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GUY DEMPSEY: WELL, I THINK, WAS THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS WOULD BE TO COLLECT ANY.
[Rye Police Department Review on March 3, 2021]
GUY DEMPSEY: COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE REVISED DATA COLLECTION AND ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS. GUY DEMPSEY: WE'VE HAD A FEW SMALL DRAFTING POINTS WHICH I DON'T THINK CHANGE ANY OF THE SUBSTANCE WHICH WILL INCORPORATE.
GUY DEMPSEY: BUT.
GUY DEMPSEY: DOES ANYBODY HAVE A.
GUY DEMPSEY: POINTS THEY WANT TO MAKE ABOUT THOSE TWO REVISIONS.
GUY DEMPSEY: OKAY WELL THAT.
GREG USRY: GUY DIDN'T SORRY TO INTERRUPT DID, AND I KNOW THE MAYOR HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS HE WANTED TO REACH OUT TO YOU AT LEAST ON I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE SPOKEN OR NOT.
GUY DEMPSEY: YET, YES, WE DID THAT'S THOSE THE DRAFTING POINTS THAT CAME UP.
GUY DEMPSEY: I GUESS WHAT MENTIONED ONE INPUT IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE IT HAS.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK TECHNICALS CORRECTION WHICH IS, WHICH IS IMPORTANT IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE FIRST ITEM IS.
GUY DEMPSEY: MONITORING IMPLEMENTATION, THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND JOSH HAS SUGGESTED WE AGREE, IT WOULD BE MONITORING IMPLEMENTATION BY OUR CPD OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY THIS COMMITTEE, AS ADOPTED BY THE RICE CITY COUNCIL.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO THE COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE IS SIMPLY GOING TO LOOK AT WHAT NOT FULLY WHAT THEY RECOMMEND BUT RATHER WHAT THE RICE CITY COUNCIL ACTUALLY ADOPTS OUT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS SORT OF REFLECTING BETTER THAN THE PROPER ALLOCATION OF RESPONSIBILITIES.
GUY DEMPSEY: IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS ON THE REVISED RECOMMENDATIONS.
COREY STARK: AND AS HIS HAND UP.
GUY DEMPSEY: SORRY.
TED LIVINGSTON: YEAH OKAY, THANK YOU, THANK YOU CASEY I THOUGHT THE MAYOR HAD A VERY VALID POINT WHICH SHOULD BE ADDED, WHEN WE MET LAST AND I DON'T SEE THE CORRECTION THINK WITH ANYONE OBJECTED TO IT, YOU JUST TO SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT IN THE.
TED LIVINGSTON: POLICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
TED LIVINGSTON: RECOMMENDATION, THAT BEING THAT THE COMMITTEE SHOULD HAVE HIS WORD SHOULD HAVE AN ADVISORY AND COLLABORATIVE ROLE, NOT AN OVERSIGHT ROLE THOSE WORDS WERE.
TED LIVINGSTON: AND HE MADE A KIND OF A FUNNY REMARK ABOUT THE WILL BE PAINFULLY FEW OF US WATCHING ARE FEW FEW PEOPLE WATCHING THE RECORDINGS OF THESE MEETINGS SO BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: WELL WE'VE HAD SOME BACK AND FORTH ON THAT PARTICULAR WORDING ON BALANCE, WE THINK THAT ADDING ANOTHER STATEMENT THAT AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS ADVISORY WHEN WE'VE ALREADY SAID IT TWICE.
GUY DEMPSEY: DOESN'T REALLY MAKE MUCH SENSE, AND WE ALSO FEEL IT'S RATHER DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE HOW ONE COULD MEASURE WHETHER A COMMITTEE IS BEING COLLABORATIVE OR NOT.
GUY DEMPSEY: AS OPPOSED TO THESE, THESE ARE NICE PUFF WORDS BUT THEY'RE NOT PARTICULARLY HELPFUL IN THE FORM OF DETERMINING WHETHER WE IMPLEMENTED A PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION.
LISA DOMINICI: ALTHOUGH WE DID IDENTIFY AND LITTLE INTO TWO LITTLE EYES THAT WE ADDED THE WORD COLLABORATIVE COLLABORATIVELY THERE SO PROVIDING A FORUM TO COLLABORATIVELY ADDRESS PLEASE AND COMMUNITY ISSUES.
LISA DOMINICI: WE DID ADD THAT THAT WORD SPECIFICALLY THERE.
