GUY DEMPSEY: APOLOGIES FOR THAT LITTLE BIT OF A KERFUFFLE AT THE BEGINNING HERE.
[Rye Recommendation Review on March 1, 2021]
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GUY DEMPSEY: WE SAW YOU ON. LISA DOMINICI: I AM OKAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: WELL, I GUESS, WE CAN.
GUY DEMPSEY: CALL MYSELF.
GUY DEMPSEY: ORDER.
LISA DOMINICI: OH YEAH AND THE MARATHON OKAY GREAT.
JOSH COHN: OKAY, IF WE'RE READY TO START, I ASKED TO HAVE A MINUTE AT THE BEGINNING.
GUY DEMPSEY: SORRY, WE IS NO GOOD HONOR SOMEBODY WHO CAN PRESS THE RECORD BUTTON.
LISA DOMINICI: YES, I BELIEVE THAT.
GREG USRY: GUY IT'S NOW BEING RECORDED.
GUY DEMPSEY: OKAY, THANK YOU.
GUY DEMPSEY: AMERICAN.
JOSH COHN: THANK YOU.
JOSH COHN: WELCOME EVERYONE AS I LOOK AT THE CALENDAR I'M CONCERNED THAT WE STILL HAVE SO MUCH TO DO BY WAY OF FINALIZING RECOMMENDATIONS, AT THE SAME TIME I'M REASSURED.
JOSH COHN: THAT THE FACT THAT WE'RE STILL HAVING DEBATES SHOWS THAT THIS COMMITTEE HAS WITHIN IT THE DIVERSITY OF OPINION THAT IS CONVENER HOPE TO SEE.
JOSH COHN: NOW'S THE TIME, HOWEVER, FOR.
JOSH COHN: US WANTING THEIR COMMON GROUND.
JOSH COHN: IN DOING SO, I ASKED US TO REMEMBER A FEW GENERALITIES.
JOSH COHN: FIRST WE'RE ACTING AS IN FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR COMMUNITY INCLUDES LEAST.
JOSH COHN: MANY OF OUR DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS SHOW A DESIRE TO INTEGRATE OUR POLICE FORCE MORE INTO OUR COMMUNITY OUR POLICE ARE HERE AT THE TABLE WITH US UNDERSTANDING, I BELIEVE, HOW IMPORTANT AND VALUABLE THIS EFFORT IS TO ALL OF US.
JOSH COHN: WE HAVE A CITY GOVERNMENTAL STRUCTURE DICTATED BY LAW, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FIT WITHIN THAT STRUCTURE AND WITHIN THE GREATER BODY OF LAW, IN WHICH THE CITY OPERATES.
JOSH COHN: WE NEED TO DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE PRACTICAL AND DOABLE OR IF THEY ARE ASPIRATIONAL WE MUST CLEARLY INDICATE THAT SO THAT EARNEST EFFORTS WILL BE APPRECIATED, EVEN IF FULL IMPLEMENTATION MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE.
JOSH COHN: FINALLY, MY CONSTANT AND CONSTANTLY RENEWED THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND SPECIAL THANKS I'M SURE FROM ALL OF US TO OUR CO CHAIRS LISA DOMENICI AND GUY DEMPSEY.
JOSH COHN: THANKS GUY AND LISA.
GUY DEMPSEY: THANK YOU JOSH.
GUY DEMPSEY: MINDFUL OF THE THE TIMING ISSUE THAT JOSH MENTIONED.
GUY DEMPSEY: WE WERE WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS ULTIMATELY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A COMMITTEE CONSENSUS BUT LISA AND I THOUGHT WE SHOULD START TODAY WITH.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE SETS RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE AT LEAST SUPERFICIALLY, BEEN THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL IN THE DISCUSSIONS TO DATE AND SEE IF WE CAN WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE AND LEAVE SOME OF THE SIMPLER ISSUES TO A TO A LATER TIME.
GUY DEMPSEY: THOSE TWO ISSUES ARE THAT THE NATURE OF STATISTICS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO COLLECT ABOUT POLICE ACTIVITY AND THE SECOND IS THE NATURE OF THE.
GUY DEMPSEY: CIVILIAN COMMITTEE WE'RE PROPOSING WOULD BE TAKE UP TO THE WORK GOING FORWARD.
GUY DEMPSEY: TAKING THE FIRST OF THESE, I THINK WE HAVE.
GUY DEMPSEY: THIS ISN'T CAPSULE WEIGHTED IN.
GUY DEMPSEY: RECOMMENDATIONS.
GUY DEMPSEY: WELL.
GUY DEMPSEY: 1314 AND 19.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR COLLECTING STOP DATA COLLECTING DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION.
GUY DEMPSEY: CREATING A POLICY FOR REVIEWING THE STOP DATA AND THEN ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT RETAINING A PROFESSIONAL REVIEW STATISTICAL ANALYSIS HAVING THE RIGHT CITY COUNCIL REVIEW THE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS AND POTENTIALLY RECOMMEND RECOMMEND DISCIPLINE FOR ANY OFFICER ACCUSED OF BIAS.
GUY DEMPSEY: FINALLY, A IF THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE A CAPACITY TO DO THE ANALYSIS TO CREATE A CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK, OBVIOUSLY IN.
GUY DEMPSEY: RECOMMENDATIONS THEY'RE THEY'RE SORT OF SEEM TO BE TO POTENTIAL.
GUY DEMPSEY: YOU KNOW SPIES TO THE CONVERSATION ONE IS THAT WE SHOULD.
GUY DEMPSEY: WE SHOULD STUDY WHAT DATA SHOULD BE COLLECTED.
GUY DEMPSEY: IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE START COLLECTING DATA WE ACTUALLY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE IT FOR THE PURPOSE OF CREATING BETTER POLICING FOR RYAN, WHICH IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL, THIS COMMITTEE.
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GUY DEMPSEY: AND THE ALTERNATE FEE OR THIS OTHER. GUY DEMPSEY: POLAR EXTREME IS THAT WE NEED TO COLLECT ALL THIS DATA, TO MAKE SURE.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT WE DON'T WE ARE ROOTING OUT ANY BIAS THAT'S ITS PRESENT IN THE SYSTEM NOW.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND THAT WE CAN ONLY DO THAT BY HAVING A STATISTICAL OVERLAY TO THE MORE ANECDOTAL INFORMATION WE'VE BEEN GETTING IN THE COURSE OF THE COMPLETE COMMITTEE DELIBERATIONS.
GUY DEMPSEY: I GUESS YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE I SHOULD ANOTHER GENERAL POINT IS THAT, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CANNOT OBTAIN A CONSENSUS ON ANY PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK WE WOULD ULTIMATELY END UP HAVING TO VOTE ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE A FAIR HEARING TO EVERYBODY, BUT, BUT ONLY PUT FOR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT AS JOSH SAID, ARE.
GUY DEMPSEY: YOU KNOW, REFLECT THE GROUP THINK AND ALSO WE THINK ARE INHERENTLY IMPLEMENTABLE IN A MATERIAL AND CONCRETE WAY THAT CAN BE MEASURED.
GUY DEMPSEY: I'D LIKE TO SPEAK.
COREY STARK: TO THAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S A IT ACCURATELY ENCAPSULATES THE TWO ISSUES.
COREY STARK: WHETHER I KNOW OUR LABOR LAWYER BELIEVES THAT A STUDY IS.
COREY STARK: BY THE WAY, I JUST WANT TO ANNOUNCE TO THE GROUP I'M A LABOR AND EMPLOYMENT LAWYER FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS, SO I DISAGREE WITH MUCH OF THE MEMO THAT WAS WRITTEN BY THE TOWN.
COREY STARK: LABOR AND EMPLOYMENT LAWYER, BECAUSE, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IT LACKS SUBSTANCE THERE'S NO CITATION TO AUTHORITY THERE'S IT, I MEAN I'VE NEVER SEEN AN OPINION LETTER LIKE.
GUY DEMPSEY: HEY COREY LET'S SAY.
COREY STARK: WE WANT TO.
COREY STARK: FOCUS ON WHAT YOU'RE LIKE OKAY FINE, I WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT BECAUSE I WANT TO EXPLAIN MY EMAIL THE OTHER THING I WANT TO EXPLAIN IS THE RECORD KEEPING.
COREY STARK: DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION IS NOT WHAT WAS DESCRIBED THE PURPOSE OF IT IS TWOFOLD IT'S TO PROTECT THE POLICE.
COREY STARK: TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC, SO AT OUR FIRST LISTENING SESSION THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT CAME ON AND SAID I LOVE THE POLICE, THEY DON'T ENGAGE IN ANY KIND OF BIAS, PLEASE.
COREY STARK: THAT MAY BE TRUE, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S TRUE IT ISN'T BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT ISSUE WHATSOEVER, THE NEW YORK REFORM AND REINVENTION COLLABORATIVE WORKBOOK SECTION TO SECTION TWO ONE ALMOST PRIMARILY FOCUSES ON THE NEED TO COLLECT DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION.
COREY STARK: THERE IS NO I MEAN THAT'S ALMOST 90% OF WHAT BOYS IN THERE, THE NEED TO COLLECT DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION AND WHY DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION IS NECESSARY.
COREY STARK: I LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY THAT IT'S NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE POLICE AS WELL.
COREY STARK: BECAUSE WHAT WE DID IS WE HAVE WE WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT IN THIS IN THIS ENDEAVOR IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE INFORMATION WHEN WE USE THAT INFORMATION.
COREY STARK: WHAT IS STRIKING TO ME IS THE LACK OF INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE OR THE THE OPINION LETTER FROM THE LABOR LAWYER SAYS THAT.
COREY STARK: PERCEPTIONS ARE DANGEROUS AND THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL MISUNDERSTANDING, WHAT IS THE ROOT OF DISCRIMINATION, THE PERSON THAT IS MAKING THE PERCEPTION.
COREY STARK: THEIR PERCEPTION IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT IF SOMEONE I SELF IDENTIFIES AS AFRICAN AMERICAN BUT THEY'RE PERCEIVED TO BE SOMETHING ELSE AND IT'S THE PERSON WHO'S MAKING THE DECISIONS.
COREY STARK: BASED ON THEIR PERCEPTIONS THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT SO IN THE LAW WHAT'S PROTECTED IS NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING NOT NECESSARILY SOMEONE'S MEMBERSHIP IN A PROTECTED CATEGORY.
COREY STARK: BUT IT'S THE PERCEPTION OF THEIR MEMBERSHIP IN A PROTECTED CATEGORY.
COREY STARK: THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, SO I BELIEVE SOMEONE'S ASIAN AND THEY'RE NOT AND I TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEY'RE ASIAN IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEY REALLY IF THEY'RE REALLY ASIAN OR NOT IT'S MY PERCEPTION.
COREY STARK: SO THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THIS IS ACTUALLY RECORDING THE POLICE PERCEPTION OF WHO IT IS THEY'VE STOPPED PULLED OVER AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS NEXT AND LIKE I SAID, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART ABOUT THIS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IS IT PROTECTS THE POLICE OFFICE.
GUY DEMPSEY: COREY AND THANK YOU FOR THOSE POINTS I THINK THERE'S ONE OTHER IMPORTANT PIECE OF CONTEXT HERE, AND THAT IS DESPITE THE CURRENT LACK OF DATA, ONE THING THAT WILL HAPPEN AUTOMATICALLY WHEN THE BODY CAMERA.
GUY DEMPSEY: POLICY GOES INTO EFFECTIVENESS THAT PEOPLE START WEARING BODY CAMERAS, IS THAT WE WILL HAVE A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF VERY IMPORTANT REAL DATA NOT BASED ON PERCEPTIONS OF ANYTHING, IT WILL ACTUALLY BE THE DATA OF WHAT HAPPENS DURING ANY GIVEN STOP.
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COREY STARK: BUT. COREY STARK: THE PROBLEM WITH THAT GUY IS AGAIN IF I'M THE POLICE OFFICER AND I'M TAKING WHATEVER ACTION I'M TAKING.
COREY STARK: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU SEE THROUGH THE CAMERA IT'S THE PERCEPTION OF THE POLICE OFFICER AND HIS OR HER ACTIONS TOWARDS THAT PERSON, THAT IS WHAT THE ROOT OF ANY POTENTIAL.
COREY STARK: BIAS POLICING IS AND THAT WOULD BE THE THE DEFENSE IF SOMEONE SAYS, IF I LOOK AT A CAMERA, AND I SAY THAT PERSON IS OBVIOUSLY ASIAN.
