAVE THAT I MEAN GAVE WAS VERY, VERY MUCH A PART OF ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS AND PROVIDED REALLY INVALUABLE INPUT SO BUT CERTAINLY DIDN'T HAVE SOME OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF.
LISA DOMINICI: I GUESS THE GOVERNMENTAL POLICIES BUT WE'LL WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT.
LISA DOMINICI: OKAY, SO I THINK GUY THE FIRST SECTIONS ARE YOURS, WHY DON'T WE JUST METHODICALLY WALK.
THROUGH.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK WE ULTIMATELY HAVE TO WALK THROUGH EVERYTHING BUT I THOUGHT.
GUY DEMPSEY: TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT TO THE TO THE KEY ITEMS EARLY IN THE HOUR, I THOUGHT WE SHOULD FOCUS IMMEDIATELY ON TWO ITEMS WHERE WE HAVE OVERLAPPING RECOMMENDATIONS AND IMPORTANT RECOMMENDATIONS.
GUY DEMPSEY: BUT TO SORT OF EXPLORE THE SIMILARITIES AND DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE WAY THE DIFFERENT SUBCOMMITTEES APPROACH THINGS.
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GUY DEMPSEY: AND THE TWO, I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE THE CREATION OF THE CIVILIAN COMMITTEE TO CARRY ON THE WORK OF THIS COMMITTEE AFTER WE'RE GONE AND THE SECOND, WOULD BE THE COLLECTING OF STATISTICS AND DATA CONCERNING POLICE ACTIVITY FOR PURPOSES OF. GUY DEMPSEY: REALLY, IMPROVING.
GUY DEMPSEY: IMPROVING THE POLICING AND RIGHT.
GUY DEMPSEY: LET'S LET'S START WITH THE CIVILIAN COMMITTEE AND I GUESS THE KEY POINT IS JUST WHETHER WE WOULD WHETHER THE VIEW IS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
GUY DEMPSEY: SOMETHING THAT IS LIKE THIS COMMITTEE, BUT ON A PERMANENT FOOTING GOING FORWARD SO HAVING A MANDATE SIMILAR TO THIS COMMITTEE OR WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME FORM OF CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT THAT IS MORE RIGOROUS THAN THE MANDATE OF THIS COMMITTEE.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK OUR OUR SUBCOMMITTEE WAS THINKING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF THE FORMER EMILY THE CONTINUATION OF THIS COMMITTEE UNDER A MORE PERMANENT FOOTING.
GUY DEMPSEY: HOW IS YOUR COMMITTEE, LOOKING AT THIS.
LISA DOMINICI: WE.
LISA DOMINICI: WE, WE AGREED THAT THE CONTINUATION OF THIS WORK SHOULD THAT THE WORK SHOULD CONTINUE THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE A ONE AND DONE, CERTAINLY, AND THAT IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE, PROBABLY AS THE COMMITTEE TO RECONVENE TO REVIEW THE THE.
LISA DOMINICI: WHAT WE RECOMMEND RIGHT TO REVIEW THE PLAN AND ASSESS WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT WORKED AND WHAT ISN'T WORKING AND WHAT MAYBE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR CHANGES WE NEED TO MAKE.
LISA DOMINICI: AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEING POTENTIALLY ANNUAL OR BIANNUAL BASIS.
LISA DOMINICI: BUT WE SO THAT'S SO THERE'S KIND OF LIKE THE PIECE THAT LOOKS AT WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW RIGHT AS AS AS THE REVIEW COMMITTEE, BUT THEN I THINK THAT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION.
LISA DOMINICI: ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL CIVILIAN REVIEW COMMITTEE JUST AROUND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN GENERAL, AND I THINK WHAT MY COMMITTEE SUBCOMMITTEE CAME TO IS THAT, IN A SENSE FOR THE CITY OF RIDE THAT SHOULD BE IN PLACE WITH THE.
LISA DOMINICI: THE DUAL COMMISSIONER AND CITY COUNCIL ROLE AT THE CITY, THE CHARTER, I BELIEVE, CALLS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO SERVE AS THAT REVIEW COMMITTEE, AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO.
LISA DOMINICI: ENSURE THAT THE COUNCIL BUILDS INTO ITS POLICIES OR SCHEDULING A MONTHLY REVIEW OF ASPECTS OF THE PLAN SO MY SUBCOMMITTEE FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN HERE IF IF I'M NOT ARTICULATING ARTICULATING SOMETHING.
SUSAN WATSON: PLEASE, SO WHEN COREY AND I SUGGESTED THAT WE HAVE A QUARTER WEB CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD TO REVIEW THAT THE DATA ANALYSIS, THE COLLECTED DATA FROM ALL THE STOPS AND SO FORTH.
SUSAN WATSON: AND THEN IT WOULD BE A SELF REFRESHING COMMITTEE OF NINE WITH THREE NEW MEMBERS EVERY YEAR.
SUSAN WATSON: BUT GAVE INDICATED THAT, BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL ALREADY DOES THAT THAT THAT IT WOULD BE REDUNDANT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE SAME THING GUYS TALKING ABOUT SO THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF DAYLIGHT BETWEEN OUR IDEAS.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: I I CAN DAN AND I WORKED ON THE THAT WAS OUR MANDATE WAS CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT AND.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: SO WE WE GO WITH AN ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM A REVIEW BOARD WE'RE GOING WITH THAT ADVISORY BOARD.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: WE'RE RECOMMENDING ACCORDING TO NICOLE, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: RECOMMENDS THAT POLICE DEPARTMENTS SELECT THE LEAST INTRUSIVE CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT ENTITY THAT IS ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THE DESIRE AND GOAL.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: AND THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S COMMENSURATE WITH THE AMOUNT OF COMPLAINTS AND TROUBLE THAT WE SEE EMANATING FROM THE POLICE SO ACCORDING TO OUR SURVEY AND ACCORDING TO THE STATISTICAL DATA SO FAR COLLECTED BY THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS UNIT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE DON'T SEE AN OVERWHELMING.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: PROBLEM HERE, SO WE SHOULD STILL HAVE THE ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH IS GOING TO HELP US.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: WITH THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE EDUCATING THE POLICE ABOUT POLICE PROCEDURES, SUGGESTING TO THE POLICE, COMMISSIONER.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: YOU KNOW HOW WHAT IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE DONE, AND CERTAINLY REVIEWING YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WHATEVER COMES UP THAT'S THAT'S TROUBLESOME, BUT I THINK.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: MIRRORING THERE THE REST OF THE OTHER COMMITTEES THAT WE HAVE THAT SERVE IN TOWN, LIKE THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, THE FLOOD COMMITTEE THE CONSERVATION COMMITTEE ALL OF THOSE.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: THEIR APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR THEY SERVE THREE YEAR TERMS THEY HAVE IT TO SEVEN, I MEAN, I THINK WE COULD RECRUIT NINE PEOPLE, BUT I THINK YOU KNOW I'M OPEN TO NINE OR SEVEN I THINK THAT'S THAT'S.
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SUSAN WATSON: YOU KNOW CAREFULLY CHOSEN NUMBER NINE BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO GET A QUORUM OF FIVE AND IF YOU'D HAVE SEVEN IT'S EASY IT'S EASY TO GET FIVE OUT OF NINE AND FIVE OUT OF SEVEN FOR A MEETING THAT WAS IT WAS THAT SIMPLE. SUSAN WATSON: WELL, THAT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR IDEA COMMITTEE COULD ALSO REVIEW THE THE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS ON A QUARTERLY BASIS AND WHICH WOULD MAKE OUR IDEA JUST BLEND INTO YOURS VERY EASILY.
GABE CAPUTO: I THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY BECAUSE WE'RE ADDRESSING RYE, AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING FROM RYE, WOULD BE TO HAVE THE BOARD KIND OF FIELD.
GABE CAPUTO: MORE OF THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS AS WELL, LIKE LIKE AN ALL ENCOMPASSING SO IT WOULD YOU KNOW CONSIST OF LIKE SAY THE COMMISSIONER AND THE TWO LIEUTENANTS OR MAYBE SOME YOU KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER COPS AND.
GABE CAPUTO: WHETHER OR NOT A CIVILIAN THEY SIT ON IT AS WELL TO HAVE OUR COMMUNITY, TO BE ABLE TO COME AND VOICE THINGS LIKE THE ISSUE OF THE THE FLAG THAT WAS SUCH A HOT TOPIC.
GABE CAPUTO: WHICH YOU KNOW, NOBODY REALLY SPOKE TO THE INDIVIDUALS, YOU KNOW ABOUT.
GABE CAPUTO: YOU KNOW WHERE THE FLAG CAME FROM, OR ORIGINATED FROM WHAT IT MEANS TO POLICE OFFICERS, IT WAS JUST TAKEN, AS YOU KNOW, A SYMBOL OF HATRED AND IT BECAME A REALLY BIG ISSUE IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN RESOLVED.
GABE CAPUTO: IF WE HAD A PLACE WHERE OUR COMMUNITY COULD WENT AND SAT AND SPOKE TO YOU KNOW SOME POLICE OFFICERS ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON.