TED LIVINGSTON: YEAH I'M WHAT MY CONCERN IS MORE THE MAKING SURE IT'S CLEAR IT'S NOT AN OVERSIGHT ROLE, IN OTHER WORDS, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOU KNOW, REMOVING ADVISORY COLLABORATIVE IT'S MENTIONED FOR ALLOWED WHAT'S NOT MENTIONED IN HERE SPECIFICALLY.
TED LIVINGSTON: IS THAT THIS COMMITTEE DOES NOT HAVE AN OVERSIGHT ROLE UM, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT JUST ADDING THAT LINE.
GUY DEMPSEY: AGAIN THIS, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO THE RICE CITY COUNCIL THE CITY COUNCIL WILL ADOPT WHATEVER IT ADOPTION, WHETHER IT'S THEY THEY NEED TO EMPHASIZE AND IT'S NOT AN OVERSIGHT ROLE THEY CAN DO THAT I JUST THINK THIS IS THIS IS OVER EGGING THE PUTTING IN TERMS OF DRAFTING.
SUSAN WATSON: AND I ADD ONE MORE EGG THEN GUY.
SUSAN WATSON: THERE WAS THERE WAS JUST IT'S A IT'S A SMALL NET, BUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, I THINK.
SUSAN WATSON: IT WAS IT'S NOW WORDED SHOULD INCLUDE BUT BUT NOT NOT BE LIMITED TO I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO SAY MAY INCLUDE SO THAT SOME OF THOSE THINGS WILL BE IN OR OUT BUT WE DIDN'T TRY TO DEFINE OR LIMIT ALL OR NONE OF THE THINGS.
SUSAN WATSON: AND I THINK WE USE THE WORD SHOULD INSTEAD OF MAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND DON'T HAVE A STRONG FEELING ABOUT THIS, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IT'S IT'S THE I GUESS PEOPLE PUT IN THOSE THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS, SO THAT THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED.
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GUY DEMPSEY: I THOUGHT THE SOFTENING LANGUAGE WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COULD BE CONSIDERED AND REJECTED IF THE PEOPLE MAKING THE DECISIONS THOUGHTS SO. GUY DEMPSEY: THE DO PEOPLE FEEL THAT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAY AND SHOULD.
LISA DOMINICI: I DO.
TED LIVINGSTON: OKAY.
LISA DOMINICI: YEAH LIKE ME NOT OTHERS I.
TED LIVINGSTON: AGREE.
JENN BOYLE: I WOULD AGREE TO I THINK IF YOU'RE GONNA SOFTEN IT SO THAT.
JENN BOYLE: THERE'S FLEXIBILITY IS THE WORD HE'D WANT TO USE.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO.
JENN BOYLE: THAT LAST.
JENN BOYLE: LINE IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH GUY.
SUSAN WATSON: IS REPEATED ANOTHER TIME TOO, BUT IT'S IN IT, BUT I THOUGHT I THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO NOT LIMIT WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO SO, IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE OUT THERE COULD BE MORE THAT COULD BE LESS.
LISA DOMINICI: I REALLY THINK WE WANTED TO SAY, WE WANTED, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THESE THINGS WERE ADDRESSED AND THEN IT'S STILL THEIR RECOMMENDATION OF HOW THEY ADDRESS THEM, BUT WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE ENSURE THAT THESE ITEMS ARE DRESSED IN ADDITION TO WHICH WHATEVER ITEMS MIGHT ARISE.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO, ARE YOU AGREEING YOU TO AGREEING OR DISAGREEING I'M NOW A LITTLE LOST.
COREY STARK: DISAGREEING TO ME NOW.
LISA DOMINICI: WELL, I FROM I THINK IT SHOULD SAY SHOULD NOT MAKE.
LISA DOMINICI: IS MY OPINION.
COREY STARK: I AGREE WITH THAT.
TED LIVINGSTON: I VOTE.
TED LIVINGSTON: I THINK IT SHOULD BE SOFTER.
GUY DEMPSEY: TO WRAP THIS UP QUICKLY LET'S HAVE A QUICK SHOW OF HANDS.
LISA DOMINICI: THIS ENTIRE THIS ENTIRE DOCUMENT IS A MAY RIGHT BECAUSE THE COUNCIL STILL HAVE TO TAKE EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION TO RECOMMEND IT SO IN ESSENCE.
JOSH COHN: OF ITALY, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA.
OH WELL.
JOSH COHN: YES, YEAH I'M NOT SURE WHAT WHAT PROVISION WORLD I'M SORRY I CAME LATE BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO IN AND.
JOSH COHN: CHANGE SHOOTS TO ME AND MAIZE MAZE TWO SHIRTS WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THAT GRANULAR I'M SURE.