COREY STARK: AND THE THE POLICE OFFICER VIEWS THAT PERSON IS BEING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, AND THEY RECORD THAT CERTAINLY THAT CAN BE CHALLENGED, BUT THAT THAT'S NOT THEIR TRUE PERCEPTION.
COREY STARK: BUT IT'S PERCEPTION THAT'S, THE MOST IMPORTANT, NOT THE OBJECTIVE OR SELF IDENTIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF SOMEONE'S MEMBERSHIP IN A PROTECTED GROUP.
SUSAN WATSON: REFERRING TO THIS IS THE POLICE'S IS COLLECTING THAT DATA ON A STOP BY STOP BASIS GUY, I THINK, TO GO TO RELY ON THE VIDEO CAMERA WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT THAT FILM EVERY DAY AND THAT'S JUST A HORRENDOUSLY HUGE TASK.
GUY DEMPSEY: NO IT'S NOT.
GUY DEMPSEY: A PART OF ME SUSAN.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE FIRST LEVEL OF INFORMATION IS THAT THEY ACTUALLY WILL HAVE DATA BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE WILL BE THERE, THE SECOND LAYER WOULD BE AS AN ALL.
GUY DEMPSEY: BUSINESS ORGANIZATIONS, THE SUPERVISORS, WOULD BE THE FIRST LINE OF REVIEWERS HAVE THAT DATA AND THEY WOULDN'T BE REVIEWING EVERY SINGLE MINUTE OF EVERY SINGLE HOUR, BUT WOULD BE REVIEWING IT ON PROBABLY A.
GUY DEMPSEY: YOU KNOW, A STATISTICALLY NO SAMPLING BASIS.
GUY DEMPSEY: TO SEE WHETHER THEY'RE, IN FACT, IS EVIDENCE OF BIAS I'M NOT SURE IF I FOLLOW COREYS POINT AT ALL ABOUT.
COREY STARK: THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A POLICEMAN PROCEEDS AND WHAT IT.
GUY DEMPSEY: DOES IF IT'S ALL CAPTURED ON ACCOUNT.
COREY STARK: ON THE CAMERA VIEW YOUR.
COREY STARK: COLLEAGUES, GETTING SCREWED.
COREY STARK: UPON THE PERCEPTION OF THE DISCRIMINATED IF I BELIEVE SOMEONE IS IN A MEMBERSHIP IS A MEMBER OF A PARTICULAR GROUP IT'S MY PERCEPTION THAT THAT IS IMPORTANT IF I BELIEVE SOMEONE'S DISABLED.
COREY STARK: IF I WILL LEAVE SOMEONE'S JEWISH AND THEY'RE NOT AND I TREAT THEM IN A PARTICULAR WAY, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEY ARE IN THAT GROUP I'M DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THEM, BASED UPON MY PERCEPTIONS.
COREY STARK: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEY REALLY ARE SO I'VE SEEN MANY, MANY, MANY EMPLOYERS FOR DISCRIMINATING AGAINST PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE PERCEIVED TO HAVE A DISABILITY.
COREY STARK: BECAUSE THEIR PERCEPTION IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT LET ME, LET ME SPEAK TO YOUR POINT OF HAVING SUPERVISORS REVIEW BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE.
COREY STARK: IT'S TOTALLY IMPRACTICAL FIRST OF THE SUPERVISORS WILL NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO REVIEW BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE SECOND OFF.
COREY STARK: YOU CAN'T KEEP BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE IT TAKES UP AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF SPACE.
COREY STARK: VIDEO AS YOU MIGHT KNOW FROM YOUR PHONE EXCEPT YOURS ALL YOUR SPACE IMMEDIATELY SO THAT'S WHY YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE.
COREY STARK: YOU'VE GOT TO FIND A RECORD KEEPING BASIS, THAT IS NOT BASED UPON OBJECTIVE VIDEO.
COREY STARK: I MEAN BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE IS IMPORTANT IN ANALYSIS I'M NOT SUGGESTING IT'S NOT BUT YOU'VE ALSO GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE KEEPING DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, SUSAN HAS INFORMED ME THAT THERE'S A TON OF.
COREY STARK: SOFTWARE OUT THERE FOR POLICE THAT SPECIFICALLY CAPTURES THIS INFORMATION SO IT'S IT'S ACTUALLY PRESSING BUTTONS TO CAPTURE THIS INFORMATION AND.
COREY STARK: I'M I CAN'T TELL YOU I CAN'T I CAN'T EXPRESS THIS ANY FURTHER IF WE AS A GROUP TO NOT KEEP DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION WE'VE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: CAN I CAN I.
TED LIVINGSTON: WANT TO.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: RAISE.
LISA DOMINICI: NOW I GOT.
TED LIVINGSTON: ARRESTED FOR SOMETHING.
LISA DOMINICI: OKAY HOLD ON PLEASE HOLD ON FOR A MINUTE.
LISA DOMINICI: YOU'RE GOING TO FOLLOW A PROCESS DURING THIS MEETING SO EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO SPEAK, THE PROCESS IS TO RAISE YOUR HAND USING THE FORM OF ZOOM WE'VE HAD THREE PEOPLE WAITING TO SPEAK, THE FIRST IS PATRICK THE SECOND IS JAMIE THE CERTAIN AMANDA.
LISA DOMINICI: FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO SPEAK, I THINK WE NEED TO RAISE OUR HANDS SO WE'RE NOT SHOUTING OVER EACH OTHER.
AND LISA DOMINICI: PATRICK, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, THANK YOU.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: SO I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH GENEVIEVE AND SHE CAN PUT HER TWO CENTS, I WANT TO SPEAK FOR HER, BUT I AGREE WE NEED THIS DATA AND THE FACT THAT NEW YORK STATE HAS ASKED US.
VINCE TOOMEY: TO IN.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS TO GET THIS DATA, SO WHY ARE THEY.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: PUTTING THE ONUS ON 400 AND SOMETHING MUNICIPALITIES TO DO THIS, WHY DON'T WE PUT IT BACK ON NEW YORK STATE AND SAY YOU ALREADY ASKED US FOR OUR ADDRESS OUR HEIGHT.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: OR I COLOR OKAY OUR SEXUAL IDENTITY.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: NOW IT'S I GUESS ONLY MALE FEMALE.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: SO WHY DON'T WE PUT THE RECOMMENDATION THAT NEW YORK STATE REQUIRE.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: PER THE LICENSEE OKAY TO SELF IDENTIFY.
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VINCE TOOMEY: THEIR RACE AND. PATRICK MCGOVERN: GENDER OKAY, AND THEN THAT IS AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY, I CAN'T IMAGINE PUTTING A POLICEMAN IN THE POSITION OF GOING UP TO SOME OF THAT THEY JUST PULLED OVER WHO ARE GENERALLY.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: NEVER HAPPY ABOUT THAT AND ASKING THEM, YOU KNOW HOW THEY IDENTIFY, I THINK THAT JUST SUCH RIGHT OFF THE BAT IT MAY TURN A SITUATION BAD THAT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE BAD I.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: I AGREE WITH MORRIE ABOUT.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: PERCEPTION, BUT THEN, ASSUMING THAT SOMEONE TREATED SOMEBODY AWAY BECAUSE OF THEIR PERCEIVED GRACE GOOD LUCK WITH THAT I ALSO JUST.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: I THINK WE'RE GOING DOWN A YOU KNOW, A RABBIT HOLE BUT.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: LET NEW YORK STATE WHO ASKED US TO DO THIS.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: GIVE US THE TOOLS TO DO THIS, WHY CAN'T THEY COLLECTED INFORMATION THEY COLLECTED IN A NUMBER OF OTHER WAYS OKAY.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: HEALTH FORUMS, ALL KINDS OF THINGS PEOPLE PUT IT ALL OVER THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA, SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BIG ASS TO SAY AND AND THEN IT'S NEW YORK STATE SAYING THIS, THAT SHOULD.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: PUT AWAY ANY YOU KNOW RIGHT POLICE ASKING THEM AND WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME, AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO THIS, AND I THINK IT'S JUST.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT TURNING OUT GOOD FOR ANYBODY, SO I AGREE WE NEED THE DATA, THE DATA WILL GIVE US WAY MORE THAN WE HAVE NOW, BECAUSE WE CAN LOOK AT.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE STOPPED HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE LET GO HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE TICKETED WHAT WAS THEIR RACE, GENDER, ALL THAT WILL HAVE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE IT UP TO WHAT I PERCEIVE THEM TO BECAUSE.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT, BUT PUT IT ON NEW YORK STATE OKAY, THEY ASKED US TO DO THIS WILL GIVE US THE TOOLS TO DO IT.
LISA DOMINICI: THANK YOU, PATRICK JAMIE YOU'RE NEXT.
LISA DOMINICI: AND YOU'RE MUTED.
JAMIE JENSEN: HI ALL GOOD MORNING.
JAMIE JENSEN: DID YOU ALL I'M NOT I DIDN'T WANT TO TALK TODAY, I SENT ALL OF YOU, THROUGH THE P ED COMMITTEE.
JAMIE JENSEN: EMAIL DID ANYBODY GET IT.
JAMIE JENSEN: I GOT IT.
JAMIE JENSEN: COREY KNOW WE GOT IT WE GOT A GUY GOT IT, SO I REALLY FEEL FRUSTRATED RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I SPENT A LOT OF TIME LIKE TWO HOURS GOING THROUGH EACH ACTIVATION AND WRITING ABOUT ALL OF THESE ISSUES SO I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW.
JAMIE JENSEN: I'M GOING TO RESET IT TO YOUR.
JAMIE JENSEN: PERSONAL EMAILS BECAUSE THE SYSTEM FAILED THAT SAID I'M.
JAMIE JENSEN: AMY YES.
LISA DOMINICI: THIS IS AN FYI CHECK.
LISA DOMINICI: AND YOU SENT IT TO THE PD REVIEW MENTALLY ILL AND NOT OUR COMMITTEE EMAIL SO THAT'S WHY ONLY GUY AND I RECEIVED IT, I DIDN'T KNOW I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT, SO YOU SAID.
JAMIE JENSEN: CHILDREN THANK YOU THAT'S HELPS THANK YOU I WILL BE LESS FRUSTRATED SORRY YOU ALL.
JAMIE JENSEN: I SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS.
JAMIE JENSEN: COREY I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS FAILURE OF IMPLEMENTATION, SO, WHILE THE GOAL IS GOOD, I WOULD HATE TO SEE US SCREW THIS UP BY FAILURE OF IMPLEMENTATION, SO WHAT I REALLY HOPE THAT WE WILL GET TO, OR THAT WE WILL GIVE CHARGED LISA AND GUY.
JAMIE JENSEN: AND GREG TO MAKE SURE IT'S VERY CLEAR IS THAT WE EXPECT THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS COMMUNITY.
JAMIE JENSEN: TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS A MANDATE OF THE NEW ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT'S GOING TO BE PUT FORWARD, WHATEVER FORM IT TAKES, THAT WE WILL FIGURE THIS OUT TO TRY TO COME TO SOME CONCLUSION NOW BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY TRIP WIRES.
JAMIE JENSEN: IS ALMOST GONNA MAKE IT WORSE, FOR US, SO I REALLY WANT TO EMBRACE WHAT COREY IS SAYING, BUT I ALSO WANT TO GIVE US THE SPACE AND THE MANDATE THAT THIS BE DONE.
JAMIE JENSEN: AND NOT TRY TO MAKE IT FOR THIS DEADLINE FOR $250,000 WHICH IS WHAT'S PISSING ME OFF ABOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS SO.
JAMIE JENSEN: SORRY, TO ACT ANGRY, BUT I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WRITING TO ALL OF YOU GUYS AND IT'S MY FAULT I DIDN'T GET IT TO YOU, SO I APOLOGIZE I'M GOING TO SHUT UP NOW AND I'M GOING TO RESEND IT.
LISA DOMINICI: AMANDA.
AMANDA YANNETT: UM YEAH I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT I FULLY AGREE WITH COREY AND JAMIE'S POINT THAT SHE JUST MADE, I FEEL VERY, VERY PASSIONATE AND STRONGLY ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF COLLECTING STOP DATA THAT WAS ONE OF MINE, AND SHE NEEDS SPECIFICALLY ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AMANDA YANNETT: I THINK, THOUGH, THAT IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW THAT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED, RIGHT NOW, SO THAT COULD BE.