GABE CAPUTO: THAT WAS SOMETHING I BELIEVE WE WE MENTIONED TO KIND OF BRING IN DETAIL, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ADDED TO WHAT WE HAVE A RATTY BUT NOT CREATING ANYTHING UNNECESSARILY WE DIDN'T NEED.
SHAHID B. MALIK: THE.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: I'M SORRY.
SHAHID B. MALIK: I MEAN, I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF THE REVIEW BOARD IN THE RECOMMENDATION SUGGESTS A STRUCTURE, THERE IS A COMMITMENT FROM.
SHAHID B. MALIK: THE BOARD MEMBERS BUT THERE'S FOR ONE YEAR OR TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS, AND I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA, RATHER THAN HAVING.
SHAHID B. MALIK: A GENERAL CONTINUATION OF THIS COMMITTEE, WHERE PEOPLE CAN LEAVE OR JOIN IN, SO I THINK THAT STRUCTURE HAS A LOT OF MARRIAGE AND AND WILL PRODUCE SOME GOOD RESULTS, FOR YOU KNOW, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE.
GUY DEMPSEY: HA SHAHID, THAT ARE SUBCOMMITTEES RECOMMENDATION, BUT TO FOLLOW THE ADMINISTRATION AND ORGANIZATION OF ALL THE OTHER ADVISORY COMMITTEE, SO IT WOULD ALL.
GUY DEMPSEY: BE ON THE SAME FOOTING AS THE FINANCE COMMITTEE IN THE OTHER ONE SO NOT NOT AS INFORMAL AS THIS ONE, BUT A GET ON THE SAME FOOTING AS THE OTHER COMMITTEES OF ADVISORY COMMITTEES FOR RIGHT OKAY.
LISA DOMINICI: I THINK THE ADVISORY VERSUS REVIEW IS IMPORTANT, THOSE WORDS ARE IMPORTANT.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: ALL RIGHT, YEAH.
AND ROB FALK: I THINK IN INFORMATION SHARON PAPER COMMITTEE, SO THAT THE INFORMATION CAN GO BOTH WAYS WHAT I'M FINDING IN ATTENDING THESE REVIEW MEETINGS.
ROB FALK: IS OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE VERY UNEDUCATED OF WHAT ACTUALLY IS OCCURRING OUT THERE WITH THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND IT GOES BOTH WAYS SOMETIMES A POLICE DEPARTMENT IS NOT AWARE.
ROB FALK: OF WHAT'S BOTHERING THE COMMUNITY OR WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ACTUALLY SUPPORTING AND WANTS TO SEE MORROW ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS I SAW IS THAT WE PARTAKE IN MORE.
ROB FALK: PUBLIC EVENTS, BUT THE COMMUNITY.
ROB FALK: WHAT WHEN I WAS ASSIGNED A TROLL LIEUTENANTS DUTIES, I THINK WE ATTENDED MORE THAN 30 SOMETHING PUBLIC EVENTS.
ROB FALK: THAT WE WERE EITHER CONTROLLING TRAFFIC OR JUST BEING THERE VINCE SUCH AS TOUCH A TRUCK RIDE DERBY PROBABLY CANNOT OH.
ROB FALK: THROUGH THE VILLAGE, THE WAY IT GOES THROUGH THE VILLAGE WITHOUT THE EXISTENCE OF THE BELIEFS, AND I KNOW BECAUSE I'VE ATTENDED I BELIEVE EVERY DERBY SINCE 1982.
ROB FALK: OR WHENEVER THEY BEGAN AND IT'S A BIG HUGE COMMUNITY EVENT AND THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION SHARING AND WHISPERS BACK AND FORTH AND GENERALLY IT'S A DAY MADE WITH SMILES AND IT'S NICE TO SEE.
TED LIVINGSTON: I WANT TO JUST WEIGH IN ON.
TED LIVINGSTON: YOU HAVE DIFFERENT AGENCIES THAT ARE REVIEWING THINGS THAT THE RICE CITY PD POTENTIALLY COULD BE DOING.
TED LIVINGSTON: YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHICH WILL BE REVIEWING THINGS POTENTIALLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE NEW YORK STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE REVIEWING THINGS.
TED LIVINGSTON: POTENTIALLY THE US ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK WILL BE REVIEWING THINGS SO.
TED LIVINGSTON: IT COMPLICATES MATTERS TO CREATE IT ANOTHER LAYER OF BUREAUCRACY TO REVIEW THINGS THAT COULD VERY WELL BE RUNNING INTERFERENCE WITH THESE OTHER AGENCIES REVIEWING THINGS I JUST SAY IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
TED LIVINGSTON: AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS DISCUSSED BY THE OTHER SUBCOMMITTEE BUT I'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN IN MY OWN PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE WERE WITNESSES, THE SAME WITNESSES TO A PARTICULAR INCIDENT OR BEING CALLED THE TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT AGENCIES, I KNOW, WE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
TED LIVINGSTON: TRY TO COORDINATE WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE IN THE US ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND MAKE A DECISION ON WHICH AGENCY WILL TAKE THE LEAD, SO AS TO AVOID THAT KIND OF INTERFERENCE.
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PATRICK MCGOVERN: OKAY. CAROLINA JOHNSON: NO BIG AGENCY WOULDN'T HAVE THE POWERS OF.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: SUBPOENA THAT WE WERE NOT.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IT'S JUST MORE YOU KNOW, CREATING THE RIGHT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN AN UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BOY, THERE IS NO SUGGESTIONS OF ANY EXTRA POWERS ARE REALLY CLAW YOU KNOW.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: POWERS LIKE THAT SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY I'M COMFORTABLE WITH AN ADVISORY.
TED LIVINGSTON: RATHER THAN AGREE WITH YOU CAROLYN.
JOSH COHN: I AGREE WE HAVE 100 QUESTION.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: BUT BUT TED WOULDN'T YOU AGREE THAT IF SOMETHING FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OR THE STATE OR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO BE CALLED INTO SOMETHING.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY SERIOUS MATTER CORRECT.
TED LIVINGSTON: YOU KNOW IT'S.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: PROBABLY PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHO JUST STEP BACK.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: WAIT TILL IT IT RUNS ITS COURSE AND THEN PERHAPS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, ALONG WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, THE POLICE WOULD SAY OKAY, WHAT HAPPENED.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: AND LET'S REVIEW NOW ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO DIFFERENTLY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE WOULD BE INVOLVED IN ANYTHING.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: EXCEPT WAY AFTER THE FACT THAT INVOLVED THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OR THE STATE ATTORNEY OR THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE LIKE JUST STEP BACK AND LET THEM DO THEIR JOB.
TED LIVINGSTON: PATRICK DIDN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WHEN WHEN WE WHEN WE SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, A DEFENDANT AND I'M NOT REFERRING TO RIDE.
TED LIVINGSTON: CITY HERE OKAY RISE STATISTICS ARE EXTRAORDINARY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I THINK I HAD ONE ONE EXCESSIVE FORCE COMPLAINT OUT OF 72,000.
TED LIVINGSTON: CALLS TO SERVICE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY STATISTIC, BUT WHEN WE DO SEE A CRIMINAL DEFENDANT WHO HAS BRUISES.
TED LIVINGSTON: WHO HAS ANY INDICATIONS OF INJURY, WE ARE ACTIVE AND GOING TO THE CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY AND SUGGESTING, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BRING A COMPLAINT OF EXCESSIVE FORCE DIRECTLY TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS THAT CONSIDERED A SERIOUS MATTER.
TED LIVINGSTON: I CAN TELL YOU THIS IT'S NOT UNCOMMON YOU KNOW I I IT IT'S NOT UNCOMMON IS THE BEST I CAN TELL YOU IT HAPPENS, A LOT, YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS 6070 TIMES A YEAR.
GUY DEMPSEY: LET'S KEEP FOCUSED ON ON THE COMMITTEE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE BUILDING A CONSENSUS THAT THIS WOULD BE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON A REVIEW COMMITTEE ONE, I THINK, VERY IMPORTANT POINT THAT LISA MENTIONED EARLIER.
GUY DEMPSEY: WAS THAT WE THINK THIS COMMITTEE WOULDN'T AFFECT THE PART OF THE PART OF THE PLAN TO IMPLEMENT DIRECTLY THE SENSE THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD BE THE ONE IN TAKE.
GUY DEMPSEY: IT SOME FUTURE DATE SO IT'S MONTHS OR A YEAR FROM NOW, WE NEED SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SEE WHETHER THEY'VE BEEN IMPLEMENTED OR NOT, AND THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE RULES OF THIS ONGOING COMMITTEE.
LISA DOMINICI: WITHOUT MUDDYING SEE.
LISA DOMINICI: ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS ABOUT I JUST WANT TO SAY, I FEEL, MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE.
LISA DOMINICI: TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF COMMITTEES, ONE IS WHAT SUSAN AND COREY WERE FOCUSING ON AND WE HAD CONSENSUS WITH YOU KNOW INPUT FROM EVERYONE AT.