COREY STARK: BUT I THINK THAT'S THE POINT IS THAT YOU DON'T WHEN YOU'RE MAKING YOUR WHEN YOU'RE MAKING A ADOPTING SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO.
COREY STARK: BE THAT GRANULAR GRANULAR WE ARE GOING TO ACCEPT THESE AS RECOMMENDATIONS AND PURSUE IT FURTHER THROUGH THERE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WHAT LISA IS SAYING IS THAT.
COREY STARK: WE, AS A COMMITTEE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE INFORMATION IS SHOULD INCLUDE.
COREY STARK: AND I THINK SUSAN IS SAYING MAY INCLUDE.
COREY STARK: SO IF WE'RE MAKING A STRONG RECOMMENDATION AND WE'RE SAYING THAT THESE ARE THE AREAS, BUT IT COULD BE EXPANDED ON.
SUSAN WATSON: THAT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO REJECT THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BECAUSE IT'S A SHOULD NOT HAVE MAY THEY HAVE OPTIONS WITH MA.
COREY STARK: YEAH BUT THEY COULD ALWAYS THEY COULD ALWAYS LIMITED AND SAY I MEAN THEY CAN THEY CAN ALSO REJECT ALL THE SUGGESTIONS AND JUST SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION WILL FIGURE OUT HOW LATER, THEY CAN DO THAT TOO.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THIS SHOOT INCLUDES THE COMMISSIONER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, I THINK THAT.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: THE COMMISSIONER MAY THINK THAT IT'S NOT THE BEST USE OF TIME LATER ON IN TWO YEARS, AND THREE YEARS AND FOUR YEARS AND MAY DESIGNATE SOMEONE ELSE, SO I.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: I DO AGREE WITH THE MAIN WILL GIVE YOU MORE FLEXIBILITY, BUT I'M BUT I'M YOU KNOW, LIKE LIKE JOSH SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH YOU KNOW HE JUST OTHER WE HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE, BECAUSE TIMES CHANGE AND IN THE FALL.
LISA DOMINICI: I'M COMPLETELY FINE WITH ME AND THAT SENTENCE, BUT NOT ME IN THE LAST BUT ALSO WE HAVE GABE WHO'S STILL CAN'T RAISE HIS HAND.
LISA DOMINICI: ON SCREEN, SO WE HAVE GAME, WE HAVE SHAHID AND SUSAN ARE YOU IS YOUR HANDS TO LOVE.
SUSAN WATSON: UP SORRY WE'LL TAKE IT DOWN.
LISA DOMINICI: OKAY, SO HE GAVE ME HE.
LISA DOMINICI: GAVE YOUR UP.
GABE CAPUTO: NARCISSISTIC WE'RE IN THE WEEDS I MEAN MAY IS EASIEST THING TO PUT THERE BECAUSE IT MAKES EVERYBODY HAPPY AND KIND OF CHECKS THE BOX AND WE CAN MOVE ON THAT'S REALLY ALL I WANTED TO SAY THERE.
LISA DOMINICI: SHE DID YOU HAVE COMMON.
LISA DOMINICI: YOU'RE MUTED YOU'RE MUTED SHAHID.
SHAHID B. MALIK: SORRY ABOUT THAT NO BE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND I THINK THESE ARE ITEMS, YOU KNOW, A SMALL I UNTIL.
SHAHID B. MALIK: ROMAN NUMERAL FOUR, I THINK WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND I THINK IF WE DILUTE THIS LANGUAGE AND BASICALLY SAY WELL.
SHAHID B. MALIK: MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN THEN IT'S IT WAS A WASTE OF OUR TIME, SO I AGREE WITH YOU LISA IT, YOU KNOW WE HAVE BEEN YOU KNOW GOING ABOUT THIS, WHETHER IT SHOULD BE ME OR, SHOULD I THINK IT SHOULD BE SHOULD, AND THEN WE TAKE IT FROM THERE.
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SHAHID B. MALIK: THANK YOU. GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK THAT MAY BE CONFUSION ABOUT THEIR THEIR I REALIZE NOW THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS ABOUT WORDING ONE IS ABOUT MEMBERSHIP.
GUY DEMPSEY: SHOULD INCLUDE OR MAY INCLUDE AND THEN THE POINT I THOUGHT WE WERE DISCUSSING IS THE DUTIES OF THE COMMITTEE SHOULD INCLUDE BUT NOT BE LIMITED TO, AND I THINK THE.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE VIEWS STATED OR WEEK PERHAPS YOUR CHANGE SHOULD TO MAY IN THE REFERENCE TO MEMBERSHIP LEAVE SHOULD, AS SHOULD IN THE REFERENCE TO THE DUTIES, I.