AMANDA YANNETT: OUR RECOMMENDATION COULD BE THE MANDATE THAT THE LEADERSHIP WILL MANDATE THAT THIS IS DONE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE FOR OUR COMMITTEE BECAUSE, YES, IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR ALL OF US TO TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN OUR TIMELINE.
AMANDA YANNETT: AND I JUST WANT TO STRESS THAT I REALLY THINK STOP DATA NEEDS TO BE COLLECTED, GIVEN HOW COREY ALSO MENTIONED IT'S IN THE REFORM BOOK THERE'S BEEN MANY STUDIES DONE SUCH BY LIKE NYU SCHOOL OF LAW ABOUT WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO COLLECT STOP DATA AND.
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AMANDA YANNETT: ALSO, I ALSO AGREE THAT IT'S TOO MUCH TO ASK THE POLICE LEADERSHIP TO GO THROUGH ALL THE BODY BODY, WHERE CAMERA, IT WILL BE TOO MUCH, SO I THINK. WE DO NEED.
AMANDA YANNETT: SOFTWARE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO REALLY JUST INPUT, THE DATA, INSTEAD, AND IT CAN ALSO THEN RUN ANALYSES ON IT.
AMANDA YANNETT: WHICH WILL BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL SO THOSE ARE OPTIONS TO EXPLORE FOR THE NEXT COMMITTEE, MORE SO THAN OURS, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO MANDATE THAT WE COLLECT THAT DATA.
TED LIVINGSTON: CAN I SPEAK.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: IT TED.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: TED DOES IT TASTE IT YOU GOT IT.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: THERE'S A BUTTON ON THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN THAT YOU.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: RAISE YOUR HAND INSTEAD OF.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: PHYSICALLY DOING IT.
LISA DOMINICI: I CAN HAVE OH.
TED LIVINGSTON: YEAH.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: YOU KEPT GOING LIKE THIS THAT I WAS LIKE JUST HIT THE.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: BUTTON I DON'T.
TED LIVINGSTON: I DON'T I DON'T SEE THAT, BUT MAY I SPEAK LISA HER.
OR SHE MAY YES OKAY.
TED LIVINGSTON: I FIND MYSELF CONTINUALLY GOING BACK TO THE GOVERNOR'S MESSAGE COMPANY IS EXECUTIVE ORDER HERE, AND I QUOTE FROM THE GOVERNOR OKAY THAT.
TED LIVINGSTON: IT IS INCUMBENT ON US TO CONVENE A COMMITTEE OF STAKEHOLDERS, OR A FACT BASED DIALOGUE.
TED LIVINGSTON: ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS, SO WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT PERCEPTIONS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT EXIST WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FACTS AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE GLEANED VERY CLEARLY FROM OUR SURVEY.
TED LIVINGSTON: THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED WITHIN TOWN AND OUTSIDE TO COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE OF RY IS THAT, AFTER AN AVERAGE OF 24,000.
TED LIVINGSTON: CALLS FOR SERVICE PER YEAR OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD WE AVERAGED APPROXIMATELY FIVE OR SIX COMPLAINTS AGAINST POLICE.
TED LIVINGSTON: AND MY PARTICULAR FAVORITE STATISTIC WAS OF THOSE THAT RESPONDED TO THE SURVEY 50 OF THOSE CHARACTERIZE THEMSELVES AS EITHER BEING ARRESTED BY RIDE PD.
TED LIVINGSTON: ARE BEING ACTIVELY INVESTIGATED AND UP TO 50 ONLY FOR WERE DISSATISFIED OR VERY DISSATISFIED, WHICH MEANS 46 OUT OF 50 PEOPLE WHO WERE ARRESTED BY THE RIGHT PD.
TED LIVINGSTON: WERE EITHER SATISFIED VERY SATISFIED OR DIDN'T OFFER AN OPINION WHICH IS A REMARKABLE STATISTIC, SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS.
TED LIVINGSTON: IF YOU WANT TO LAUNCH THIS REVIEW OF EVERY SINGLE STOP ARREST, FOR THE SAKE OF REVIEWING THE POLICE CONDUCT, AND I WILL ADD THIS OKAY.
TED LIVINGSTON: RIGHT P DAY ON EVERY SINGLE ARREST WITHIN EIGHT DAYS OF THE ARRAIGNMENT IS UPLOADING ITS BODY CAM FILM FOOTAGE THE DHS OFFICE PORTAL.
TED LIVINGSTON: WHERE IT IS REMAINING AND WE HAVE PLENTY OF STORAGE ROOM SO IT'S A BEAR OKAY, BUT I AM NOT I AM SEEING A STRAYING FROM WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
TED LIVINGSTON: AND GETTING INTO PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT POLICE OR PERCEPTIONS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS CREEPING IN.
TED LIVINGSTON: I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WHICH HAS BEEN EXEMPLARY OVER THESE YEARS, OBVIOUSLY VERY CLEARLY EXEMPLARY BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US AND I JUST THINK.
TED LIVINGSTON: IT HAT, HOW DO YOU GO BACK TO A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT HAS I DON'T I'M NOT SEEING ANY EVIDENCE OF THIS AND SAY, WELL, WE APPRECIATE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE, BUT WE'RE STILL GOING TO REVIEW EVERYTHING YOU DO.
TED LIVINGSTON: I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU DO THAT IN GOOD CONSCIOUS, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THE FACTS MATTER AND AND I JUST WANT TO STATE MY OBJECTION TO THAT.
COREY STARK: I THINK I WAS NEXT I'D LOVE TO COMMENT ON THAT YOU'RE RIGHT THE FACTS MATTER, AND AS SOON AS I GOT INVOLVED IN THIS, THE FIRST THING I ASKED FOR WITH THE FACTS, THEY DON'T EXIST.
COREY STARK: I WANTED TO FIND OUT WHAT DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION IS KEPT ZERO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FACTS VERSUS PERCEPTION.
COREY STARK: THE PERCEPTION I'M TALKING ABOUT IS CREATING FACTS THAT DON'T EXIST WHEN A POLICE OFFICER PULL SOMEONE OVER PATRICK I APPRECIATE YOUR POINT, BUT AGAIN DISCRIMINATION IS NOT BASED UPON SOMEONE'S SELF IDENTIFICATION.
COREY STARK: I CAN CALL MYSELF AFRICAN AMERICAN IF I WANT TO MOST OF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO THINK I AM OKAY IT'S IT'S THE PERCEPTION OF THE PERSON WHO'S MAKING THE DECISIONS.
COREY STARK: THAT'S WHY PUTTING IT ON A LICENSE AND SAYING THAT I'M A MIDDLE AGED WHITE CAUCASIAN MAN DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING WITH RESPECT TO THIS IN TERMS OF KEEPING DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION, THE USER NOT MY PERSONAL VIEWS ABOUT.
COREY STARK: TRYING TO TARGET THE POLICE IT'S QUITE THE OPPOSITE, THE BEST DEFENSE THE POLICE COULD EVER HAVE TO A CLAIM THAT THEY'RE ENGAGING AND BIASED POLICING IS THE DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION I'LL GO BACK TO YOU.
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COREY STARK: TED THE FACTS IF THEY HAD THE FACTS, INSTEAD OF SOMEONE COMING ON OUR LISTENING SESSION AND SAY HEY I THINK THE POLICE ARE GREAT. COREY STARK: AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ENGAGING UNBIASED POLICING IN ANY WAY SOMEONE COULD SAY TO THEM, WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THAT, AND THEY CAN SAY OH MY PERSONAL OPINION BASED UPON MY PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS OF HOW I'VE BEEN TREATED PERSONALLY BY THE POLICE.
COREY STARK: THE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE FACTS FROM OUR SURVEY, WE HAD 500 AND SOME ODD PEOPLE WHO FILLED OUT THE SURVEY.
COREY STARK: GENEVIEVE WHO'S AN EXPERT ON SURVEYS AND STATISTICS TOLD US THERE IS NO ZERO STATISTICAL SIGNIFICANCE TO OUR SURVEY.
COREY STARK: THE PEOPLE WHO FILLED OUT OUR SURVEY ARE REMARKABLY FROM RIGHT, NOT FROM OUTSIDE OF RIGHT SO WE'RE KEEPING DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION, THEN WE CAN COLLECT THE INFORMATION WITH RESPECT TO HOW THESE OTHER PEOPLE MAY FEEL.
COREY STARK: OR OR NOT, HOW THEY FEEL HOW THEY WERE ACTUALLY TREATED AS OPPOSED TO HOW THEY'RE FILLING OUT A SURVEY.
COREY STARK: A SURVEY, YOU KNOW I THINK IT'S A GREAT TOOL AND I DO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD TAKE THIS STATISTICAL INFORMATION OR THIS DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION AND FEED IT TO SOMEONE FOR MORE FACTS, A SURVEY.
COREY STARK: A SO THAT WE CAN COLLECT MORE INFORMATION, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT TAUGHT TO TARGET THE POLICE, THE BEST DEFENSE THE POLICE WOULD HAVE AGAINST ANY ALLEGATION OF BIAS POLICING IS LOOK AT THE FACTS BECAUSE WE COLLECT THEM.
TED LIVINGSTON: MAY I SPEAK LISA KNOW THAT I JUST WANT TO HAMMER HOME, SOMETHING WHICH IS.
TED LIVINGSTON: COREY IF YOU'RE HANGING YOUR HAT, IF YOU WILL, ON THIS, THE PERCEPTION BY THE POLICE OFFICER AND I WANT YOU TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND IT, BECAUSE I'M NOT GETTING IT.
TED LIVINGSTON: IF POLICE PERCEIVED SOMEBODY TO BE SOMETHING THEY'RE NOT.
TED LIVINGSTON: WHERE IS THAT GETTING UNCOVERED IN YOUR PROCESS, IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY ARREST ME THINKING I'M A BLACK MAN AND I'M A WHITE MAN OKAY, WHERE IS THAT COMING UP IN THE IN AN ANALYSIS OF DEMOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE SO.
COREY STARK: WHEN THEY WHEN THEY USE THEIR WHEN THEY'RE WHEN THEY'RE USING THE SOFTWARE THAT'S AVAILABLE WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION OF THE PERSON THEY PULLED OVER.
COREY STARK: IF THEY THINK YOU'RE BLACK AND YOU'RE NOT IT'S GOING IN THERE.
COREY STARK: AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT RIGHT IS THIS PERSON WAS THIS PERSON PULLED OVER BE BASED UPON A REASONABLE SUSPICION WAS THIS PERSON WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS PERSON AFTER THEY WERE PULLED OVER THEY GET A TICKET.
COREY STARK: DID THEY GET ARRESTED RIGHT SO WHETHER YOU'RE WHITE YOU'RE WHITE, BUT THE POLICE OFFICER BELIEVES YOU'RE BLACK AND THEY'RE.
COREY STARK: YOU KNOW THEY'RE YOU COLLECT THIS INFORMATION IF ALL THE WHITE PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, DON'T GET TICKETS AND ALL THE BLACK PEOPLE DO GET TICKETS, THEN WE START TO SEE A PATTERN DEVELOPING HERE THAT THE BLACK PEOPLE ARE BEING TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN WHITE PEOPLE IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
TED LIVINGSTON: YEAH AND.
COREY STARK: AND EVERYONE IS TREATED THE SAME SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT, STATISTICALLY, AND YOU SAY OKAY, THE POLICE PERCEIVE THAT.
COREY STARK: OUT OF 100 PEOPLE 50 WERE BLACK AND WHITE, AND THESE STATISTICS SHOW THAT THEY WERE TREATED THE SAME THAT'S THE BEST DEFENSE THE POLICE HAVE AGAINST BIAS POLICING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TREATING DIFFERENTLY PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY, BASED UPON OUR PERCEPTIONS.
TED LIVINGSTON: BUT COREY IF 50% OF THE PEOPLE ARRESTED FOR SOMETHING ARE BLACK, YET THEY ONLY REPRESENT 3% OF THE POPULATION AND RYE OKAY, BUT THE 50% THAT WERE ARRESTED.
TED LIVINGSTON: REVIEW THE EVIDENCE AND UPON ADVICE OF COUNSEL PLED GUILTY ADMITTED UNDER OATH THEY WERE GUILTY AND NEVER BROUGHT A COMPLAINT AGAINST THE POLICE ACCUSING THEM OF RACISM.