LISA DOMINICI: THE COMMUNITY REVIEW BOARD WAS REALLY TO LOOK AT STATISTICAL ANALYSIS BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE PEER REVIEW INFORMATION.
LISA DOMINICI: AND WE'RE SAYING, MAYBE THAT'S THE CITY COUNCIL'S ROLE IN THE CURRENT KIND OF MAKEUP OF OUR OF OUR COMMUNITY.
LISA DOMINICI: AND REPORT ON THAT ON A QUARTERLY BASIS OR OFTEN TO THE COMMUNITY THAT'S KIND OF THAT'S ONE PIECE OF IT, THEN THE OTHER PIECE IS A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COMMUNITY POLICING.
LISA DOMINICI: WHICH I THINK CAROLYN AND JEN AND GENEVIEVE AND EVERYONE WORKED ON IN TERMS OF.
LISA DOMINICI: YOU KNOW, INTEGRATING THE POLICE MORE INTO THE COMMUNITY AND HAVING MORE OF A DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH, AND HAVING YOU KNOW IN ENHANCING THEIR RELATIONSHIP AND UNDERSTANDING AND DIALOGUE BETWEEN BOTH I FEEL LIKE THERE WERE TALKING ABOUT TWO SEPARATE THINGS HERE.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: THANK YOU LISA THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I WANTED TO CHIME IN BEFORE BECAUSE I WANT TO JUST SPEAK TO GAPES POINT EIGHT WAS.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: YOU KNOW, TALKING THAT I DID SEE A BIT OF A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE TWO COMMITTEES, AND SO WE THINK WE, WE MIGHT TABLE THAT RIGHT, BECAUSE WHEN WE GET TO THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW THE MEETING STRUCTURED.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: BUT YEAH SO WE HAVE IDEAS ON HOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID HOW TO HANDLE IT FOR MORE OF.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: A DIALOGUE IT, YOU KNOW A GOOD DIALOGUE BETWEEN WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS, WHETHER IT HAS TO DO WITH LEAF BLOWERS OR SPEEDING DOWN MIDLAND OR LIKE GAY BROUGHT UP THE FLAG, BECAUSE WHAT.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: YOU KNOW, WE KEEP GOING BACK TO JUST THIS IDEA OF INTENT VERSUS IMPACT AND THE EXAMPLE OF THE FLAG, YOU KNOW A GOOD CONVERSATION BETWEEN THOSE WHO WERE CONCERNED AND THE OFFICERS REALLY COULD HAVE.
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GENEVIEVE WEBER: HAVE ALLOWED FOR US TO HEAR BOTH SIDES AND TAKE AWAY SOME OF THE THE. GENEVIEVE WEBER: ANY SORT OF YOU KNOW PUNITIVE OR ANY INTENTIONAL KIND OF ACTION, AND SO I HOPE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO FORM, AND NOT JUST CREATE USE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING SOME IDEAS.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: OF SOME GROUPS LIKE GROWING THE POSITIVE AND WE WANT TO INVOLVE THE YOUTH, WE WANT TO INVOLVE.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: DIFFERENT COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, BECAUSE, ACCORDING TO THE SURVEY THAT WE DID YOU KNOW WE REALLY WANT TO HEAR MORE FROM THE YOUTH, SO WE CAN SEE THEM FEEL A BIT SAFER AND MORE CONNECTED TO THE POLICE SO WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD IDEAS.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK WE STILL HAVE ONE COMMITTEE WE THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT IS THE MISSION STATEMENT OF THAT ONE COMMITTEE, AND IT CAN HAVE MULTIPLE MISSIONS IT'S OBVIOUSLY BY BY VIRTUE OF A OF A MEMBERSHIP THAT WILL INCLUDE POLICE AND AND AND CIVILIAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
GUY DEMPSEY: IT CREATES POSSIBILITIES FOR COMMUNICATION AND.
GUY DEMPSEY: FOSTERING OF TRANSPARENCY.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND GOOD GOOD RELATIONS.
GUY DEMPSEY: BUT IT ALSO HAS MORE CONCRETE ROLES THAT IT CAN PERFORM.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT'S WHERE.
GREG USRY: A GUY I MEAN, I THINK THAT THE BEST ANALOGY, AT LEAST TO AN EXISTING COMMITTEE THAT I CAN I CAN DRAW IS PROBABLY TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
GREG USRY: WHICH MEETS ONCE A MONTH, IT HAS A MEMBER OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HAS THE OFTENTIMES A CITY ENGINEER, IT HAS A VOLUNTEER BOARD THAT IS APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR CONFIRMED BY THE COUNCIL.
GREG USRY: ON AND FOLLOWING THAT MEETING, EVERY MONTH, THERE IS A MEETING OF SENIOR STAFF.
GREG USRY: BIT WITH THE CHAIRMAN CHAIR PEOPLE OF THAT COMMITTEE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE COMPLAINTS ARE THE ISSUES WERE AND HOW THE CITY IS BEST POSITION TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.
GREG USRY: ARE NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE THEY INVOLVE MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF SPENDING OR THAT THEY ARE.
GREG USRY: IN BREACH OF STATE LAW SOME THINGS ARE THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY YOU KNOW, ARE ABLE TO DO YOU KNOW VERY ACTIVE BECAUSE OF THAT KIND OF GIVEN GIVEN TAKE.
GREG USRY: THE ONE THING THAT I JUST YOU, I WOULD JUST CAUTION EVERYBODY IS THAT WHEN YOU BEGAN MOVING FROM THAT ADVISORY ROLE TO REVIEWING BODY CAM FOOTAGE.
GREG USRY: YOU OR GETTING INVOLVED IN DISCIPLINARY ACTION YOU'RE NOW MOVING INTO FUNCTIONS THAT EITHER ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED OR GOING TO BE IN BREACH OF EITHER UNION CONTRACT MATTERS OR OTHER.
GREG USRY: LEGAL LIMITATIONS, SO YOU KNOW I THINK IT'S IT'S JUST GUYS, YOU SAID IT'S KIND OF SEPARATING WHAT IS A KIND OF A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY ROLE.
GREG USRY: AND THEN, WHAT REALLY IS DELVING INTO RESPONSIBILITIES THAT FALL TO THE SAFETY, COMMISSIONER, THE MANAGERS OFFICE AND ULTIMATELY TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
TED LIVINGSTON: I JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT WHAT GREG TO SAID THE OTHER THING IS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REVIEWING BODY CAM FILM FOOTAGE UM IF THAT MATTERS AN ACTIVE PENDING MATTER IT'S CURRENTLY BEING LITIGATED.
TED LIVINGSTON: THIS THING COULD GET EXTREMELY COMPLICATED IN WAYS WE'RE ON AWARE OF RIGHT NOW.
TED LIVINGSTON: SO IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF WELL WE'RE JUST GOING TO REVIEW AND SEE IF POLICE WORLD YOU KNOW ACTED APPROPRIATELY AT THAT POINT.
TED LIVINGSTON: IF IT'S AN ACT OF MATTER WHERE IT'S NOT UNUSUAL AND RICE CITY.
TED LIVINGSTON: TO HAVE A CASE PENDING FOR A YEAR BEFORE IT GOES TO TRIAL IT'S NOT AN UNUSUAL THING THROUGHOUT WESTCHESTER NOT JUST RIGHT IT'S NOT A.
TED LIVINGSTON: FUNCTION OF BEING INEFFICIENT IT'S A FUNCTION OF WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH A PANDEMIC, RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE ARE YOU KNOW APPEARING VIRTUALLY.
TED LIVINGSTON: THINGS ARE ALL BACKLOGGED SO THE TIMING OF THINGS THERE'S A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE IN MY MIND BETWEEN REVIEWING A MATTER THAT'S ALREADY BEEN RESOLVED IN A COURT OF LAW VERSUS REVIEWING A MATTER THAT'S ACTIVELY BEING LITIGATED.
DANIEL LOVE: IT WAS, FOR THESE REASONS THAT CURRENTLY AND AND MY RECOMMENDATION WAS THE ADVISORY BOARD WHICH KEPT KEPT CITIZENS OUT OF NEEDING REALLY SPECIALIZED TRAINING AND STEERING CLEAR AND SOME OF THOSE LEGAL ISSUES.
DANIEL LOVE: SO IT KEPT IT MORE ADVISORY WITHOUT DEEP INTO THE REVIEW PIECE OF IT.
GUY DEMPSEY: THIS IS SHADING OVER INTO THE QUESTION OF OF STATISTICS AND REVIEW STATISTICS THAT WERE MY SUBCOMMITTEE CAME OUT.
GUY DEMPSEY: PROBABLY ON A CONSERVATIVE SIDE WAS THAT WE RECOMMENDED THAT THE POLICE, DEVELOP A PLAN FOR OBTAINING STATISTICS THAT WOULD HAVE THE LIKELY.