SHAHID B. MALIK: AGREE YEAH.
COREY STARK: OKAY WELL.
OKAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION ON THAT AND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
GUY DEMPSEY: IF NOBODY ELSE HAS WILL MAKE THOSE SMALL CHANGES.
JAMIE JENSEN: I CAN USE REAL ESTATE THAT THAT'S ALL JUST RESTATE IT I'M NOT GONNA TALK.
JAMIE JENSEN: I JUST WANT TO HEAR THE STATED.
JOSH COHN: BEFORE FOR THE RESTATEMENT GUY I HAD MY HAND UP.
GUY DEMPSEY: OH I'M SORRY I DIDN'T SEE THAT YEAH.
JOSH COHN: I SEE WHERE WE ARE IT AT THE LAST MEETING EVERYBODY HAD AGREED TO INSERT AN AFFIRMATIVE STATEMENT THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: WE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT JOSH WE.
GUY DEMPSEY: PARK WAS RAISED BY TED AND.
GUY DEMPSEY: WE HAD A FEELING THAT WE DID NOT NEED THE EXTRA REFERENCE TO ADVISORY OR EXTRA REFERENCE TO COLLABORATIVE THERE, WE HAD TO ACTUALLY PUT THE WORD COLLABORATIVE IN TO LIE.
JOSH COHN: WE SAYING THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE AN OVERSIGHT FUNCTION, I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THIS IS A STATEMENT THAT'S GOING TO LAST FOR DECADES.
COREY STARK: I AGREE.
COREY STARK: WE AGREE THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE AN OVERSIGHT FUNCTION.
TED LIVINGSTON: I AGREE 100% WITH THE MAYOR, I ABSOLUTELY THINK.
JOSH COHN: THAT WE SHOULD HAVE AN AFFIRMATIVE STATEMENT THAT.
JOSH COHN: THIS IS.
JOSH COHN: NOT AN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
TED LIVINGSTON: EXACTLY WRONG.
JOSH COHN: I THAT I LIKE.
GUY DEMPSEY: LET'S HAVE A QUICK.
GUY DEMPSEY: QUICK VOTE ON THAT.
JOSH COHN: I'M SORRY.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK LET'S MOVE TO GET THIS GOING FORWARD LET'S HAVE A QUICK VOTE ON THAT.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: MAY I JUST READ THE DEFINITION OF MONITOR A'S OBSERVE AND CHECK THEIR PROGRESS OR QUALITY OF SOMETHING OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, KEEP UNDER SYSTEMATIC REVIEW IS THAT I MEAN TO OBSERVE AND CHECK THE PROGRESS.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: IS THAT JUST TO TO TO YOU KNOW, TO KNOW WHAT MONITORING MEANS.
JOSH COHN: IF ANYTHING.
JOSH COHN: I'M I'M THINKING ABOUT HOW THE WHAT THIS COMMITTEE MAY.
JOSH COHN: DO IN YEARS TO COME, AND WHAT THIS COMMITTEE MAY BE ASKED TO DO AND I'M ASKING THIS WHEN I SAY THIS COMMITTEE, THE CIVILIAN.
JOSH COHN: COMMITTEE I'M ASKING THIS COMMITTEE TO AFFIRMATIVELY STATE WHAT I THINK IS THE CLEAR VIEW OF THE COMMITTEE THAT WE'RE NOT ESTABLISHING.
JOSH COHN: A AN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AND AS AS A MAYOR, WHO HAS SAID OCCASION TO LOOK BACK TO THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS OF SOME OF OUR COMMITTEES OVER TIME TO TO AS AS I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT APPOINTMENTS OR I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ISSUES THAT SORT OF CLARITY, I THINK, WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
GUY DEMPSEY: LET'S LET'S HAVE A QUICK VOTE ON THAT, SO WE DON'T.
LISA DOMINICI: I'M SORRY I'M SORRY BEN HAD HIS.
BEN STACKS: HAND I MEAN NONE OF THE COMMITTEE'S IN THE CITY, HAVE ANY OVERSIGHT THEY'RE ALL ADVISORY SO I MEAN I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT I DO, BUT YOU KNOW I THINK IT'S.
BEN STACKS: I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THAT YOU'VE GOT EVERY OTHER CITY EVERY OTHER COMMITTEE IN THE CITY WITH AN ADVISORY SETUP I MEAN I GUESS IT'S OKAY TO SAY IT AGAIN, BUT I THINK YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT HISTORY AND THE CITY CODE IN OUR FAVOR OF SAYING THIS IS MERELY ADVISORY BUT.