TED LIVINGSTON: UNDER YOUR DEMOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS, WE HAVE A PROBLEM, AND WHEN I'M MAINTAINING TO YOU IS WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WE HAVE A GOOD POLICE FORCE THAT ACTUALLY THINKS ABOUT LAWFUL BASES BEFORE THEY ARREST PEOPLE.
COREY STARK: SAID YOU MISSED YOU MISSED THE POINT ENTIRELY AND PERHAPS THAT'S BECAUSE WE WEREN'T AT ANY OF OUR THREE SESSIONS LAST WEEK, WHERE WE DISCUSSED THIS IN DETAIL, BUT I WILL TELL YOU.
COREY STARK: THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT THE END RESULT IS NECESSARILY IF YOU GOT 50 PEOPLE THAT ARE PULLED OVER FOR THE SAME ACT.
COREY STARK: SPEEDING BASED UPON YOU KNOW, AN OBSERVATION, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IS A SEARCH CONDUCTED.
COREY STARK: WHAT IS NEXT AS OPPOSED TO YOU'RE COMPARING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS IF PEOPLE IF SOMEONE'S ARRESTED FOR ARMED ROBBERY.
COREY STARK: AND THEY'RE 50 PEOPLE THAT ARE ACCUSED OF THIS THAT SAME CRIME AND THEY ALL PLAY GUILTY IT DOESN'T MATTER, THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS IT STARTS WITH WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE ENCOUNTER FOR THE FOR THESE PEOPLE.
COREY STARK: AND THAT'S WHY I WAS CLUELESS STATISTICAL ANALYSIS.
COREY STARK: SO YOU CAN CATEGORIZE THEM BASED UPON THE REASON FOR THE ENCOUNTER, WHY DID IT START AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED, SO IF EVERY BLACK PERSON THAT GETS PULLED OVER.
COREY STARK: THEN, IS SUBJECT TO A FULL CAR SEARCH I THINK THAT'S RELEVANT INFORMATION IT THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT ISN'T IT'S NOT EVERY PERSON IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE.
COREY STARK: ARE CONVICTED OF CRIMES, BASED UPON THEIR RACE, WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT'S THE REASON FOR THE STUFF IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT AND WHAT WAS THE BASIS FOR WHAT HAPPENED NEXT.
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COREY STARK: IF IF THE VET AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE CASE AND THAT'S WHY I SAID, THIS IS THE BEST. COREY STARK: DEFENSE FOR POLICE OFFICER AS WELL AND MRI IF THE IF THE EVIDENCE THE FACTS PROVE OUT THAT WHEN HUNDRED PEOPLE ARE STOPPED FOR SPEEDING THAT NONE OF THEIR CARS ARE SEARCH, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE BLACK WHITE ASIAN WHATEVER.
TED LIVINGSTON: RIGHT BUT, BUT WHEN WHEN I'M SORRY YOU SPEAKING.
COREY STARK: GO AHEAD.
TED LIVINGSTON: YA KNOW I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY I WASN'T INVITED ANYTHING, LAST WEEK I DIDN'T IT WASN'T LIKE I WASN'T INTENTIONALLY AVOIDING MEETINGS, BUT YOUR DEMOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS OVERLOOKS.
TED LIVINGSTON: WHETHER MACHINES, WHETHER THEY'RE LPR HITS NOW WHEN MACHINES NOT RACIST, WHATEVER THE WHATEVER THE PERCENTAGES ARE THE PERCENTAGES ARE.
TED LIVINGSTON: THEY'RE ALL ALSO OVERLOOKING CERTAIN PARTS OF EQUIPMENT LIKE SHOT SPOTTER WHICH WE DON'T USE BUT OR WE HAVE THIRD PARTY COMPLAINTS CONTACTING POLICE TELLING THEM OKAY, SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS ON A PURELY DEMOGRAPHIC ASSESSMENT, HOW DO WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THESE OTHER FACTORS.
COREY STARK: IT'S NOT A PURELY DEMOGRAPHIC ASSESSMENT AND THAT I I'M GLAD YOU'RE IS THAT POINT, BECAUSE THAT INFORMATION IS SUPPOSED TO BE WOULD BE RECORDED, BOTH IN THIS SURVEY INFORMATION, THE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS OF WHAT SO.
COREY STARK: WHO IS STUCK WHY WERE THEY STOPPED UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU GET INTO ALL THAT INFORMATION, SO WHAT I'VE RECOMMENDED IS THAT A REPORT BE MADE AND DELIVERED.
COREY STARK: BASED UPON THE STATISTICS, SO THE FACTS, SO YOU SEPARATED INTO CATEGORIES, SO YOU CAN DETERMINE IF PEOPLE ARE BEING PULLED OVER, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE THEY'RE DRIVING AND THEY'VE DONE A RADAR ON.
COREY STARK: YEAH THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN PULLED OVER THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE BEING PULLED OVER BASED UPON OBSERVATION ALONE, AND WHAT ARE THEIR DEMOGRAPHIC BACKGROUNDS, BASED UPON OBSERVATION ALONE, WITHOUT ANY.
COREY STARK: YOU KNOW, INFORMATION ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE DOING RIGHT AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS NEXT FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS STOPPED SPEEDING, FOR EXAMPLE.
COREY STARK: WHERE THAT WAS THEIR CAR SEARCH WHERE THEY LET GO WERE THEY GIVEN A WARNING WERE THEY GIVEN A TICKET.
COREY STARK: ARE THEY ARE, THEY ARE MORE WOMEN BEING RELEASED WITHOUT TICKETS ARE MORE MEN BEING RELEASED WITHOUT TICKETS ARE PEOPLE CARS BEING SEARCHED THAT'S THE POINT SO IF THE IF THE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS PROVES OUT.
COREY STARK: THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING TREATED THE SAME DESPITE IF THIS DESPITE THEIR RACE OR THEIR GENDER, THEN LIKE I SAID BEST DEFENSE THAT WE DON'T ENGAGE IN BIAS POLICING HERE AND RIGHT.
TED LIVINGSTON: LOOK COREY AT THE END OF THE DAY, ON I WAS NOT OPPOSED TO A SURVEY GOING OUTSIDE THIS COMMUNITY, I WAS NOT OPPOSED TO A SURVEY.
TED LIVINGSTON: YOU KNOW WE'RE CHECKING OFF ALL THE DIFFERENT AIR, YOU KNOW AREAS AND STUFF I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.
TED LIVINGSTON: I COME BACK TO THE GOVERNOR'S REMARKS OKAY, WHICH IS, WE ARE HERE TO ESTABLISH POLICIES I'M QUOTING THIS FROM PAGE TO.
TED LIVINGSTON: THAT ALLOW POLICE TO EFFECTIVELY AND SAFELY PERFORM THEIR DUTIES AND THE NUMBERS AND THE NUMBERS THERE'S 37 COPS OVER 24,000 CALLS TO SERVICE ON AN AVERAGE PER YEAR, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES.
TED LIVINGSTON: THIS MAJOR STATISTICAL COLLECTION, IT IS A GRAVE CONCERN TO ME, AS IT SHOULD, FOR ALL OF US AND ALL CITIZENS OF RYE.
TED LIVINGSTON: ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOB ALL I ASK IS IF SOMEBODY'S HOUSE IS BEING BURGLARIZED AND WE NEED POLICE THERE.
TED LIVINGSTON: OKAY, ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND IN REAL TIME, OR ARE WE BURDENING A DEPARTMENT WITH NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN AN EXERCISE WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT TURN OUT TO BE AN EXERCISE, WHERE WE CAN DRAW REAL CONCLUSIONS FROM THAT'S ALL.
TED LIVINGSTON: I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MAKING SENSE.
GUY DEMPSEY: BUT THE RECORDING IN CASE.
GUY DEMPSEY: ABOUT FIVE SECONDS WE'VE GOT MORE HANDS UP AND I.
COREY STARK: JUST WANT ONE SECOND.
COREY STARK: YEAH THERE'S THERE IS SOFTWARE THAT WAS CREATED FOR POLICE TO COLLECT THIS INFORMATION, AND I UNDERSTAND IT WOULD TAKE LITERALLY SECONDS TO COLLECT THIS INFORMATION.
GUY DEMPSEY: OK OK.
GUY DEMPSEY: I LOVE.
GUY DEMPSEY: AMANDA WHY DON'T YOU SPEAK NOW.
AMANDA YANNETT: THANK YOU UM.
AMANDA YANNETT: SO A LOT WAS SAID RIGHT THERE A LOT OF DIFFERENT POINTS SO, STARTING WITH THE SURVEY, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW MUCH WEIGHT WE'RE GIVING IT GIVING.
AMANDA YANNETT: KOREA'S POINT ABOUT GENOVESE EXPERTISE IN SURVEYS AND AND BEING ON THE SURVEY SUBCOMMITTEE 3% OF RYE FILLED OUT THE SURVEY YOU CAN'T DRAW ANY SIGNIFICANCE FROM THE SURVEY AT ALL.
AMANDA YANNETT: AND 50 PEOPLE IS LESS THAN POINT 5% RY SO ALSO YOU ALSO CAN'T DRAW ANY SIGNIFICANCE FROM THERE, WE ALSO.
AMANDA YANNETT: KNOW FOR A FACT IF WE'RE GOING TO GO OFF THE SURVEY THAT SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T BELIEVE THEY WERE TREATED DIFFERENTLY, BECAUSE OF HOW THEY WERE PERCEIVED.
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AMANDA YANNETT: SO WE KNOW THAT IS A FACT, ACCORDING TO THE SURVEY THAT THERE WERE SOME RESPONDENTS THAT BELIEVE THEY WERE TREATED DIFFERENTLY, BECAUSE OF THEIR IDENTITIES. AMANDA YANNETT: I'M NOT SAYING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS BAD OR BIASED I'M SAYING LET'S COLLECT THE DATA AND ANALYZE IT AND SEE WHAT IT TELLS US, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WILL BE FACTUAL.
AMANDA YANNETT: WE CANNOT SAY FOR A FACT THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS BIASED, WE CANNOT SAY FOR A FACT THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS NOT BIASED, BECAUSE THE DATA IS NOT THERE, SO WE NEED TO COLLECT IT IN ORDER FOR US TO SEE IF THERE ARE BIASES AND THEN ADDRESS THEM.
AMANDA YANNETT: AND THAT BEING SAID, ALSO I HAVE.
AMANDA YANNETT: HEARD A LOT, LIKE THE CONCERNS ABOUT BURDENING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT SHOULD REALLY JUST TAKE SECONDS TO FILL IT OUT WITH THE SOFTWARE.
AMANDA YANNETT: ALSO FOR THE BURGLARIES.
AMANDA YANNETT: TO THAT EXAMPLE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE COLLECTING DATA ON THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STOP DATA, THE CARS, THE WALKING DOWN THE STREET.
AMANDA YANNETT: LIKE THOSE EXAMPLES ARE NOT SAYING OH, WHAT WAS THE DEMOGRAPHICS, OF THE BURGLAR OH DID THAT AFFECT YOUR RESPONSE TIME NO WE WANT OUR POLICE THERE AND HELPING US LIKE, OF COURSE, WE DO UM.
AMANDA YANNETT: IT'S JUST TO SEE IF PEOPLE ARE BEING DISPROPORTIONATELY STOPPED BASED ON THEIR IDENTITIES THROUGH TRAFFIC STOPS AND PEDESTRIAN STOPS AND THEN ANALYZING THAT.
AMANDA YANNETT: I WILL AND THERE SO OTHER PEOPLE CAN SPEAK.