GUY DEMPSEY: LIKELY OUTCOME OF IMPROVING THE POLICING AND RY BUT LEAVING TO THE POLICE MORE OF THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT KIND OF DATA THAT SHOULD BE COLLECTED.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT, WE ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT THERE THAT THE RIOT POLICE LEADERSHIP REVIEW ALL AVAILABLE DATA, AND WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE AND.
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GUY DEMPSEY: ANY INFORMATION ABOUT TRAFFIC STOPS AND OTHER DATA WHICH IS AVAILABLE TO THEM FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING WHETHER. GUY DEMPSEY: ALL OF THE BEHAVIOR OF THEIR POLICE OFFICERS IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND NEW YORK STATE WHILE WILL AND REGULATIONS SO IN THE FIRST INSTANCE WE SAYING.
GUY DEMPSEY: LET'S LET'S COME UP WITH A POLICY FOR COLLECTING DATA AND LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THE POLICE LEADERSHIP USES THAT DATA TO IN FACT CREATE A BETTER POLICING OUTCOME FOR ROCK.
GUY DEMPSEY: BUT WE DID NOT GO THE FURTHER STEP OF SAYING THAT SPECIFIC DATA WOULD BE REVIEWED BY CIVILIAN GROUP.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND PART OF THAT'S INFORMED BY SOME OF THE POINTS I WAS MAKING BUT ACROSS.
GUY DEMPSEY: CURRENTLY, THE.
GUY DEMPSEY: YEAR THAT THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: WE LEAVE THAT TO THE TO THE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD, BUT WITH THE ABILITY TO ADVISE AND RAISE ISSUES IF WE SEE IF IT'S SUDDEN SPIKE IN THE NUMBER OF OF YOU KNOW, REPORTED CASES OF POLICE ABUSE.
LISA DOMINICI: CAN I CAN I SUGGEST SOMETHING HERE AND I'M SORRY TO THROW THIS IN TOURING HERE BUT.
LISA DOMINICI: I THINK THAT YOU KNOW EACH SUB COMMITTEE HAS WORKED ON SUB SECTIONS AND WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE WERE LESS FAMILIAR WITH THE OTHER SUBCOMMITTEES WORK AND.
LISA DOMINICI: I THINK THAT TO RANDOMLY TALK ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM DIFFERENT SECTIONS, WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING WHAT SECTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING AND I, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
LISA DOMINICI: TO WALK THROUGH THE REDACT RECOMMENDATIONS, ONE BY ONE, AND IF THEY'RE REDUNDANT, WE CAN IDENTIFY THAT AND GUY AND I CAN DO THAT WORK OFFLINE, BUT I THINK TAKING.
LISA DOMINICI: SOME OF THIS INFORMATION OUT OF THE CONTEXT IS CONFUSING AT LEAST I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED RIGHT NOW AND I'M GUESSING MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE ARE SO.
LISA DOMINICI: WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I JUST FEEL LIKE WE ALL DID THIS WORK, YOU SHOULD REVIEW IT AND THEN AGREE UPON IT THAT'S WHAT OUR NEXT STEP IS HERE TO GREET UPON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
LISA DOMINICI: I CAN CHIME IN.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT, FOR SOME OF IT WAS HARD TO KEEP THE DISCIPLINE TO STICK TO EXACTLY WHAT YOUR MANDATE WAS, AND IT WAS.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: OH, BUT WE MUST SAY SOMETHING ABOUT HIRING OR WE MUST SAY SOMETHING ABOUT YOU KNOW DATA OR WE MIGHT SAY SOMETHING, SO I THINK THAT'S IT'S PART OF IT WAS IT WAS A CONFUSING EXERCISE, BECAUSE WE WERE SO WORKING IN ISOLATION, SO YEAH I MEAN.
LISA DOMINICI: AND I THINK YOU KNOW WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK, WE HAVE TO START ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS AND I KNOW WE HAVE, BUT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO REMIND ALL OF YOU KNOW EACH OTHER AND OURSELVES.
LISA DOMINICI: THAT ALL OF THIS IS THROUGH THE LENS OF THE CITY OF RYE RIGHT AND WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE CITY OF RYE, AND THE DATA WE HAVE FROM THE CITY RIGHT AND THE SURVEY AND ALL THE OTHER DATA POINTS WE'VE COLLECTED ALONG THE WAY.
LISA DOMINICI: WHICH I KNOW WE HAVE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS BUT.
LISA DOMINICI: DOES ANYONE THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO MOVE THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE YOU AWESOME TO.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: ME, I APPRECIATE THAT LISA AND I'M THINKING THAT WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS THAT WE.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: DUPLICATE EFFORTS RIGHT AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T DO THAT, BECAUSE IF WE SATURATE OUR TOWN WITH TOO MANY COMMITTEES.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: THEN IT GETS CONFUSING, SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR TOWN AS BEING SO RESOURCEFUL SO MANY THINGS READY IN THE MAKING, BETWEEN REACT RIGHT COALITION THERE'S SO MUCH GREAT STUFF GOING SO I AGREE LET'S KIND OF STAY.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: IN ORDER AND THEN CONTINUOUSLY REFLECT ON OUR REGIONAL RECRUITING EFFORTS AND HOW CAN WE AVOID DOING THAT.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: YEAH AND LEAST I THINK WE CAN JUST AGREE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A COMMITTEE IT'LL BE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND TABLE LATER TWO THINGS.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: AS WE GET INTO IT LIKE CAN YOU LOOK AT THIS SHOULD YOU LOOK AT THIS AND WHAT THE EXACT RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE COMMITTEE OR SAVE THAT FOR LATER, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT THAT THERE SHOULD BE ONE COMMITTEE.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: THAT DOES SEVERAL THINGS THERE'LL BE ADVISORY AND THEN LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO OR SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO LATER.
SUSAN WATSON: SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
GUY DEMPSEY: LISA, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO START WITH IT.
LISA DOMINICI: DOES EVERYONE FEEL LIKE THAT'S A GOOD IDEA I DON'T WANT TO FEEL LIKE I'M PUTTING THIS DOWN PEOPLE'S THROATS BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A METHODICAL WAY TO GO THROUGH IT, YES.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: AND, AND IF YOU GUYS, WHO HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT IT KNOW THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO SHOW US IS REDUNDANT AND THE OTHER ONE JUST SAY THAT WE CAN YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO FIGURE THAT OUT LATER, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND ANY TIME ON IT.
LISA DOMINICI: YEAH GUY AND I ARE THAT'S KIND OF OUR HOMEWORK AFTER THIS WE HAVE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE THE TIME TO METHODICALLY GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
GABE CAPUTO: SHOULD WE HAVE THAT CLEANED UP FIRST BEFORE WE GO THROUGH EVERYTHING.
LISA DOMINICI: WE TALKED ABOUT DOING THAT, BEFORE THIS MEETING ACTUALLY GREG AND JOSH AND GUY AND I WERE DISCUSSING YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE TAKE THE TIME.
LISA DOMINICI: TO TO REDUCE REDUNDANCIES.
LISA DOMINICI: AND WE WENT BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT AND THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT COMMITTEE HIS INPUT, BUT THAT'S A LOGICAL NEXT STEP, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW WILL.
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LISA DOMINICI: SO THAT IT IS A LOGICAL NEXT STEP, WE CAN DO THAT. GABE CAPUTO: FROM A TIME STANDPOINT TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF REDUNDANT SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW AND IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME IF WE CLEAN THAT UP FIRST, THEN.
GABE CAPUTO: AND RECONVENE THAT PEOPLE CAN VOICE YOUR OPINION ON WHAT MIGHT NEED TO BE TWEAKED OR WHATEVER ELSE, BUT AT LEAST WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE CONSOLIDATED EFFORT VERSUS DOUBLE THINGS.
LISA DOMINICI: AND ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT EACH SUB COMMITTEE HAS COME TO A CONSENSUS RIGHT SO IT'S REALLY TAKING KIND OF THOSE TWO FINAL DOCUMENTS AND THEN COMBINING THEM AND THEN HAVING PEOPLE RESPOND TO THAT.
JENN BOYLE: BUT LISA.
JENN BOYLE: MAYBE WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT BOTH LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I STARTED READING.
JENN BOYLE: THE FIRST PAGE FROM THE OTHER, THE OTHER COMMITTEE THERE'S ALREADY TWO OR THREE THINGS THAT CROSSED OVER COMPLETELY WITH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND MAYBE IT'S IN THOSE WERE THOSE THINGS OCCUR.
JENN BOYLE: YOU CAN INDICATE THIS WAS THIS SHOWED UP IN LEADERSHIP AND CULTURE AND.
JENN BOYLE: COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, SO THAT EACH EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL SUBSETS OF THOSE SUBCOMMITTEES KNOW THAT THEIR PORTION KIND OF HAD A CROSSOVER AND THEN THAT WAY IT DOESN'T GET LOST IN THE DISCUSSION AND EACH SET EACH.