LISA DOMINICI: JUST THANK YOU BEN GAVE HAS HIS HAND UP AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE.
GABE CAPUTO: GAME, I MEAN I THINK THAT'S THAT LANGUAGE SHOULD BE IN THERE, SINCE YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULDN'T SHOULDN'T DO TYPE OF THING.
GABE CAPUTO: IF WE LEAVE ANY ROOM FOR INTERPRETATION IN THE FUTURE.
GABE CAPUTO: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO DO WITH THAT AND I THINK, BECAUSE WE ALL FEEL THAT THIS SHOULD BE A PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE INTERACT AND BUILD TRUST AND RELATIONSHIP, IF WE ADD THAT LITTLE SNIPPET I THINK THAT HELPS DE ESCALATE WHAT THIS.
GABE CAPUTO: YOU KNOW ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS SUPPOSED TO DO.
LISA DOMINICI: SO LET'S, I GUESS, WE CAN GO TO VOTE, I MEAN I, MY POSITION IS THAT WE ALL AGREE THAT IT'S NOT AN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AND THEN IT'S AN ADVISORY SO I DON'T SEE THE HARM AND PUTTING THAT LANGUAGE IN BUT THAT'S MY OPINION SO UM YOU KNOW.
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CAROLINA JOHNSON: IT SOUNDS IT SOUNDS GOOD, THEN I MEAN IF IF IT MAKES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MORE COMFORTABLE INVITING INTO THESE ADVISORY COMMITTEE THEN I'M HAPPY WITH THAT. LISA DOMINICI: SO THERE WAS THIS POINT THOSE OPPOSE PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
GUY DEMPSEY: OKAY, THANK YOU WANT TO TAKE YOUR HAND DOWN.
LISA DOMINICI: ALRIGHT, SO LET'S MOVE ON YEAH.
JOSH COHN: I WAS THINKING OF THIS HAND BUT.
LISA DOMINICI: THANK YOU THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S GREAT.
COREY STARK: AND ARE WE DONE WITH THE ISSUE OF SHOULD OR MAY THEN.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK WE ARE ON WE CHANGE MAY ONE PLACE, AND SHOULD, ANOTHER PLACE GREAT LET'S LET'S TRY AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SET OF CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS OVER THE MORE CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS. GUY DEMPSEY: THIS WOULD BE BETWEEN.
GUY DEMPSEY: RIGHT INTO THE NEW REVISED LIST, THIS IS THE.
GUY DEMPSEY: ITEM ON CHOKEHOLD WHICH I BELIEVE IS NOW RECOMMENDATIONS 17 AND THERE'S ALSO A RECOMMENDATION.
GUY DEMPSEY: IN TERMS OF A WHISTLEBLOWER AND AN ANTI RETALIATION POLICY, AND I THINK BOTH OF THOSE RUINS COURT COREY WAS FELT STRONGLY ABOUT SECURITY, WOULD YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE YEAH.
COREY STARK: CAN I I'D LIKE TO DO IN THE OPPOSITE ORDER.
COREY STARK: OKAY, BECAUSE IF IF I RUN OUT OF TIME, BECAUSE I HAVE VERY LITTLE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M HEARD ON THIS, BECAUSE I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE IS A LITTLE A LITTLE EASIER.
COREY STARK: WHEN WE WERE TALKING YESTERDAY, THE ONLY PLACE THAT I THINK I HAVE ANY EXPERTISE IS ON RETALIATION.
SO.
COREY STARK: HUNDRED 90% OF THE WORK I DO IS DISCRIMINATION RETALIATION.
COREY STARK: SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT I DON'T TAKE MOST OF THE CASES BUT ABOUT 200 PEOPLE COME TO ME A YEAR TO TALK ABOUT DISCRIMINATION RETALIATION ISSUES.
COREY STARK: AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT, GENERALLY, I ASKED PEOPLE QUESTIONS LIKE DID YOU COMPLAIN, AND THE ANSWER IS NO, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET FIRED SO I WORK IN THE EMPLOYMENT CONTEXT.
COREY STARK: RIGHT NO I DON'T WANT TO GET FIRED THERE IS PROTECTION AGAINST RETALIATION FOR MAKING A PROTECTED COMPLAINT PROTECTED COMPLAINTS ARE VERY, VERY LIMITED.