GUY DEMPSEY: I'M CAROLYN I THINK YOU'VE HAD YOU'VE HAD YOUR HAND UP THERE TO SPEAK.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: YES, I WANTED TO SAY THAT PERHAPS WE CAN PULL THESE DATA AND HAVE JUST ASSIGN EITHER THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE POLICE, COMMISSIONER.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: TO ANALYZE THE DATA COLLECTED.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: IT IS, IT IS INTERESTING TO HAVE ALL THE DATA IF NOTHING FOR THE EXERCISE SO KNOWING WHO WE STOPPED, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IF THERE IS NO REASONABLE DOUBT TO STOP A PERSON.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: I DON'T CARE WHAT COLOR THEY ARE THAT WOULD BE WRONG, BUT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG POLICE OFFICERS DON'T JUST GO STOPPING ANYBODY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, THEY NEED TO HAVE A REASONABLE DOUBT.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: LIEUTENANT.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: SPEAK ABOUT THAT.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: I THINK I THINK HE SAID HE NEEDED A REASONABLE SUSPICION.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: BUT YOU KNOW, TO GO BACK TO WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE POLICE, ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF STOPS OKAY, THEY DON'T KNOW WHO'S DRIVING THE CAR.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: THEY DON'T KNOW BY TAKING THE LICENSE PLATE WHO'S DRIVING THE CAR THEIR IDENTITY THAT MADE THEM WHO THEY ARE, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR RACE OR ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S NOT.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: AVAILABLE TO THEM, I AGAIN I CAN'T IMAGINE US ASKING THE POLICE TO TELL US WHAT THEY THINK.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: THE THE RACE OF THAT PERSON IS OR TO ASK A PERSON IN THE CAR, I THINK THAT JUST OPENS UP A CAN OF WORMS. PATRICK MCGOVERN: AND AGAIN, WHY IS IT NOT AN ISSUE TO ASK THE STATE TO REQUIRE THAT WHEN YOU GET A DRIVER'S LICENSE WHO WOULD OBJECT TO THAT I CAN'T IMAGINE IT AND, BY THE WAY.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: I THINK, TO YOU KNOW TO TED'S POINT ABOUT THE STATISTICS TO SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, BECAUSE ONLY FIVE PEOPLE COMPLAINED.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: IF 105 PEOPLE HAD FILED A COMPLAINT, I THINK ALL OF US WOULD SAY WE HAVE A PROBLEM, SO IF ONLY FIVE.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: HAVE COMPLAINED I DON'T THINK IT'S A STRETCH OR ERRONEOUS TO SAY WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: SO I'M SORRY TO SAY, YOU CAN'T SAY YOU HAVE IN CAN SAY DON'T BECAUSE IF THE NUMBERS WERE QUITE DIFFERENT, WE COULD MAKE A DEFINITE REASONABLE STATEMENT ABOUT THE POLICE.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: IT DOESN'T MEAN WE KNOW EVERYTHING BUT I DON'T I DON'T FIND PEOPLE TO BE SHY ABOUT MAKING COMPLAINT IF THEY FELT THEY WERE MISTREATED.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
LT. SCOTT CRAIG: I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT.
LT. SCOTT CRAIG: YOU KNOW THE PERCEPTION OF SOMEONE'S RACE OR GENDER, WHAT WOULDN'T IT ACTUALLY THEN CREATE FLAWED DATA, BECAUSE IF.
LT. SCOTT CRAIG: THE SAME PERSON WAS STOPPED IN RIGHT THREE TIMES IN A MONTH AND I IDENTIFIED THEM AS ASIAN GAVE IDENTIFIED THEM AS HISPANIC AND ROB IDENTIFIED THEM AS AFRICAN AMERICAN.
LT. SCOTT CRAIG: AT THE END OF THE MONTH, THAT SAME PERSON HAS NOW BEEN IDENTIFIED AS THREE INDIVIDUAL GENDERS.
LT. SCOTT CRAIG: AND IF THEY GOT A SUMMONS AND EACH ONE YOU KNOW IT WOULD FLOW, THE DATA OR IF THEY GOT A SUMMONS IN ONE CATEGORY AND ANOTHER, IT WOULD SKEW THE DATA AS WELL, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS.
LT. SCOTT CRAIG: LET'S SAY THE DATA IS COLLECTED IN THAT THE END OF A QUARTER WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW OUR DATA STATISTICS.
LT. SCOTT CRAIG: WHAT ARE WE REVIEWING IT AGAINST LIKE WHAT'S THE STATISTICAL NUMBERS THAT SAYS.
LT. SCOTT CRAIG: OH, THIS IS GOOD DATA BECAUSE IT'S X AMOUNT OF WHITE PEOPLE STOPPED X AMOUNT OF BLACK PEOPLE STOP X AMOUNT OF ASIAN PEOPLE STOP LIKE.
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LT. SCOTT CRAIG: SO THE NUMBERS ARE THE NUMBERS LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE INDICATED OUR LICENSE PLATE READERS ARE BASICALLY TELLING US TO STOP THAT CAR NOW WHEN YOU WALK UP TO THE CAR THAT'S WHEN YOU LEARN THE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON. LT. SCOTT CRAIG: AND, BUT AT THE END OF THAT QUARTER OR THAT THAT THAT MONTH WHEN YOU'RE REVIEWING THE DATA.
LT. SCOTT CRAIG: YOU KNOW THAT IS IN FACT A NUMBER ON THAT DATA THAT WASN'T GENERATED UNDER ANY SORT OF BIAS, BUT IT COULD BE SKEWED BASED ON.
LT. SCOTT CRAIG: THE OFFICERS PERCEPTION LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, AS OPPOSED TO COLLECTING THE TRUE DATA OF WHAT OF HOW THE PERSON IDENTIFIED, AND I THINK GAVE US SPOKEN ABOUT IT BEFORE A CAR STOP ISN'T ALWAYS THE MOST.
LT. SCOTT CRAIG: HAPPY OCCASION FOR PEOPLE, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY THEY THEY TRIED TO EMPHASIZE FOR US IS YOU HEAR ALL ABOUT A DE ESCALATE DE ESCALATE DE ESCALATE.
LT. SCOTT CRAIG: IF WE'RE AT A CAR STOP AND WE JUST ISSUED SOMEBODY A SUMMONS CERTAINLY IT'S GOING TO START ESCALATING THE SITUATION IF WE THEN HAVE TO IDENTIFY THAT PERSON BY ASKING THEM.
LT. SCOTT CRAIG: YOU KNOW WHAT RACE, ARE YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT GENDER, ARE YOU WHAT YOU KNOW SO THAT CAN COMPLICATE MATTERS RIGHT THERE ON A CAR STUFF BUT MY.
COREY STARK: ADVOCATE IN FAVOR OF ASKING.
COREY STARK: PEOPLE TO SELF IDENTIFY IT, I BELIEVE THAT DISCRIMINATION IS BASED UPON THE PERCEPTION OF THE PERSON THAT'S MAKING.
COREY STARK: TAKING THE ACTION, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT YOU PULL OVER SOMEONE BASED UPON THEIR ACTIONS AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW WHO THEY ARE, BEFORE YOU PULL THEM OVER.
COREY STARK: I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT RIGHT SO BIAS POLICING IS BASED UPON WHEN YOU PULL SOMEONE OVER RIGHT, SO THESE BAD ACTORS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE IN THE COUNTRY.
COREY STARK: POLICE OFFICERS, WHICH I BELIEVE ARE FEW IS WHAT DO THEY DO WHEN THEY FIND SOMEONE SELLING LOOSE CIGARETTES, DO YOU STAND ON THEIR BACK UNTIL THEY DIE OR DO YOU ISSUE THEM A SENTENCE.
COREY STARK: THAT'S THAT'S THE QUESTION RIGHT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, AND I BELIEVE THAT DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION IF ANALYZED APPROPRIATELY, WHICH I AM NOT QUALIFIED TO GIVE ANY OPINION ON.
COREY STARK: IS HOW TO HOW TO ANALYZE IT BUT PROFESSIONALS WOULD WOULD GIVE US THAT INFORMATION, BUT I WANT TO STRESS AS WELL, AND I KNOW I'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH GAVE A NUMBER OF TIMES AND I THINK THAT YOU WILL TELL YOU THAT MY RECOMMENDATIONS.
COREY STARK: MY MIND SUSAN'S OR RECOMMENDATIONS OR I'VE TAKEN TO AN ACCOUNT OR TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHAT HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND TRIED TO CHANGE THEM.
COREY STARK: YOU KNOW, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IS RESTRICTIONS ON BREATHING.
COREY STARK: I MEAN WE'VE GOT GEORGE FLOYD WHICH IS, YOU KNOW VERY FAMOUS FAMOUSLY KILLED BY A POLICE OFFICER STANDING ON ON HIS NECK, AND RECENTLY ANGEL QUINTO.
COREY STARK: WAS KILLED IN CALIFORNIA, BY THE SAME FOR THE SAME YOU KNOW SOMEONE WE'RE PUTTING HANDCUFFS ON AND AND PUTTING PRESSURE ON HIS BACK.
COREY STARK: SO GABE AND I HAVE WORKED TOGETHER WITH LENGTH ON LANGUAGE ON HOW TO HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT SO AND WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TRY TO PROTECT THE POLICE, NOT JUST MAKE THE POLICE TARGETS SO.
COREY STARK: I HEAR YOUR POINT ABOUT HOW DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION COULD BE SKEWED BUT I GO BACK TO THE POINT THAT IT'S THE PERCEPTION OF THE PERSON WHO'S TAKING THE ACTIONS.
COREY STARK: THAT IS RELEVANT, SO WHAT THE WHAT THIS IS DESIGNED TO DO IS FIGURE OUT, IS THERE A PROBLEM PERSON ON THE POLICE FORCE POTENTIALLY.
COREY STARK: RIGHT, SO IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO, EVERY TIME THEY PULL OVER A BLACK PERSON THERE'S A FULL COLOR PER SEARCH AND AN ARREST.
COREY STARK: THEN THAT'S AN ISSUE AND I WOULD I WOULD ASSUME THAT THOSE IN THE IN ARRIVED POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL WANT TO HAVE THAT PERSON IDENTIFIED AND ROOT OUT THAT PROBLEM.
COREY STARK: SO THE COLLECTING OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION IS NOT BASED ON OH, YOU KNOW YOU END UP PULLING OVER A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND THEY TURN OUT TO ALL BE ASIAN OR HISPANIC OR LATINO.
COREY STARK: YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT MAY BE IT'S ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, AND WHAT IS THE PERCEPTION OF THE PERSON WHO'S TAKING THE ACTIONS AFTER THAT.
TED LIVINGSTON: JUST WEIGH IN ON SHOW CALLS BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR.
TED LIVINGSTON: OH SORRY HOLD ON.
GUY DEMPSEY: HOLD ON LET'S LET'S NOT WEIGH IN AND.
CHOKE HOLDS THE MOMENT.
GUY DEMPSEY: IT'S A LITTLE OFF TOPIC FOR THE.
GUY DEMPSEY: DATA LIKE I THINK GENEVIEVE HAD HAD HER HAND UP SHE STARTED SOMETHING TO SAY.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: YES, OH YEAH I MY NEXT YES.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: OKAY, SO A FEW THINGS THAT FOR THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HIGHLIGHT NUMBER ONE.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: RIGHT HAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK TO DO, AND IF ANYBODY DENIES THAT RIGHT IN THIS LITTLE TOWN THAT WE HAVE DOESN'T HAVE THAT WORK I'D LOVE TO HAVE SOME COFFEE WITH YOU JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE HAVING DONE THIS WORK NOW 13 YEARS LIVING IN THIS TOWN OKAY NUMBER TWO.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: I THINK THAT NOBODY IS IN ANY POSITION AND THIS CALL TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF OTHERS AND SO AS MUCH AS THOSE ON THE CALL CAN SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES AS NOT.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: PARTICIPATING IN CONTRIBUTING TO CERTAIN BEHAVIORS ALL EMBRACE THAT I HEAR YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT WE CANNOT SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE RIGHT, SO MAKING ANY GENERAL KIND OF BLANKET STATEMENTS.