JENN BOYLE: INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUALS FOR THE GROUPS COULD SAY, WELL, THIS IS WHAT WE WERE THINKING AND FIND OUT WHERE'S THE COMMON GROUND SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS A HAS THE VOICE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO I THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BY GOING EACH SET BY SET.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: AND I THINK IF IF YOU TO COME UP AND TAKE THOSE TWO SEPARATE THINGS COMBINE THEM INTO ONE DO YOUR BEST WHEN WE REVIEW IT, YOU CAN SHOW.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: HERE'S WHAT THIS GROUP STARTED WITH HERE'S WHAT THAT GROUP STARTED WITH HERE'S WHAT WE CAME UP WITH, AND THEN THE TWO GROUPS CAN SAY I THINK YOU'RE MISSING SOMETHING OR YOU GOT IT PERFECT.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: SO THAT WAY, NOTHING IS YOU KNOW DROPPED ON THE FLOOR AND EVERYBODY FEELS THAT, WHICHEVER GROUP THEY'RE IN AND WHATEVER THEY INTENDED.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: GET SHOWN IN THE FINAL RESULT, I MEAN WILL TRUST YOU TO TAKE THE FIRST CRACK AT IT AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THE TWO PARTS AND SEE HOW YOU CAME TO ONE AND FIGURE IT OUT FROM THERE.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT'S EXACTLY THE WAY, I THINK WE SHOULD BE PROCEEDING WITH ONE AMENDMENT, AND THAT IS.
GUY DEMPSEY: WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THERE WERE TWO PARTS, WHERE THERE WAS SUBSTANTIAL OVERLAP AND POTENTIAL CONTROVERSY ONE WAS ABOUT THE COMMITTEE AND THE OTHER IS ABOUT COLLECTING DATA.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND I WOULD LIKE TO USE THE REST OF THIS MEETING TO GO THROUGH THE COLLECTING DATA HAVE PEOPLE EXPRESS WHAT THEIR VIEWS ARE SO THAT WHEN LISA AND I GO TO DO OUR HOMEWORK, WE HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF THE COMMITTEE.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND WHERE THERE'S A ROOM FOR CONSENSUS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S A BIG GAP BETWEEN WHERE OUR SUBCOMMITTEE CAME OUT ON LOOKING AT COLLECTING OF DATA AND WHERE YOUR COMMITTEE CANNOT, WHICH IS ACTUALLY CLOSE TO WHERE OUR SUBCOMMITTEE STARTED, AND IT WAS A VERY PRESCRIPTIVE.
GUY DEMPSEY: VERY DETAIL.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT HAVE YOU KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING AND HOW WE SHOULD BE DOING IT.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND WE EVENTUALLY MOVED OFF OF THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT, RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WHEN GO TO CONSOLIDATE MIGHT WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT BOTH BOTH ALL ARE ALL SPECTRUMS OF OPINION ARE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE CONVERSATION.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: I THINK.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: THERE'S A START YEAH I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA GUY I THINK THAT SOME OF THE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS THAT'S BEEN SUGGESTED IS TO SAY, WE NEED TO KNOW IF IF THEY WENT TO STOP A PERSON, BECAUSE IT WAS A HISPANIC WOMAN OR IT WAS A YOUNG AFRICAN AMERICAN BOY OR END AND THEN.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: WHEN AND HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY STOPPED THE CAR BECAUSE IT HAD A BROKEN TAILLIGHT WHEN AND NO DO WE HAVE DO WE KNOW IT, BECAUSE IT WAS THE LICENSE PLATE READERS SAID THAT.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: IT WAS A SUSPENDED REGISTRATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO ARE WE DO WE WANT TO INTEGRATE ALL OF IT IS THAT DOABLE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, CAN THEY CRUNCH, ALL THOSE I MEAN.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: THEY COULD PROBABLY PUT ALL BUT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO DIFFERENTIATE THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT LENGTH, BUT I DON'T I.
KNOW.
GABE CAPUTO: WE TOUCHED ON THIS LAST TIME AND I BROUGHT UP YOU KNOW SOMETHING FROM THE WORKING SIDE OF IT, SO I MEAN WE CAN COLLECT DATA AND TIME AND MONEY RIGHT CITY, GOING TO BE WILLING TO DO THAT, THEN IT'S GONNA BE TIME ON THE OFFICER ON THE SIDE OF THE.
GUY DEMPSEY: ROAD.
GABE CAPUTO: ONE OF THE WORKING PIECES THAT YOU GOT A GUY CONSIDER AND WE BROUGHT UP GENDER AS THE TOPIC IS KIND OF HOW WE WERE YOU KNOW TALKED ABOUT IT BETWEEN LOOKING AT IS EVERYTHING.
GABE CAPUTO: NOW I WALK UP TO THE CAR NOW, FIRST AND FOREMOST.
GABE CAPUTO: CAR STOPS OR STAFF BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS OR INFRACTIONS OR WHATEVER THEY MIGHT BE RIGHT, WHETHER YOU'RE DOING 31 AND 30 IT'S STILL YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO I CAN STOP THAT CAR, FOR THAT REASON, SO.
GABE CAPUTO: YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANYTHING UP TO STOP CARS ALMOST EVERY CAR HAS A VIOLATION WHEN THEY DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD IT'S JUST HOW R VS TS RE IT'S A FACT.
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ROB FALK: YES, MOST OF THEM HAVE A SURGICAL MASK HANGING FROM THE MIRROR INSIDE THE CAR, WHICH IS A VIOLATION. GABE CAPUTO: SO WHEN WE APPROACH THE CAR AND WE DO WE HAVE TO DO IF WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY AS THE OFFICER IDENTIFY WHATEVER FACTORS WERE SAYING THAT THE OFFICER IS GOING TO IDENTIFY.
GABE CAPUTO: IF WE HAVE THE OFFICER START ASKING PEOPLE WHAT THEY IDENTIFY WITH WHETHER IT'S GENDER WHETHER IT'S RACE WELL THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO START TO OPEN UP TO FOUR DIFFERENT THINGS.
GABE CAPUTO: SO I THINK THAT CONCLUSION WE CAME FROM OUR SIDE IS THAT WHEN THINGS ARE SAID, IF WE DECIDED THE OFFICERS ARE GOING TO DO THIS, THAT THEY WOULD DO IT AT THEIR WE CALL IT OUR OUR CAD OR.
GABE CAPUTO: WHAT, WHICH IS WHERE WE DO GO INTO OUR REPORT AFTERWARDS, WE WOULD CHECK WHATEVER BOXES WERE THERE.
GABE CAPUTO: BECAUSE IF WE START ASKING PEOPLE YOU KNOW IF YOU IDENTIFY, SOMETHING I THINK NOW PEOPLE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE MIGHT GENERATE ACTUALLY MORE COMPLAINTS REGARDING.
GABE CAPUTO: RACE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WE DON'T GET NOW BECAUSE YOU OPEN THAT DOOR UP, I MEAN PEOPLE GET UPSET ABOUT IF YOU ASK SOMEBODY.
GABE CAPUTO: DO YOU ON THIS VEHICLE WHEN YOU APPROACH, A CAR HEY YOU ON THIS CAR PEOPLE GET UPSET ABOUT THAT, AND THEY THINK IT'S A RACIST STATEMENT.
GABE CAPUTO: AND IT REALLY ISN'T IT'S A STATEMENT THAT COPS ARE TRAINED TO TO US BECAUSE IT HELPS WITH A FEW THINGS.
GABE CAPUTO: IF YOU ASK SOMEBODY IF THEY OWN A CAR, AND THEY DO THEY'RE GOING TO SAY YES, AND IF THEY DON'T OWN IT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY NO, AND AND YOU SAY, WHOSE CAR IS IT THEY'LL TELL YOU.
GABE CAPUTO: IF YOU GET A CRIMINAL WHO STOLE THAT CAR, THEY WILL PROBABLY FUMBLE OVER THAT THEY WILL PROBABLY SAY OR DO CERTAIN THINGS WHICH LEADS YOU TO THE NEXT INVESTIGATIVE THING.
GABE CAPUTO: IF IT'S A CAR STOPPING YOU OWN THE CAR AND YOU SAY YES, YOU DO NOW, I KNOW BECAUSE I PUT YOUR PLATE IN AND I RAN IT BEFORE I GOT UP THERE.
GABE CAPUTO: THAT YOU MIGHT BE WINDED ON ONE YOU MIGHT BE A VIOLENT CRIMINAL BASED OFF OF THAT SO IF YOU SAY YES, AND THEN MY COMPUTER, I KNOW THAT THAT PERSON, SO THIS ALLOWS ME AS AN OFFICER TO DO CERTAIN THINGS BEFOREHAND.
GABE CAPUTO: SO THAT QUESTION REALLY IS JUST A SIMPLE QUESTION AND HELPS ME AS AN OFFICER DO MY JOB, HOWEVER, PEOPLE TAKE THAT QUESTION.
GABE CAPUTO: AS BEING YOU KNOW BIAS OR RACIST WHEN IT REALLY ISN'T THAT SO THAT'S A PIECE WHEN WE START COLLECTING THESE DATA THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER WHAT TYPE OF STUFF WE START COLLECTING.