COREY STARK: THE SUGGESTION BY THE TOWN ATTORNEY THAT THIS IS COVERED BY SECTION 75 BE OF THE CIVIL SERVICE LAW.
COREY STARK: I DISAGREE WITH ENTIRELY VERY LIMITED NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO I'M NOT TRYING TO CREATE THROUGH THIS RECOMMENDATION, A PRIVATE CAUSE OF ACTION THAT DOESN'T EXIST, WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
COREY STARK: WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS, AND THIS IS, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COMMENTS AND THE FEEDBACK I GOT FREE GAVE THAT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS MAKE A ANTI RETALIATION POLICY.
COREY STARK: FOR THE POLICE TO.
COREY STARK: IF THEY SEE BIAS PLEASING TO MAKE A COMPLAINT AND THAT THEY SHOULD KNOW, WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT THE POLICY IS THAT THEY WILL NOT BE RETALIATED AGAINST THAT WOULD IN AND OF ITSELF A STRONG POLICY WOULD CREATE.
COREY STARK: OR THERE IS A CAUSE OF ACTION THAT EXISTS IT'S RELATIVELY NEW AND I THINK IT STATED WELL ON A CASE CALLED JOSHUA VERSUS THE TEAMSTERS OF COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY.
COREY STARK: AND ESSENTIALLY THAT CASE INDICATES THAT THERE IS A QUASI CONTRACT RETALIATION CAUSE OF ACTION THAT EXISTS, IF YOU HAVE A STRONG ANTI RETALIATION POLICY IN YOUR HANDBOOK OR POLICIES.
COREY STARK: THE CIVIL SERVICE LAW IS LIMITED AND WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS WHEN I LITIGATE ISSUES AS TO WHETHER THERE IS A.
COREY STARK: RETALIATION PROTECTION, THE FIRST THING A DEFENDANT WOULD DO IS TO SAY, WAIT IT'S NOT REALLY COVERED UNDER THAT THAT ISN'T COVERED UNDER THE ANTI RETALIATION.
COREY STARK: SO I FORESEE THAT AND THEN, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE POLICE UNDERSTAND THAT IF THEY WERE TO RAISE AN ISSUE ABOUT A FELLOW POLICE OFFICER DOING SOMETHING THAT WOULD.
COREY STARK: MAKE SOMEONE THINK THAT THEY'RE ENGAGING AND BIAS POLICING THAT THEY WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE IN MAKING A COMPLAINT THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO LOSE THEIR JOB.
COREY STARK: AND THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY RETALIATION, BECAUSE IF THEY IF THEY THINK THERE'S ANY RETALIATION THEN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT.
COREY STARK: AND THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S MY PIECE ON THAT I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THE JOSHUA CASE WITH ANYONE WANTS TO.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK WE HAVE VINCE TO ME ON THE CALL.
GUY DEMPSEY: AS WELL AND.
LISA DOMINICI: HE GAVE GAVE HAS HIS HAND RAISED ALSO I'M SORRY HE JUST CAN'T.
WELL, I THINK WE.
GUY DEMPSEY: EVEN IF WE GO WITH VINCE FIRST, BECAUSE I THINK HE'S.
GUY DEMPSEY: RIGHT VINCE GO AHEAD.
VINCE TOOMEY: SURE GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE IN ADDITION TO 75 BE OF THE CIVIL SERVICE LAW, WHICH HAS A WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION IN IT.
VINCE TOOMEY: THERE'S ANOTHER PROVISION OF EXISTING STATE LAWS LABOR LAW SECTION 27 810 AND THAT COVERS ALL HEALTH AND SAFETY VIOLATIONS WHILE 75 FEET IS IS NOT.
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VINCE TOOMEY: OVERLY BROAD IN THE WAY OF WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE IT WOULD COVER MOST OF THE TYPES OF CONDUCT THAT WOULD BE COMPLAINED OF. VINCE TOOMEY: REGARDING BIAS AND DISCRIMINATION, SO I DON'T READ IT AS PERHAPS AS NATURALLY AS AS COREY DOES.
VINCE TOOMEY: I ALSO THINK THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A PROBLEM TO HAVE ROTOR WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION PROVIDED THAT AT THE POLICY IS DRAFTED CORRECTLY.
VINCE TOOMEY: I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THAT SOMETIMES WHISTLEBLOWER POLICIES CAN BE USED IN BAD FAITH AND WITHOUT GETTING INTO SOME SPECIFICS, WE HAD A CASE WITHIN THE CITY OF RYE.