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GENEVIEVE WEBER: IS IS UNFAIR AND AND AND I THINK INAPPROPRIATE THIRD I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE COREYS INITIAL PRESENTATION ON THE IMPORTANCE OF PERCEPTION AND WHEN WE BEGIN TO UNPACK. GENEVIEVE WEBER: WHAT DISCRIMINATION, THE ACTUAL BEHAVIOR AND ACTION OF DISCRIMINATION WHEN WE UNPACK THAT IT STARTS WITH.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: ONE'S PERCEPTION ONE'S THOUGHTS OF WHO THAT PERSON MIGHT BE I.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: OBSERVE AND I ATTACHED WHAT I THINK IS THEIR IDENTITY TO MY BELIEFS AND ATTITUDES THAT I PROBABLY LEARNED FROM MY PRIMARY SOURCE OF LEARNING, WHICH IS MY FAMILY AND OTHER SOURCES.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: AND, THEREFORE, THAT THEN TRANSLATES INTO BEHAVIOR SO PERCEPTION IS VERY MUCH WHAT WE SHOULD MOST BE INTERESTED IN, BECAUSE IF THERE'S ANY PERCEPTION.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: OF THAT PARTICULAR IDENTITY IN FRONT OF THE OFFICER AND THOSE THOSE ATTITUDES OR PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS GET IN THE WAY THE ACTION, THEN OF MISTREATMENT OR INEQUITY HAPPENS FORTH, THIS IS MY FINAL THOUGHT.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: I APPRECIATE AND WANT TO SEE US FOCUS ON THE PERCEPTIONS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT, AS I SAID, TRANSFER TRANSLATES INTO ACTION DISCRIMINATION.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: I DO WANT THE DATA AND, YES, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH PATRICK AND I AGREE THAT I'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING STANDARDIZED IN THE STATE, SO WE CAN GET.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: MORE INFORMATION ON IDENTITIES, I REALLY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE OFFICERS ASKING IN A IN A SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE WHO ARE READY, FEEL UNSAFE.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: BASED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING GLOBALLY, OR EVEN JUST THROUGH OWN UNDERSTANDING AND COMFORT WITH POLICE OFFICERS.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: TO ASK THEM THEIR RACE, BUT TO GO AHEAD AND ASK THEIR GENDER AND SEXUAL IDENTITY, WHICH WE KNOW HOW OUT PEOPLE ARE.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS INDIVIDUAL ISN'T OUT TO THEIR FAMILIES AND THEY'RE FACING A COP, YOU KNOW WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO BE HONEST, AND THEN THEY WERE ASKED HER SEXUAL IDENTITY AND THEY LITERALLY COME OUT.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: AS A DOCTOR OF MENTAL HEALTH, I REALLY, REALLY ASK US NOT TO PUT THAT ON THE OFFICERS AND NOT TO PUT ANYBODY WHO WOULD BE SUBJECTED TO THAT AT RISK FOR SHARING SOMETHING THEY DON'T WANT TO SHARE SO THANK YOU.
GUY DEMPSEY: THERE WERE A COUPLE OTHER HANDS UP BUT JAMIE HAVE YOU ALREADY SPOKEN OR WERE YOU ASKED HIM TO SPEAK AGAIN.
JOSH COHN: I'VE SEEN ROB FAULTS HAND UP FOR A LONG TIME.
GUY DEMPSEY: IT IS.
LISA DOMINICI: I THINK I THINK IT WAS JAMIE AND ROB SO JAMIE AND.
JAMIE JENSEN: I JUST WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, SO I WOULD LIKE TO TO MAKE SOME KIND OF MOTION.
JAMIE JENSEN: THAT WE AGREE THAT WE NEED TO BUILD COMMUNITY CUT TRUST HOLD LEADERSHIP ACCOUNTABLE AND COLLECT APPROPRIATE DATA.
JAMIE JENSEN: AND THAT THIS NEEDS TO BECOME PART OF THE MANDATE PUT FORWARD IMMEDIATELY ONCE WE PUT TOGETHER EVERY REVIEW COMMITTEE.
JAMIE JENSEN: BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I THINK WE'RE REFLECTING AND AS INGRAM HAS SAID SO, WHILE SO MANY TIMES WE'RE REFLECTING RIGHT NOW, ALL OF THE X IT'S GOING ON IN THE.
JAMIE JENSEN: IN THE COUNTRY IN THESE CONVERSATIONS AND TO TRY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN IN THIS MEETING DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
JAMIE JENSEN: I I AGREE STRANGE, I AGREE WITH BOTH TED AND COREY AND LIKE SO THIS IS THE PROBLEM RIGHT, SO WE NEED TO WORK ON SOME LANGUAGE SO THAT WE CAN THEN BREAK THAT DOWN AND WORK WITH OUR OFFICERS TO MAKE THE MOST SENSE I'D ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO LOOK UP.
JAMIE JENSEN: PROCEDURAL JUSTICE COMMUNITY POLICING STANDARDS AND THE WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN DO SOME OF THIS STOP DATA IN ANOTHER WAY, BUT I SEND MY EMAIL TO YOU.
JAMIE JENSEN: SO THAT'S A MOTION I'M PUTTING EMOTION ON THE TAPE I MOVED.
JAMIE JENSEN: TO MOVE US FORWARD WITH SOME.
GUY DEMPSEY: LANGUAGE YOUR MOTION WAS TABLED TO THE MOMENT IS ROB SOCK ACTUALLY ON THE CALLER WAS THAT.
ROB FALK: SNOW NAH I'M ON THE CALL I JUST BEEN.
ROB FALK: WAITING A TURN TO TALK.
LISA DOMINICI: AS LONG AS.
ROB FALK: I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK TO CAROL WAYNE IS QUESTION ABOUT CAR STOPS OR ANY KIND OF STOPPED, I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REASON FOR CAR STOPS WHETHER IT'S A MOTOR VEHICLE VIOLATION.
ROB FALK: A REPORTED BANK ROBBERY AND THE VEHICLE FITS THE DESCRIPTION, BUT YOU NEED A REASON SO THAT'S FIRST OF ALL, WE JUST DON'T GO DOWN THE STREET STOP PEOPLE.
ROB FALK: FROM ONE TO THIS DEMOGRAPHIC COLLECTING DATA IS ALL FINE AND WELL, BUT WE RUN INTO MANY SITUATIONS TO WHERE I CAN SEE NOW THAT DATA IS GOING TO BE THROWN OFF BECAUSE.
ROB FALK: WE COULD HAVE AN AGGRESSIVE HOME INVASION UNFORCED AVENUE, AND THE FIRST OFFICER ARRIVING ON THE SCENE IS TOLD BY A NEIGHBOR THAT THEY OBSERVED A WHITE CAR OR.
ROB FALK: TEARING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S THE ONLY DESCRIPTION, WE HAVE OF A KNOWN HOME INVASION IS A WHITE CAR AS WE TRY TO GATHER MORE INFORMATION THAT WHITE CAR IS DISTRIBUTED THE NUMEROUS POLICE AGENCIES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
ROB FALK: IF YOU CAN BET THERE'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST SIX TO 10 CARDS, REGARDLESS OF WHO'S OPERATING IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE INFORMATION IS STOPPED SO 10 MORE CARS HAVE BEEN STOPPED FOR WHAT REASON NOW WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT THAT DATA, AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT MAKES THROW OFF ANY.
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ROB FALK: END OF THE DAY, TALLY AS TO WELL WE HAD 10 CAR STOPS AND WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT. ROB FALK: NO MATTER WHAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN FIVE GREEN PEOPLE DRIVING THE CARS, WHATEVER ELSE.
ROB FALK: BUT THAT'S GOING TO SORT IT THAT, OFTEN, IT WAS ONLY STOPPED BECAUSE OF THE HOME AND BAKE.
TED LIVINGSTON: AND I.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: GO BACK TO GO BACK TO THE WHITE THE WHITE FAN, IF YOU FOR THOSE OF YOU HAVE BEEN WHAT RIGHT LONG ENOUGH, THERE WAS A LOOKING FOR WHITE VAN THAT WAS.
ROB FALK: GREEN BERET PATRICK GREEN MAN.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: ALL RIGHT, WELL, I HAD A FRIEND WHO HAD A GREEN VAN AND HE PUT YELLOW TAPE ON BOTH SIDES OF.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: HIS BANDWIDTH HIS NAME AND ADDRESS BECAUSE YOU CAN STOP SEVEN TIMES EVERY SINGLE DAY, SO I HEAR YOU.
BUT.
TED LIVINGSTON: I ADD ONE THING QUICKLY.
TED LIVINGSTON: ANYWAY, THANKS FOR.
GUY DEMPSEY: TAKING TIME OUT GREG WHY DON'T YOU UNMUTE AND JASON RIGHT.
GREG USRY: THANK YOU ALL UM IT TEND TO BE A BIT OF A PRAGMATIST ON THIS, I GUESS, MY MY POINT OR MY QUESTION HERE IS THAT CLEARLY THERE'S A CONSENSUS AROUND COLLECTING DATA OR THERE SEEMS TO BE.
GREG USRY: THERE IS NOT A CONSENSUS ON EXACTLY WHAT DATA TO COLLECT THERE IS DEFINITELY NO CONSENSUS ON WHAT SYSTEMS TO USE.
GREG USRY: THERE'S CLEARLY NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE IMPACT OR IMPLICATIONS ARE GOING TO BE FROM A POLICING STANDPOINT FROM A PROSECUTORIAL STANDPOINT AND FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE STANDPOINT.
GREG USRY: SO, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE COUNCIL REPRESENTS THE COMMUNITY, WHY WOULD THE RECOMMENDATION NOT BE ALONG THE LINES OF IT IS A GOAL OF THIS COMMITTEE OR AS A RECOMMENDATION, THIS COMMITTEE.
GREG USRY: TO UNDERTAKE A COLLECTION OF DATA TO PROVIDE GREATER TRANSPARENCY AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE STOPS AND THE AFTERMATH THAT ARE OCCURRING IN THE CITY.
GREG USRY: AND THEN CHARGING THE POLICE, COMMISSIONER, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WITH COMPLETING A REVIEW OF THAT NOT A REVIEW OF THE DATA, BUT A REVIEW OF THE COST.
GREG USRY: THE OPERATIONAL IMPLICATIONS AND THE MANNER IN WHICH TO APPROACH IT AND TO BE REQUIRED THAT TO BE A PROPOSAL OR A PRESENTATION OR AN UNDERTAKING WITH A SPECIFIC TIME FRAME TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
TED LIVINGSTON: BECAUSE.
GREG USRY: BECAUSE MY MY MY MY CHALLENGE WITH AS AGAIN AS A AS AN ADMINISTRATOR IN THIS IS, I CAN'T TELL YOU TODAY HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST I CAN'T TELL YOU.
GREG USRY: ANYTHING ABOUT THE SOFTWARE I DON'T KNOW WHAT FROM ROB STANDPOINT, THE DIFFICULTY IS GOING TO BE AND I CAN'T TELL YOU FROM GABE AND SCOTT STANDPOINT, WHAT THE YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO IMPACT FROM A POLICING STANDPOINT AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US CAN COLLECTIVELY.
COREY STARK: THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY, IN RESPONSE TO THAT, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROPOSAL, BUT I THINK IT IT FALLS SHORT, WHEN YOU SAY THIS POLICE IN THE CITY MANAGER TO JUST SHOULD DECIDE HOW TO MOVE FORWARD, THIS IS A COMMUNITY.
COREY STARK: BOARD, IT SHOULD BE A COMMUNITY DECISION, CONSIDERING THE COSTS, ETC, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CONSIDERING COSTS UM WHAT WHAT I'M SAYING WHAT.
COREY STARK: WE WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS HAVE A MANDATE THAT WE ARE GOING TO.
COREY STARK: ATTEMPT OR WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION AFTER WE DETERMINE HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST, AND THEN WE CAN PRESENT IT I FULLY AND I'VE SAID THIS MANY TIMES I FULLY BELIEVE.
COREY STARK: THAT SUGGESTING THAT WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE IN THIS TIMEFRAME IS RIDICULOUS SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS CONTINUE THIS EFFORT, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE WE SUGGEST THAT WE'RE GOING TO.
COREY STARK: DO SOMETHING YOU KNOW SIGNIFICANT AND AND AND ACTUALLY PROPOSE LEGISLATION THAT WOULD BE WORKABLE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.
COREY STARK: THROUGH THIS RELATIVELY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME WITH THE LACK OF INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, I THINK, IS FOOLISH, SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS LET'S TRY TO COLLECT THE INFORMATION, SO WE CAN MAKE SOUND RECOMMENDATIONS.
GREG USRY: WHICH, WHICH IS THE REASON COREY WHY AM I WHY AM I RECOMMEND MY SUGGESTION WAS THE COUNCIL IS THE ULTIMATE DETERMINANT HERE.
GREG USRY: THEY ARE REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I WASN'T SUGGESTING THAT ROB FAULT AND GREG US WE GET TOGETHER AND DECIDE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IT'S RATHER TO COME UP WITH A CONSTRUCT.
GREG USRY: BASED UPON WHAT THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO ACHIEVE AN OPERATIONALLY BRING THAT TO THE COUNCIL FOR AN ULTIMATE DECISION, WHETHER THAT BE IN SIX MONTHS, NINE MONTHS OR A YEAR.
GUY DEMPSEY: TO COME BACK TO THE LIST OF ACTUAL RECOMMENDATIONS I WOULD INTERPRET WHAT GREG IS SAID TO BE TO MEAN THAT WE WOULD ADOPT.