GABE CAPUTO: WELL.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: GAVE YOU, IT ALSO SAID THAT FOR.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: FOR THE MOST PART DON'T KNOW WHO'S IN THAT CAR UNTIL YOU APPROACH THE CAR AND YOU'VE ALREADY MADE THE DECISION TO STOP THEM, WHETHER THE WINDOWS ARE UP.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: WHETHER YOU'RE SHOOTING A RADAR GUN FLASH ON THE LICENSE PLATE OR WHATEVER SO.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THAT PERSON IS IT MAY BE, WE MAY WANT TO LATER ON IN FACT THAT LET'S GATHER THE DATA, WHO WAS GIVEN A TICKET, WHO WAS GIVEN SOMETHING MORE THAN A TICKET LET'S LOOK AT.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: THE RACE OF THAT PERSON AFTER THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T ENCUMBER OR START TO SAY WELL HERE'S WHY YOU'VE PULLED THE PERSON OVER WHEN WE CAN'T POSSIBLY GATHER DATA THAT SAYS.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: 82% OF THE TIME I DIDN'T KNOW WHO WAS IN THE CAR, BECAUSE THE WINDOW IS CLOSED OR AND THEN GO FROM THERE, BUT AFTER THE FACT, WE CAN START LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW HOW MANY.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: STOPS WERE MADE, HOW MANY TICKETS WERE ISSUED AND WHO WERE THOSE, BUT I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU TO PUT YOU IN A POSITION TO, AND THEN WE ALSO DISCUSSED LIKE WHO DID YOU ASSUME THE RACE OR GENDER, OF THE PERSON WAS, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW HOW WE START DIVING INTO THAT.
ROB FALK: IT'S A BIG IT'S A BIG LEAP PATRICK AND AND YOU'RE SEEING IT.
ROB FALK: SOMETIMES A CAR STOP NOW LET'S FACE IT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A REASON FOR A CAR STOP YOU CAN'T JUST STOP A CAR, BECAUSE IT'S BEING OPERATED BY.
ROB FALK: AS AN EARLIER EXAMPLE A HISPANIC FEMALE IS DRIVING IT THAT'S NOT A REASON TO STOP A CAR, BUT IF THERE'S A ROBBERY IN WHITE PLAINS AND THIS PART IS DESCRIBED AS.
ROB FALK: WHO MALE WHITES ARE DRIVING A GREEN CAR THAT JUST ROB BLOOMINGDALE'S AND A CAR NOW WITH TO WHITES IN IT THAT'S COLORED GREEN COMES OFF AT 287 THE OFFICER MAY WANT TO STOP THAT CAR AND PART OF IT WILL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OFFICER ON HIS INITIAL PAD TICKET CAN COMPUTER GENERATED TACTIC.
ROB FALK: HE'LL NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, NOW, AND NOT JUST PUT THE PLATE NUMBER AND HE'S GONNA HAVE TO PUT THE PLATE NUMBER AND PUT IT SORT OF A CODE THAT SAYS ALARM OUT OF WHITE PLAINS AND IT CAN.
ROB FALK: LATER BE.
ROB FALK: TRACKED IF THE PERSON CLAIMS WE PULLED THE CAR OVER BE CAUSE HIS BUDDY WAS WHITE AND THE CAR.
TED LIVINGSTON: GUY I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THAT AND I COMPLETELY RESPECT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL TRYING TO PROMOTE FAIRNESS AND EQUAL TREATMENT, AS IT SHOULD, AS WE SHOULD, I JUST THINK PERHAPS A MORE EFFICIENT BETTER WAY WOULD BE TO MAKE MORE ACCESSIBLE.
TED LIVINGSTON: THE COMPLAINT PROCESS TO THE PUBLIC.
TED LIVINGSTON: YOU MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE ON THE WEBSITE, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE LET YOU KNOW THE COMPLAINT FORM IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH HIGHLIGHTING WHERE TO GO BECAUSE.
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TED LIVINGSTON: I THINK AT THE ROOT OF THIS I'M BOTHERED AT THE END OF IT IF WE'RE DOING AN ANALYSIS BASED ON CHECKBOXES AND CONCLUDE SOMETHING WAS IMPROPER AND YET THE PERSON WHO WAS SUMMONED OR ARRESTED. TED LIVINGSTON: IS NOT BOTHERED HAS NOT EVER FILED A COMPLAINT HAS PLED GUILTY ADMITTED THE CRIME.
TED LIVINGSTON: I'M BOTHERED BY THAT POTENTIAL SCENARIO THAT I SEE UNFOLDING BY US TRYING TO DO SOMETHING AND THEN I THINK GABLE ALSO BROUGHT UP A VERY VALID POINT WHICH IS IF SOMEBODY'S GETTING A PARKING TICKET.
TED LIVINGSTON: OR PULLED OVER FOR SPEEDING YOU START ASKING THEM WHAT THE RELIGION IS OR WHAT THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS.
TED LIVINGSTON: I MEAN YOU TALK ABOUT I THINK I I I COULD SEE THAT AS A POTENTIAL FOR DISASTER I SEEING SEEING THAT IS COMPLETELY DEFEATING THE.
TED LIVINGSTON: THE WHOLE POINT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, WHICH IS TO YOU KNOW ALLAY PEOPLE'S CONCERNS THAT WE'RE OUR DEPARTMENTS ON THE UP AND UP AND THAT WE'RE TREATING EVERYONE FAIRLY REGARDLESS.
TED LIVINGSTON: OF RACE, RELIGION, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, SO I JUST FROM A FROM A FROM A HOW IT'S GOING TO PLAY OUT STANDPOINT I JUST ASKED IT.
TED LIVINGSTON: I.
ROB FALK: THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
ROB FALK: IS COME UP WITH OUR SCORECARD IS FOR YOUR DEMOGRAPHICS, WHAT WHAT IS THE SCORECARD WE'RE USING WHEN YOU GO TO THE US, YOU KNOW SENTENCE.
ROB FALK: DEMOGRAPHICS ARE ASKING INCOME, HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN A HOUSEHOLD THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE YOU KNOW SO MAYBE IF YOU NARROW DOWN THE DEMOGRAPHICS, OF WHAT YOU WANT.
ROB FALK: AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS A FEEL BETTER EXERCISE, BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF COMPLAINTS WE GET ARE NOT BEING GENERATED BY WERE RACIST BIASED POLICE DEPARTMENT CORDS WHATEVER.
SHAHID B. MALIK: I THINK, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, IF I MAY SUGGEST THAT I THINK WE ARE, WE ARE SORT OF DELVING TOO MUCH INTO AN ISSUE WHICH.
SHAHID B. MALIK: CAN BE ADDRESSED IN A DIFFERENT FORM, I THINK THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW IS NOT THAT WE WE ARE DEFINED WITH.
SHAHID B. MALIK: ASKING THE POLICE TO START ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POLICE STOP I THINK YOU HAVE YOUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES WHICH WE RESPECT, I THINK THE ISSUE REALLY IS ABOUT.
SHAHID B. MALIK: DATA THAT'S BEEN COLLECTED, WHICHEVER WAY YOU COLLECTED AND IF THE COMMITTEE OR THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICHEVER WE MAY CALL IT.
SHAHID B. MALIK: IF DOWN THE ROAD THEY FEEL THAT SOME OF THESE POLICIES NEED TO BE MODIFIED, THEN THEY SHOULD BE HONEST DIALOGUE WITH THE POLICE.
SHAHID B. MALIK: IN TERMS OF WHETHER THERE IS NEED FOR MODIFICATION OR NOT, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS SUGGESTING THAT WE SHOULD START CHANGING THE PRACTICE AND THE POLICIES OF POLICE RIGHT NOW.
SUSAN WATSON: ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE DEALT WITH WAS WE ALL AGREED ON RACE, GENDER AND AGE, THE OFFICERS PERCEPTION OF BUT THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION OF WHAT IF THE OFFICER IS NOT PERCEIVING.
SUSAN WATSON: THAT PERSON TO BE WHAT THAT PERSON IDENTIFIES WITH AND WE GOT WE GOT INTO A NOT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT LISA DO YOU WANT TO EMBELLISH ON THAT.
SUSAN WATSON: BECAUSE THAT WAS QUITE A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT SHOULD THEY ASKED OR NOT ASK, ARE WE TAKING THE OFFICERS WORD FOR IT OR HIS PERCEPTION IN THAT I, IT WAS IT WAS LIKE IT WAS A NIGHT.
LISA DOMINICI: IT WAS A LONG DISCUSSION, AND I THINK IT RESULTED IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
LISA DOMINICI: BECAUSE IT CAME DOWN TO PERCEPTION AND THEN HOW THE PERSON SELF IDENTIFIED RIGHT AND THERE WAS SOME INTEREST IN YOU KNOW WE THOUGHT THAT THOSE DATA POINTS WERE IMPORTANT TO HAVE.
LISA DOMINICI: AND IT'S YOU KNOW IT'S SO THEN, SO WE DID DISCUSS THAT AND THEN THIS MORNING, I WAS IN A CONVERSATION AND.