VINCE TOOMEY: WHERE A POLICE OFFICER WAS ORDERED TO JEWISH OR A REPORT ON WHY HE WAS TWO HOURS LATE FOR WORK AND HE TURNED AROUND AND FOLLOWED A CRIMINAL HARASSMENT COMPLAINT.
VINCE TOOMEY: AGAINST THE SUPERIOR OFFICER THAT ISSUED THAT SO WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION IS GOOD AND APPROPRIATE, BUT I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS IN THE DRAFTING.
VINCE TOOMEY: AND MY POINT WAS MORE THAT WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT EMPLOYEES ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE EXISTING WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTIONS.
VINCE TOOMEY: UNDER AT LEAST TWO PROVISIONS OF STATE LAW, SO I I LIKE COREY AGREE THAT WHISTLEBLOWER POLICIES ARE GOOD AND APPROPRIATE, I THINK THAT PROTECTION SHOULD BE THERE, BUT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHAT THEY SHOULD COVER AND AND WHAT THOSE POLICIES SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
COREY STARK: THE OPENING UP FOR SURE, BEFORE WE GO TO GATE GATE.
GUY DEMPSEY: I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT BOTH WHISTLEBLOWER POLICY AND ANTI RETALIATION.
GUY DEMPSEY: OR YOU AGREEING ON BOTH THOSE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE.
GUY DEMPSEY: AS AN EXPLICIT POLICY ON WHISTLEBLOWING AND AN EXPLICIT POLICY ON ANTI RETALIATION, OR WE JUST TALKING ABOUT ONE VERSUS THE OTHER.
VINCE TOOMEY: CERTAINLY ON ANTI RETALIATION, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE SPECIFICALLY STATED, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF PEER REVIEW.
VINCE TOOMEY: ON ON WHISTLEBLOWING I THINK THAT ONE, YOU SHOULD BE CRAFTED.
VINCE TOOMEY: FAIRLY NARROWLY TO MEET THE PURPOSE SO THAT'S I WOULD I WOULD DEFINITELY RECOMMEND BOTH BUT ON RETALIATION, THAT WOULD BE SORT OF OBVIOUS, BUT THAT WOULD BE INTENDED TO COVER.
VINCE TOOMEY: AND WHISTLE BLOWING PROTECTIONS I THINK THAT WELL WE'D HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF POLICY IS APPROPRIATE IF IT'S WHISTLEBLOWING RELATING TO POLICE MISCONDUCT THAT'S THAT'S, OF COURSE, PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE.
VINCE TOOMEY: IF IT'S, SOMETHING THAT WOULD OTHERWISE INTERFERE, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT THE GRIEVANCE PROCEDURE OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WHICH IS RATHER BROAD.
VINCE TOOMEY: THEN THAT MIGHT BE PROBLEMATIC, SO THIS REALLY I THINK WOULD COME DOWN TO PROPER GRAFTING AND MAKING SURE THAT THE EXISTING PROVISIONS OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT EXISTING CITY POLICY AND PROVISIONS OF STATE LAW DON'T CONFLICT.
GUY DEMPSEY: BUT I SAY THINK WE GO TO GAME NOW AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO ROBIN COREY AND I MANAGE.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE GAME.
GABE CAPUTO: WITH THIS, I MEAN I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH ANYBODY, BUT MY POINT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING LIKE THIS SHOULDN'T BE IN THE CITY HANDBOOK FOR ALL THEIR EMPLOYEES, NOT JUST A POLICE DEPARTMENT.
GUY DEMPSEY: ROB WHEN SHE'S.
GUY DEMPSEY: YOUR HAND UP.
ROB FALK: YES, I HAVE MY HAND UP I'M GOING TO GO BACK THAT'S A GOOD POINT GAME THAT YOU JUST BROUGHT UP.
ROB FALK: BUT BACK TO INQUIRIES AND SIMILAR TO ADVANCE TO ME COMMENT THAT ON.
ROB FALK: CORY WHAT WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE POLICY, GOING TO BE WHEN SOMEBODY MAKES LIKE VINCE TO ME SAID A FALSE ACCUSATION THAT BECOMES TOTALLY FALSE JUST.
ROB FALK: TO TIDY OFFICER UP UNDER A DARK CLOUD WHICH WE EXPERIENCED HERE BEFORE, UNDER WHICH SECTION OF THE LAW, DO YOU FALL BACK TO TO PROTECT THE PERSON THAT'S TOTALLY INNOCENT WRONGLY ACCUSED.
COREY STARK: WELL, THE POINT OF THE ANTI RETALIATION POLICY IS THAT THE PERSON THAT MAKES THE COMPLAINT DOES NOT GET RETALIATED AGAINST FOR HAVING MADE THE COMPLAINT.