GUY DEMPSEY: RECOMMENDATION WELL THREE.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND, THREE AND FOUR LITTLE I SO WE THAT THE RCP D SHOULD DEVELOP A POLICY FOR COLLECTING STUFF DATA, INCLUDING DATA OF THE DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS, THAT ARE DISCUSSED AND THAT THAT WITHIN THE WITHIN PAYPAL RECOMMENDATIONS 1314 AND 19.
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GUY DEMPSEY: IN FAVOR OF THE. GUY DEMPSEY: ONE THE LIE THAT THE POLICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT WE CREATE GOING FORWARD WILL BE MONITORING IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEREFORE WILL GET AN ADDITIONAL BITE OF THE APPLE WHEN THE RCP DE PRESENTS ITS PROPOSED DATA COLLECTION POLICY FOR ADOPTION BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
TED LIVINGSTON: SURE.
TED LIVINGSTON: THAT YOU KNOW.
GUY DEMPSEY: MAKES THAT MAKES SENSE TO EVERYBODY.
TED LIVINGSTON: IT MAKES SENSE TO ME BUT WHENEVER.
COREY STARK: I HAVE MY HAND UP, MAY I SPEAK FOR.
TED LIVINGSTON: SURE.
JOSH COHN: I WOULD VALUE THE POLICE COMMISSIONER'S AND AND CITY MANAGERS INPUT ON THIS PROCESS, THE CITY MANAGER IS RESPONSIBLE HE'S THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER IS RESPONSIBLE, ULTIMATELY, FOR THE BEHAVIOR OF CITY STAFF AND HAVING THIS GO TO THE.
JOSH COHN: CITY MANAGER AND PUBLIC SAFETY, WELL, THROUGH THE PUBLIC SAFETY.
JOSH COHN: CLEAR TO THE CITY MANAGER IS KEEPING THE LINE OF RESPONSIBILITY WITHIN THE CITY GOVERNMENT, THE WAY THE LINE OF RESPONSIBILITY IS STRUCTURED FOR ALL SENSITIVE DECISIONS FOR ALL DECISIONS FUNDAMENTALLY WITH RESPECT TO STAFF AND THEN IT GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
JOSH COHN: OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, THAT SEEMS TO MAKE A GREAT DEAL OF SENSE TO ME, AND I OFFER IT.
GUY DEMPSEY: I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF.
IT.
JOSH COHN: DOESN'T.
COREY STARK: WORK.
JOSH COHN: IT DOESN'T INVOLVE A A CIVILIAN.
COREY STARK: COMMUNITY WORK.
JOSH COHN: IN THE DETERMINATION.
GUY DEMPSEY: NO THERE'S NO I WASN'T PROPOSING A CONCERNED CITIZENS COMMITTEE IN THE IN THAT REVIEW PROCESS, OTHER THAN WE'VE SUGGESTED IN.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT THE FUTURE COMMITTEE OF THIS GROUP WILL MONITOR IMPLEMENTATION.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND SO THEY GET A VOTE ON WHETHER THEY THINK THE RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED APPROPRIATELY THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT OUR CPD SHOULD GO FORWARD WITH A NEW POLICY AND THAT POLICY NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, WHICH IS, WHICH IS BAKED INTO ANOTHER SET OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS HERE SO.
TED LIVINGSTON: AND THEY SHOULD.
TED LIVINGSTON: THEY SHOULD BE RECOMMENDATIONS THESE THESE SHOULD NOT BE MANDATES, THESE SHOULD BE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT'S WHAT THE GOVERNOR WANTS THAT'S EXACTLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS, THEY CAN BE STRONGLY RECOMMENDED.
TED LIVINGSTON: ON BUT THAT'S NUMBER ONE I AGREE 100% WITH THE MAYOR I'M MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH DULY ELECTED OFFICIALS BEING ABLE TO DO THEIR JOB AND DO THIS THEY'VE SHOWN THEMSELVES TO BE TRUSTWORTHY THEY'VE SHOWN THEMSELVES TO BE COMPETENT.
TED LIVINGSTON: AND I THINK THEY SHOULD DO THIS AND I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE OTHER THING BECAUSE IT'S A HOT ISSUE FOR ME RIGHT NOW OKAY.
TED LIVINGSTON: IT'S SOMETHING REGARDING WHAT AMANDA SAID ABOUT BURGLARIES IF I HAD A NICKEL, THIS IS WHAT I DO FOR THE AND I'VE DONE FOR THE LAST 33 YEARS IF I HAD A NICKEL FOR EVERY BURGLARY WHERE A THIRD PARTY DESCRIBE SOMEBODY.
TED LIVINGSTON: OR PERCEIVED THEM TO BE SOMETHING THEY'RE NOT, I HAVE A CASE RIGHT NOW, WHERE I'M GOING TO BE DISMISSING CHARGES, BECAUSE THE DESCRIPTION WAS A LIGHT SKINNED HISPANIC MALE.
TED LIVINGSTON: AND AN AFRICAN AMERICAN MALE GOT ARRESTED AND I WILL BE DISMISSING THAT CHARGE OKAY, BUT YOU HAVE A LOT PERCEPTION IS NOT JUST A POLICE OFFICER PERCEIVING THINGS PERCEPTION IS A CROSS THE BOARD.
TED LIVINGSTON: IT RELATES TO WITNESSES, IT RELATES TO US AND HOW WE PERCEIVE WHAT THE POLICE ARE DOING AND HOW THEY ACT.
TED LIVINGSTON: IT RELATES TO HOW WE PERCEIVE THE DATA WERE COLLECTING AND IT RELATES TO HOW WE PERCEIVE THE CONCLUSIONS THAT WE'RE DRAWING BASED ON THE DATA SO PERCEPTIONS NOT SINGULAR AS IT APPLIES TO POLICE ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO ADD THOSE THOSE THOSE POINTS AND I'LL SHUT UP.
LISA DOMINICI: HEY I THINK INGRAM HAS BEEN WAITING TO SPEAK, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: I ALWAYS WAIT TO SPEAK TO LAST, BECAUSE IN THE CORNER.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: I I I ALWAYS WAIT WAIT FOR LAST BECAUSE I WANT TO TAKE IT ALL IN AND I, AND ONCE AGAIN I'M TAKING EVERYTHING IN, AND I REALLY LIKE WHAT CORY WAS SAYING AND TED ALL RESPECT YOU I GET IT.
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INGRAHAM TAYLOR: BUT PERCEPTION DOESN'T MEAN A LOT BECAUSE I'M GONNA GIVE ONE EXAMPLE, WHEN COREY WAS SPEAKING I CAN LOOK AT CORY RIGHT NOW, AND IF HE WAS PULLED OVER, AND I WAS A COP OR OR IF HE WAS IN MY FAMILY I HAVE PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY THAT LOOKS LIKE CORY. INGRAHAM TAYLOR: NOW THEY MAY BE BI RACIAL BUT THEY IDENTIFY AS AFRICAN AMERICAN SO IF HE WAS ARRESTED AND YOU MADE A REPORT, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN PUT DOWN AS AFRICAN AMERICANS BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU THAT OKAY SO PERCEPTIONS ARE IMPORTANT.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: I AGREE, WELL I'M JUST SAYING I'M SAYING THAT UM AND THE FACT THAT WHEN HERE'S ANOTHER THING.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: OF ME LIVING HERE FOR ALMOST 60 YEARS BACK IN THE DAY, AS I ALWAYS SAY THIS WAS A DIFFERENT COUNTRY THERE WAS NONE OF THIS CULTURE CANCEL ALL THIS CRAP SO RYAN REALLY LOOKS THE SAME TO ME.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: OKAY.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: SO RIGHT NOW BEING SAFE HERE I'M REMAIN SAFETY I'M HAPPY ABOUT THAT I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THE RIDE PD I OR NOTHING LIKE THAT, BUT COREY AMANDA JAMIE GENEVIEVE.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND TED TO TELL YOU TO THEY COME UP WITH SOME VERY, VERY GOOD POINTS, AND WHAT I'M AFRAID OF I'M GONNA SAY IT AGAIN WHETHER I WAS HEARD A MONTH AGO, OR WHATEVER.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: THAT I WOULD HATE TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN IN THIS COMMUNITY WHICH WHICH WE WHAT I HEAR IS THAT YOU'RE THINKING THAT SOMETHING CAN'T HAPPEN HERE.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: BUT IT CAN AND THAT'S WHAT WORRIES ME WHILE WE'RE BEING SO CAREFULLY NOT BEING ACCOUNTABLE AND TRANSPARENT THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT UPSETS ME BECAUSE I'M BLACK.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND AND I'VE SAID IT BEFORE I CAN RIGHT NOW WALK DOWN PURCHASE STREET AND GO INTO A STORE, NO ONE KNOWS I LIVED HERE FOR 60 YEARS.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: IF SOMEBODY BREAKS IN UP AT FOREST AVENUE IN THE HOUSE AND I'M ROB YOU WERE CALLED AND THE POLICE IS CALLED OUT THERE AND LIKE YOU SAID A WHITE CAR, THEY SAID THE SPEED NOW AND YOU STOPPED IN WHITE CARS.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: THE PERCEPTION TO THAT COP MAYBE THIS GUY DID IT GOES HE'S BLACK YOU DON'T KNOW.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: YOU JUST DON'T KNOW, SO I THINK THAT WHAT AMANDA WAS SAYING AND COREY WAS SAYING ABOUT THE SOFTWARE, THE BODY CAN I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY EVERYBODY HAS A BIG DEAL ABOUT THE BODY CAMS OH I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE BECAUSE WE WATCH GEORGE FLOYD DIE.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: ON THE BODY CAM IS THAT THE SCARY PART OF ALL THIS.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: YOU KNOW I SAID I WASN'T GOING TO GET UPSET BUT AND I'M REALLY NOT SO DON'T DON'T READ ME WRONG EVERYBODY CUZ I'M THANKFUL THAT YOU THAT JOSH THAT YOU REACHED OUT FOR ME TO SIT ON ON ON HERE BUT I'VE GOT LIKE 60 YEARS OF STUFF IN THIS TOWN, REGARDLESS OF MY COLOR.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: SO I'M TRYING TO JUST LIKE CORY SAID TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FACT THAT IT IS A COMMUNITY COALITION, RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE JOSH I'M SORRY TO SAY.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND GREG I AGREE, I UNDERSTAND, ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING TO BUT, AS I SAID, WE WE ARE COMMUNITY TRYING TO WORK ON THIS THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE COUNTRY.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: SO NOW WE'RE DIVIDE IT WE CAN'T WORK TOGETHER.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY HAVE A BLESSED DAY.
LISA DOMINICI: THANK YOU, WE APPRECIATE THOSE WORDS WE APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S WORDS ON THIS CALL.
LISA DOMINICI: I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO I THINK UNDERSTANDING THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY OF THIS COMMITTEE, WHICH REALLY IS TO PROVIDE.
LISA DOMINICI: A RECOMMENDED PLAN TO THE CITY AND THE CITY ULTIMATELY WILL DECIDE HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.
LISA DOMINICI: HEARING I THINK WHAT WHAT GREG STARTED TO SAY IN SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD THE LAST FEW DAYS, WHAT I WOULD PUT FORWARD TO RECOMMEND IS.
LISA DOMINICI: THAT WE DO HAVE, STARTING WITH THE COMMISSIONER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE CITY MANAGER CONDUCT A REVIEW AND STUDY OF DATA PERTAINING TO THE POLICE IN OUR COMMUNITY, THE STUDY SHOULD DETERMINE WHAT DEMOGRAPHIC AND WHAT DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION AND DATA SHOULD BE COLLECTED.
LISA DOMINICI: WHAT DEMOGRAPHIC AND DATA SHOULD BE COLLECTED AND THE PURPOSE, I DATA WILL SERVE TO IMPROVE POLICING THAT SHOULD ALL BE PART OF THAT STUDY AND REVIEW THAT STUDY REVIEW WOULD THAT BE PUT FORTH TO CITY COUNCIL, AS WE RECOMMENDED MAYBE WITH INPUT, OR YOU KNOW.
LISA DOMINICI: REVIEW BY THE COMMITTEE WHICH WE'LL GET TO MAYBE NEXT MEETING, BUT I THINK THE LANGUAGE IS STRONGLY THIS COMMITTEE STRONGLY.