LISA DOMINICI: WITH A MEMBER OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND TALKING ABOUT THIS, I KIND OF IN IN VERBALIZING IT I STARTED THINKING MORE ABOUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET A WALK AWAY FROM ANY SORT OF BIAS RIGHT RELATED TO STOPPING A CAR.
LISA DOMINICI: WIRELESS WE SHOULD WE SHOULDN'T BE ASKING THE POLICE TO THINK MORE ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW SO IT'S A IT'S IT'S A.
LISA DOMINICI: IT'S A CONUNDRUM LIKE YOU SAID, IT IS A NOT SO MAYBE WE'RE GETTING INTO THE WEEDS TOO MUCH.
DANIEL LOVE: BUT ASK A QUESTION JUST ABOUT CURRENT PRACTICE IS ANY OF THIS COLLECTED NOW IN ANY FORM.
SUSAN WATSON: IT WILL WE ASKED FOR THAT THAT WAS ONE OF OUR SUBCOMMITTEES IDEA WE ASKED FOR THAT KIND OF DATA AND THEY SAID, WE WERE TOLD THEY DON'T HAVE IT AND WE WEREN'T.
ROB FALK: WELL I'M SORRY TO COMPUTER FROZE I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT.
ROB FALK: WAS IT.
DANIEL LOVE: ENDED ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED A.
DANIEL LOVE: QUESTION I'M JUST ASKING SORT OF WHAT PRACTICE IS CURRENTLY THIS IS PROPOSED CHANGE.
DANIEL LOVE: DO WE CORRECT ANY KIND OF DEMOGRAPHIC DATA AT ALL WITH STOPS AND.
ROB FALK: I DO HAVE AN ARREST TOTAL UM YOU.
LISA DOMINICI: KNOW DEMOGRAPHIC.
GABE CAPUTO: DATA, THE ONLY TIME WE.
GABE CAPUTO: COLLECT THAT TYPE OF DEMOGRAPHIC IS WHEN WE MAKE AN ARREST, SO WE MAKE AN ARREST, WE THOUGHT A PEDIGREE SHEET, WHICH WILL CAPTURE EVERYTHING THAT THE PERSON WE ARREST GIVES US.
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GABE CAPUTO: YOU KNOW, INCLUDING YOU KNOW RELIGION MARITAL STATUS, ETHNICITY, ETC, BUT THAT'S ONLY A REST AND WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR REST BOOK WHICH EVERYTHING'S HANDWRITTEN OR GO THROUGH ALL THE FILES AND TO FIND THOSE DEMOGRAPHICS. GREG USRY: DAN TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THERE'S THERE'S VERY THERE'S CURRENTLY AND I CAN'T SAY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE AFTERMATH THERE'S VERY FEW COMMUNITIES, WHETHER THEY BE CITIES, TOWNS OR VILLAGES OR COUNTIES.
GREG USRY: THAT ARE CURRENTLY COLLECTING THAT KIND OF DATA, THERE IS A THERE ARE A FEW, I GUESS, AS I THINK ABOUT THIS LISA IS THAT.
GREG USRY: I DO WE NEED TO GET INTO THE GRANULARITY OF WHAT WE WANT TO COLLECT, OR IS IT A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY ENDEAVOR OR THAT THERE IS A PLAN.
GREG USRY: TO PUT IN PLACE A PROCESS THAT WILL PROVIDE MORE TRANSPARENCY AND MORE INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITY TO THE NATURE OF OF OF STOCKS AND I'M NOT BEING VERY ARTICULATE ABOUT IT BUT.
GREG USRY: IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS IT GIVES, THEREFORE, WHETHER IT IS THE NEW ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR WHETHER IT'S THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE CITY AT LARGE, THE TIME TO ACTUALLY.
GREG USRY: COME UP WITH SOME OF THESE YOU KNOW PROTOCOLS, BECAUSE, AS WE SIT HERE TODAY I'M NOT SURE ANYBODY, INCLUDING ME IS IS A POSITION TO SAY THIS IS HOW YOU COLLECTED, AND THIS IS EXACTLY THE DATA THAT WE NEED TO BE COOL.
SUSAN WATSON: BUT IT WASN'T OUR UNDERSTANDING.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: THAT THE SOFT GREAT BACK TO YOUR POINT ALSO TO ADD ON TO THAT IS OKAY SO LET'S SAY WE.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: STOPPED 30% HISPANICS 20% BLACKS PROBABLY LIKE THAT, WHY DID WE STOP AND FOR WHAT REASON WAS IT THAT THEIR CAR HAD SOMETHING THAT WAS WRONG WITH THE CAR AND.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: ARE WE TELLING THE POLICE, NO, WE CAN'T STOP THEM BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT QUOTA AND THEN I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WANT TO JUST CONCENTRATE ON THAT AND NOT UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE STOPPING.
LISA DOMINICI: IT WOULD BE.
LISA DOMINICI: I THINK IT'S LOOKING, I THINK, IS LOOKING AT ALL THE DATA, I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THIS PROCESS, I MEAN PART OF THE PROCESS IS JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING'S NOT IN PLACE AND ISN'T DONE DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULDN'T BE IN PLACE AND IT SHOULDN'T BE DONE RIGHT SO.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO COLLECT BECAUSE I WAS, I THINK WE WERE GOING ONLY ON DEMOGRAPHICS, BUT I WANTED TO KNOW WHO ARE, WHY ARE WE STOPPING PEOPLE.
SUSAN WATSON: IS TO CAROLINA THAT.
SUSAN WATSON: I MEAN THE NOTION OF COLLECTING THE DATA WAS ABOUT NOT NOT SO MUCH THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND ANY WRONGDOING BY THE COPS THAT WE CAN'T PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING IT WRONG IF WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA.
SUSAN WATSON: SO THAT IT ATTRACTS THEM AS AS WELL AS IT PROTECTS THE COMMUNITY OR.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: GAY BY.
THE LAST TIME.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: GRAPHICS.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: YEAH WELL.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: AGAIN I THINK THERE'S A LOT HERE AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE IT, BUT I THINK.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: AND I SHOULDN'T SAY THIS, MAYBE WE RESOLVED, IT PROBABLY ISN'T APPROPRIATE TO GO UP TO A CAR AND START ASKING ALL THESE QUESTIONS, BUT IF YOU KNOW IF YOU GIVE A PARKING TICKET I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT THE PEOPLE ARE NOT IN THE CAR, SO WE CAN MAYBE TAKE THAT OUT OF IT.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY ISSUE A SUMMONS, BE IT FOR A TAILLIGHT OR SPEEDING OR ANYTHING YOU HAVE THE DRIVER'S LICENSE DOES THE DRIVER'S LICENSE IN THE STATE DATA DATABASE.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: IT'S GOING TO GIVE YOU THE AGE IT'S GOING TO GIVE YOU MALE OR FEMALE, OR WHATEVER THEY HAVE AVAILABLE THERE IS IT DOES IT DOES THE MOTOR VEHICLE HAVE ANYTHING WITH RACE IN IT.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: ALRIGHT, SO IT DOESN'T SO THAT THAT'S NOT YOU KNOW AT LEAST WE CAN HAVE AGE AND GENDER.
GABE CAPUTO: AND IF.
GABE CAPUTO: IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE REASON WHY WE STOPPED.
GABE CAPUTO: EVERY SUMMONS THAT'S ISSUED TELLS YOU THE REASON AT LEAST ONE OF THEM WHY YOU'RE STOPPED, SO YOU CAN RUN A CORRELATION YOU HAVE THAT WE CAN GIVE YOU.
ROB FALK: THAT SUPPORT WHERE WE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE AS IF YOU OFFICERS DISCRETION, IF HE HAS ANY DISCRETION LEFT TO UTILIZE.
ROB FALK: WOULD BE TO GIVE THEM A WARNING NOW CAN YOU OFFICER INDICATE ON HIS CAT TICKET, IT WILL INDICATE AT A WARNING POSITION AND AT THAT POINT HE COULD INDICATE.
ROB FALK: THE ONLY THERE'S ONLY ONE DEPARTMENT WESTCHESTER DOES IT IS MALE WHITE 50 YEARS OLD, ON THE CAT TICKET TO GATHER THAT DATA AT THIS POINT BEAT HALF THE HAND CHURCH EVERY TACTIC BY TRAFFIC STOP WHICH IS MANPOWER THAT'S ALL IT'S JUST MANPOWER TO SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH EVERY TRAFFIC STOP.
SUSAN WATSON: THAT ARE PUT INTO SOME DATABASE AFTER THEY.
SUSAN WATSON: COME IN FOR THE DAY.
ROB FALK: NO.
SUSAN WATSON: OH.
ROB FALK: I DECIDED NOT AT THIS POINT ISN'T THERE IT'S NOT GATHERED TODAY WHO'S REALLY UP UNTIL THIS YEAR IT REALLY HASN'T BEEN A HOT TOPIC AND I UNDERSTAND IT, THE HOT TOPIC, AND WE ALL WANT TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT OURSELVES AND BE ABLE TO STAND PROUD AND SAY.