LISA DOMINICI: RECOMMENDS, YOU KNOW PERCEPTION DATA DATA THAT CAPTURES THAT PERCEPTION STRONGLY RECOMMENDS DATA REGARDING ACCOUNTING, YOU KNOW, ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANS TRANSPARENCY AND.
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LISA DOMINICI: THAT RECOMMENDATION INCLUDES AS WHETHER IT'S. LISA DOMINICI: PART OF THE APPENDIX OR AN ADDENDUM THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT THAT WENT INTO ALL OF OUR WORK RIGHT SO WE'RE INCLUDING ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT DATA POINTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
LISA DOMINICI: THAT GOES INTO OUR RECOMMENDATION, SO THAT WHEN THAT STUDY IS DONE, THEY NEED TO AT LEAST REVIEW THOSE DATA POINTS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING.
LISA DOMINICI: THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING SO BECAUSE WE'RE I DON'T THINK AS A COMMITTEE WE'RE GOING TO DETERMINE EVERY SINGLE DATA POINT THAT'S COLLECTED, WE CAN ONLY STRONGLY RECOMMEND AND THEN PUT IT TOWARDS A PROCESS TO MAKE THAT HAPPENED.
COREY STARK: I SUPPORT THAT RECOMMENDATION.
JOSH COHN: I SUPPORT THAT RECOMMENDATION.
DET. GABE CAPUTO: I DO IT WELL.
LISA DOMINICI: DOES ANYBODY NOT SUPPORT THAT RECOMMENDATION.
LISA DOMINICI: OKAY, SO WE WILL CREATE LANGUAGE THAT I THINK REFLECTS THAT AND AND AND SUBMIT THAT OKAY.
DANIEL LOVE: GUYS THAT RECOMMENDATION CLOSE TO WHAT YOU SUGGESTED A FEW MOMENTS AGO.
I THINK.
GUY DEMPSEY: IT'S CHIPS ACCEPTED SO CALLING IT A STUDY, RATHER THAN AN ACTUAL POLICY TO BE CREATING OKAY.
LISA DOMINICI: I THINK THAT THE STUDY WHEN IT GETS THE CITY COUNCIL WILL THEN IMPLEMENTED AS A POLICY, I THINK IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THAT REVIEW AND DETERMINATION TO.
LISA DOMINICI: TO THEN HAVE IT ADOPTED AS A POLICY.
DANIEL LOVE: GREAT.
DET. GABE CAPUTO: MAYBE.
DET. GABE CAPUTO: CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE POLICY NEEDS TO BE IMPLEMENTED BY THE GOVERNMENT, HERE I MEAN WE I DON'T THINK THIS BODY OF PEOPLE HERE AS THE AUTHORITY TO.
LISA DOMINICI: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT BEING THE CITY COUNCIL GAME.
DET. GABE CAPUTO: THAT'S RIGHT, I MEAN.
LISA DOMINICI: YEAH THAT THE POLICY WOULD BE ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S.
GUY DEMPSEY: WHAT WE'VE WHAT WE'VE BEEN TECHNICALLY DISCUSSING ALL ALONG, IS THAT THE THE RIGHT POLICE OR THE COMMITTEE SORRY THE COMMISSION REPUBLIC SAFETY.
GUY DEMPSEY: COMBINED TO CREATE A POLICY THAT POLICIES NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL THAT'S WAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: IT SEEMS TO WORK.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: AND, AT LEAST I CAN I CAN I JUST ASK.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: ONE CLARIFICATION, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO A COLLECTED DATA BUT ALSO WE SAID PERCEPTION, SO WE ARE GOING TO ASK POLICE AT EVERY STOP OR.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: INTERACTION TO PUT THEIR PERCEIVED RACE AND GENDER OF THE INDIVIDUAL THEY ENCOUNTERED AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A CHECKBOX THAT SAYS OTHER OR I DON'T KNOW.
LISA DOMINICI: SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.
LISA DOMINICI: YOU THINK YOU'RE GETTING INTO THOSE WEEDS HERE, I THINK.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: THE WEEDS ARE THEY SAID A WEED ARE WE GOING TO RECOMMEND OR FIND A WAY WE SAID COLLECT DATA AND PERCEPTION SO ARE WE SAYING I KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING HOW WE'RE COLLECTING THE DATA.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: BUT ARE WE SAYING WE ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT POLICE PUT FORTH THEIR PERCEPTION OF THE INDIVIDUAL CERTAIN CHARACTERISTIC IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING I WANTED TO JUST I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
LISA DOMINICI: I THINK WE'RE SAYING.
LISA DOMINICI: WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND OUR STRONG RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE POLICY DETERMINE SOME WAY FOR THE POLICE TO TO CAPTURE THAT PERCEPTION DATA.
LISA DOMINICI: SO IF IT'S THAT AND WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY FOR STOP DATA SO WE'RE THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION I THINK GREG AND THE COMMISSIONER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, LOOK AT HOW TO DO THAT AND COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW TO ACHIEVE THAT.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: RIGHT, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S FROM THE POLICE, SO WE ARE WANTING WE'RE GOING TO RECORD OR RECOMMEND THAT THE POLICE WHO MAKES US STOP EITHER WRITE IT DOWN THEMSELVES TELL A SUPERVISOR WE'RE.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: GOING TO BE.
LISA DOMINICI: OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT IS.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: JUST WANT TO BE JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.
LISA DOMINICI: BECAUSE ALL OF THE ALL EVERYTHING THAT IN THIS FULL COMMITTEE REPORT, RIGHT NOW, WILL BE PART OF THAT.
LISA DOMINICI: OKAY, YOU SEARCH DOCUMENT FOR THE RECOMMENDATION SO IT'S NOT GOING TO JUST DISAPPEAR BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING THIS IS A STUDY THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WE'RE GOOD, IT WILL BE THERE NEEDS TO STILL BE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR WHAT WE WANT TO SEE.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: I ALSO WANT TO JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO ENCOURAGE THIS COMMITTEE AND FUTURE COMMITTEES TO PUT OUT MORE INVITATIONS TO OUR BLACK COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: BECAUSE HEARING INGRAM SPEAK AND REPRESENT THE BLACK EXPERIENCE AND THE ONLY BLACK COMMITTEE MEMBER THAT WE HAVE PUTS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESPONSIBILITY ON INGRAM AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR, SO PLEASE MAKE A NOTE OF THAT THAT FORTHCOMING.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: TO HAVE A MORE REPRESENTATIVE COMMITTEE INGRAM, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE SPACE THAT YOU DID I APPRECIATE HEARING FROM YOU ALWAYS.
TED LIVINGSTON: WE ALL DO THANK YOU.
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INGRAHAM TAYLOR: NO, THANK YOU, YOU DON'T NEED TO THANK ME I'M I'M WITH YOU GUYS, THANK YOU. GENEVIEVE WEBER: PERHAPS SHOULDN'T BE THE ONLY BLACK COMMITTEE MEMBER.
JOSH COHN: WELL, I JUST LIKE.
JOSH COHN: I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE DID ASK OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR TO JOIN, AND IN FACT I INVITED INGRAM TO REACH OUT TO OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR TO JOIN THE COMMITTEE AND.
JOSH COHN: FORTUNATELY, WE HAD NO TAKERS.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT AND THAT'S ANOTHER POINT THAT'S A GOOD POINT THAT YOU BRING UP AND I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT, AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA SIT HERE, LIKE ME AND SAY THE REAL DEAL HOW I FEEL.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW THAT'S THE WHOLE THING YOU GOT TO KNOW OUR HISTORY, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING THE HISTORY IS IS THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO TALK.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: KNOW THAT BELIEVE ME I'M 67 YEARS OLD, SO I'VE SEEN QUITE A FEW THINGS I WAS HERE DURING THE CIVIL RIGHTS ERA NOW AND I'M SEEING THE COMMON TRYING TO COME BACK AGAIN I'M TRYING TO LIVE 1865 I'M.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: KNOW THAT THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY DID I EVEN REACHED OUT, AND I KNOW LIKE YOU KNOW YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL I I CAN'T PUSH NOBODY, I CAN ONLY DO ME.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: YOU KNOW, BUT SO JUST JUST I MEAN I LIKE I SAID I'M NOT REALLY UPSET, BUT I AM TIRED OF EVEN WATCHING COUNTRY WHY ARE PEOPLE JUST NOT GETTING ALONG.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: I GREW UP IN THIS PLACE AND THEN NEVER SAW COLOR WHEN I GOT HERE YOU GUYS HAVE ENLIGHTENED ME MAN I'M SERIOUS AND ANYBODY CAN TELL YOU THAT, WHO KNOWS ME ON THE SCREEN.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND I'M SITTING ON ANOTHER COMMITTEE IN THIS TOWN TO THAT REACHED OUT TO ME THEY'VE ENLIGHTENED ME LISA.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: I'VE LEARNED FROM LISA AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE NOW THAT I DIDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT WAS GOING ON IN MY OWN COMMUNITY BUT 50 YEARS THAT SADDENS ME.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND THEY'LL TELL YOU I'VE SAID THAT TO THEM, IT SADDENS ME THAT I CAN'T I INGRAM TAYLOR THAT IS RESIDING A TENDENCY TO PLACE CAN'T WALK DOWN PURCHASE THREE NOT BEING THOUGHT OF THIS MAYBE A NANNY.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: CUZ I'M BROWN.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND I ATTENDED MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY I'M SORRY AND NO DISRESPECT TO ANYBODY HOW MANY WHITE PEOPLE THAT I'VE SAT DOWN IN MIDDLE SCHOOL TO PICK UP MY GRANDDAUGHTER CERTAIN OCCASIONS AND ON PURPOSE.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: I WILL SAY OH MY GOD I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY ADDED THAT AND THEY LOOK AT ME NOT SAYING ANYTHING, AND I SAID OH, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT HERE WHEN I CAME HERE OH, YOU WENT TO SCHOOL HERE.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: YES, I DO.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SO PROUD AND HAPPY TO SAY THAT BECAUSE MY MOTHER AND FATHER WORKED HARD TO GET HERE.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND I THINK GOD THAT I'M STILL HERE.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND GOD, THERE WAS A REASON THAT GOD HAD JOSH TO CALL ME YOU SORRY THAT YOU DID THAT NOW DONE JOSH.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING SO.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT I DO HAVE TO SAY WHAT I GOT TO SAY I DID START THE BLACK STUDENT UNION WITH ALL THE KIDS IN 1970 AND RAW HIGH SCHOOL SO BUT I'M NOT RADICAL.
BUT THANK YOU ANYWAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK FOR TODAY'S WORK, WE WILL SORT OF END ON THE ON THE NOTE THAT WE'RE GOING TO AT LEAST, AND I WILL COME TOGETHER TO PUT.
GUY DEMPSEY: TO DRAFT A REVISION OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, REFLECTING THE CONVERSATION TODAY AND WILL DISTRIBUTE THAT THEN THE NEXT SORT OF ITEM BUSINESSES THAT WE NEED TO HAVE OBVIOUSLY MORE OF THESE MEETINGS TO CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATION.
GUY DEMPSEY: WEEKLY YOU CAN'T WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF TIME TO DO THIS ON A ONE WEEK SPACE SPACING.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO WE COULD WOULD PEOPLE MIND DOING ANOTHER LUNCHTIME CALL TOMORROW OR MONDAY, OR DO THEY HAVE STRONG PREFERENCES, OR SHOULD WE MOVE ONE TO AN EVENING SESSION.
GUY DEMPSEY: TO PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT.
PATRICK MCGOVERN: I COULD DO MONDAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: CAN DO MONDAY, AT NOON.
GUY DEMPSEY: I.
TED LIVINGSTON: AM.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: TRUST ME AS WELL.
GUY DEMPSEY: ALL RIGHT.
COREY STARK: WELL THEN, I, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, THOUGH I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHEN WE MEET AGAIN RESTRICTION ON BREATHING IN PEER REVIEW.
GUY DEMPSEY: BUT ABSOLUTELY OH WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH EVERY RECOMMENDATION IN THE LIST.
GUY DEMPSEY: OKAY, GREAT ALRIGHT SO WE'LL WE'RE ADJOURNED FOR TODAY, WE WILL DISTRIBUTE A REVISED RECOMMENDATIONS, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION TODAY AND WE'LL HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING ON NOON ON MONDAY.
JOSH COHN: THANKS EVERYONE FOR.
TED LIVINGSTON: THANK YOU VERY.
SUSAN WATSON: MUCH EVERYBODY.
JENN BOYLE: THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