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ROB FALK: MARTIN ENVIRONMENTS DOING IT. ROB FALK: RIGHT SO IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT AGAIN I'M LOOKING TO DO IT NOW IS MANPOWER IN THE FUTURE, CAN WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT DOES IT FOR US SO CHECK THE BOX AND WE GATHER THAT INFORMATION I'M SURE THERE'S SOME WAY BUT WE'RE POLICE OFFICERS SO.
ROB FALK: YEAH I THINK.
LISA DOMINICI: THAT'S WHY.
LISA DOMINICI: I THINK THAT'S WHY IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE IT'S LIKE IF THEIR SOFTWARE OUT THERE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO COLLECT THE DATA AT THE TIME OF THE STOP THEN IT'S EASY TO COLLECT THAT DATA AND IT'S NOT CUMBERSOME THAT WAS KIND OF HOW OUR CONVERSATION WAS.
ROB FALK: ISN'T FEEL GOOD EXERCISE MY MY QUESTION IS, WE WANTED THE VERY END OF THIS THIS SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO SAY WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT.
LISA DOMINICI: I THINK, TO SUSAN GO AHEAD.
AMANDA YANNETT: IT'S OKAY LISA YOU CAN GO.
LISA DOMINICI: NO, I SAID I ARE SO THE CONVERSATION WITH OUR COMMITTEE WAS THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED IS IT.
LISA DOMINICI: IT ALL SHINES REALLY BRIGHTLY ON OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT RIGHT SO NONE OF US ARE SAYING ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT AND SO PART OF THE CONVERSATION, LIKE THE BODY CAMS IS.
LISA DOMINICI: MORE TIMES THAN NOT IT PROTECTS THE POLICE OR IT SHOWS THE DATA THAT WE YOU KNOW IT'S EASY TO REFUTE WHEN YOU HAVE DATA RIGHT, WE CAN SAY NO WE'RE NOT WE DON'T HAVE A FORCE THAN NOT THAT ANYONE'S YOU KNOW IT JUST IT'S.
LISA DOMINICI: IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THE DATA.
ROB FALK: JUST YOU KNOW DATA.
ROB FALK: IS SOLID PROOF I GET IT.
ROB FALK: BUT YOU'RE YEARS HAS BEEN JUST LIKE THIS COMMITTEE TO GATHER INFORMATION ON OUR INTERNAL INVESTIGATION, WHICH IS REAL IMPORTANT.
ROB FALK: AND, AND THE SHOCK OF WATCHING NEW PEOPLE WHEN YOU SAID WELL THERE WAS ONLY FOR THIS YEAR THERE'S ONLY SIX THIS YEAR IT'S NOT A LOT.
ROB FALK: YESTERDAY, I RECEIVED A COMPLAINT FROM A PERSON KNOWN TO ME HERE AND RYAN IT'S FAMILIAR WITH THE REFORM COMMITTEES FUNCTIONS AND STUFF AND A FRIEND OF HERS.
ROB FALK: TOUCHED THAT CALLED HER OR TEXTED HER THAT SHE'S NEVER COME INTO RIGHT AND BECAUSE, ONCE AGAIN, SHE GOT STOPPED BY THE POLICE AND GOING TO STOP WHAT SHE'S BLACK.
ROB FALK: SO NOW, IN THIS DAY AND AGE, I GET A CALL LIKE THAT, FROM A FRIEND.
ROB FALK: CAN YOU HAVE THE PERSON WEEKS UP COME IN AND IF SHE FEELS THIS WAY I'D LIKE HER TO COME IN AND EXPLAIN IT TO ME WELL AFTER I GATHERED SOME INFORMATION, WE HAD A CAR NUMBER ARE 13 I WENT THROUGH THAT OFFICERS.
ROB FALK: LE STOPS AND ACTIVITY AND I FOUND A TRAFFIC STOP IN THE NAME OF THE OWNER OF THE CAR WAS THE SAME NAME IS PERSON AND BUG DO, WHICH IS STILL NOT COMPLAINING AND I CLICK ON THIS PERSON'S PLATE NUMBER AND THAT CARS BEEN STOPPED FIVE TIMES IN THE CITY AWRY IN THREE DAYS.
ROB FALK: BECAUSE THE LPR IS ON OUR PATROL CARS ARE SHOWING THE SUSPENDED REGISTRATION ON THAT CAR A CAR, HAS NOT BEEN STOPPED BECAUSE SHE'S A FEMALE BLACK IT'S BECAUSE THE REGISTRATION SUSPENDED, BUT SHE KEEPS GOING OVER TO BREAK DOES NOT PAYING OR VOLTS.
ROB FALK: AND I'M NOT A COLLECTION AGENCY FOR THE GOVERNOR TO MAKE HIS THROUGH A SYSTEM WORK I'M WORRIED ABOUT I KNOW WE DIDN'T LOOK AT CAR I'LL LOOK YOU SHAKE.
TED LIVINGSTON: ROBB LET ME ADD THIS TO I THINK THE MOST CRITICAL STATISTIC IS LEFT OFF ALL OF THIS, WHICH IS ULTIMATELY DID THE DEFENDANT PLEAD GUILTY UNDER OATH UPON ADVICE OF COUNSEL AFTER REVIEWING THE EVIDENCE WHAT'S THE RESOLUTION.
TED LIVINGSTON: WHAT IS THE RESOLUTION, I CAN PULL THOSE NUMBERS IN THE OFFICE, I CAN TELL YOU HOW MANY RANTS AND ARRAIGNMENTS OCCURRED AND RICE CITY.
TED LIVINGSTON: AND WHAT THE RESOLUTION WAS OF THOSE CASES, BECAUSE WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IF THE PERSON PULLED OVER IS ADMITTING THEY WERE GUILTY OF WHATEVER THEY WERE CHARGED OR PLED GUILTY TO ONE OF THE INFRACTIONS TO SATISFY THE OTHERS.
TED LIVINGSTON: THEN YOU HAVE A LAWFUL A LEGITIMATE BASIS FOR THE STOP OR THE ARREST.
TED LIVINGSTON: WHICH IS CONCEDED BY THE VERY PERSON BEING ARRESTED, SO I THINK THAT'S A CRITICAL THING AS WELL TO ADD TO THIS IF IF AGAIN.
TED LIVINGSTON: YOU KNOW, AND I KEEP COMING I CAME BACK TO THIS DURING OUR SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS 37 POLICE OFFICERS 24,000 CALLS FOR SERVICE A YEAR, I WOULD HOPE WE ALL KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN WE ARE LOOKING TO ADD ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES TO EACH OFFICER BECAUSE THAT'S AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY.
BEN STACKS: FOLKS I'M REALLY SORRY I GOTTA LEAVE, I HAVE A BACK TO BACK CALL TODAY, SO I APOLOGIZE, BUT I HAVE TO CHECK THANKS.
GUY DEMPSEY: WELL, PERHAPS WE HAVE ACTUALLY USE THE TIME WISELY TO COVER TWO VERY CONTROVERSIAL TOPICS, I THINK THAT HAS GIVEN LISA AND MYSELF A LOT MORE BASIS FOR DOING OUR HOMEWORK.
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GUY DEMPSEY: AND, AS WE SAID, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE FOR US TO PULL TOGETHER THE SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS INTO ONE COHERENT LIST. GUY DEMPSEY: THEN WE DO THE STEP BY STEP, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH EVERY RECOMMENDATION, SO THAT ULTIMATELY THERE'S A CONSENSUS VIEW.
GUY DEMPSEY: BY THIS FULL COMMITTEE ON EACH OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE'RE GOING TO PUT FORWARD AND LISA, WE ARE ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT THERE'S UP THE PUBLIC LISTENING SESSION FOR THIS FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE MARCH 9 IS EVERY.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO WE WILL HAVE A CONSOLIDATED SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS OUT TO YOU SOMETIME BY THE END OF THE WEEKEND.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER MEETING NEXT WEEK OR HAVE AS MANY MEETINGS AS WE NEED FOR THE FULL COMMITTEE TO GET THROUGH THAT FULL LIST.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND AT THAT POINT, AND THEN WE HAVE TO TURN THAT FULL LIST OF PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS TO OVER TO THE PUBLIC FOR COMMENT, WHICH WILL BECOME AN ENDING IN THE PUBLIC LISTENING SESSION I'M WATCHING.
TED LIVINGSTON: IT GUYS, I REALLY LIKED JEN'S SUGGESTION ABOUT MAKING IT CLEAR WHETHER IT'S IN DIFFERENT COLORING OR WHATEVER IT'S ABOUT SO THAT WE AS READERS CAN IDENTIFY WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM.
TED LIVINGSTON: PLANS THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
LISA DOMINICI: AGREED YEAH OKAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE TODAY, THANK YOU.
TED LIVINGSTON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ROB FALK: EVERYBODY THANK YOU.
LISA DOMINICI: THANK YOU.
JENN BOYLE: THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