COREY STARK: WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY'RE.
ROB FALK: TOTALLY FALSE COMPLAINT.
COREY STARK: THE MAIN COMPLAINT, THE MAKING OF THE COMPLAINT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE PERSON THAT IS COMPLAINED ABOUT IS GUILTY OF ENGAGING AND BIAS POLICE.
COREY STARK: THE WHAT THE POLICE INTERNALLY WITH THE POLICE, WOULD HAVE TO DO IS EVERY EMPLOYER WOULD HAVE TO DO IS CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION TO DETERMINE WHETHER THAT'S ACCURATE.
COREY STARK: AND IF WE'RE KEEPING DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION, IT SHOULD BE PRETTY EASY TO LOOK TO SEE IS THIS POLICE OFFICER ACTUALLY ENGAGING AND BIAS POLICING.
COREY STARK: BUT IF THERE'S A GOOD FAITH BELIEF BY SOMEONE WHO'S MAKING A COMPLAINT, WE DO NOT WANT THEM TO BELIEVE IN ANY WAY THAT THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO RETALIATION, BECAUSE WHAT THAT WILL DO IS CHILL.
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COREY STARK: THE WHOLE POLICY IN THE FIRST PLACE, BECAUSE NO ONE'S GOING TO MAKE A COMPLAINT IF THEY BELIEVE HEY SOMEONE'S GOING TO SAY IT'S NOT A GOOD FAITH COMPLAINT AND THEREFORE I'M GOING TO BE TERMINATED, FOR HAVING MADE THE COMPLAINT, IF SOMEONE IS MAKING UP. ROB FALK: LIES I YOUR ANSWER, JUST TO TERMINATE THEM FOR MAKING A FACETIOUS UP YOU KNOW.
COREY STARK: WELL THAT'S GOING TO FALL BACK TO YOUR.
COREY STARK: YOUR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, WHETHER YOU HAVE CAUSED TO TERMINATE SOMEONE, BUT IF YOU IF SOMEONE IN GOOD FAITH, BELIEVES THAT A POLICE OFFICER WHAT.
ROB FALK: I'M SAYING THEY'RE NOT.
ROB FALK: THEY'RE NOT IN GOOD FAITH LET'S LET'S GET PAST CHANGING IN GOOD FAITH, BUT.
ROB FALK: RATHER.
COREY STARK: THE PROBLEM IS, IS HOW DO YOU.
ROB FALK: PROTECT THE PERSON IN FALSELY ACCUSED.
ME INVESTIGATION.
ROB FALK: AND THAT'S IT.
ROB FALK: SORRY, NOT GUILTY.
COREY STARK: THAT'S ALWAYS IT.
COREY STARK: YEAH THAT'S ALWAYS IT, SO WE HAVE WE HAVE STRONG ANTI.
ROB FALK: SODA SODA GUIDANCE, MAKING A TOTALLY FALSE OUR PERSON MAKING.
ROB FALK: A TOTALLY FALSE COMPLAINT BASICALLY CAN MAKE THEM IN PERFECT OFFICER UNDER A CLOUDED SUSPICION.
ROB FALK: IS A LITTLE.
ROB FALK: BIT STRANGE WHEN NUMBER ONE IS NUMBER 100 SERGEANTS PROMOTIONAL LIST, AND THIS GUY'S NUMBER TWO.
COREY STARK: WELL, IT DOESN'T LIKE I SAID, BY MAKING BY.
ROB FALK: JUST ASSUMING THAT THAT MIGHT BE A REASON.
COREY STARK: BUT BY MAKING WELL IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE THEM ELIGIBLE TO BE PROMOTED, BECAUSE THEY MADE THE COMPLAINT WHAT IT DOES IS IT MAKES IT SO THEY CAN'T BE RETALIATED AGAINST FOR HAVING MADE THE COMPLAINT.
COREY STARK: THE THE EMPLOYER IS IT'S INCUMBENT UPON THEM EMPLOYER TO DO AN INVESTIGATION TO CLEAN WATER DETERMINES THAT THERE IS NO FACTS TO SUPPORT THAT, BUT THIS IS THE THING THE PART OF THIS IS SUBJECT RIGHT.
COREY STARK: SO IF I.
COREY STARK: I'M NOT A POLICE OFFICER, BUT IF I'M A POLICE OFFICER AND I'M AT A SCENE OF ANY KIND OF.
COREY STARK: INTERACTION AND I SEE ONE POLICE OFFICER THAT EVERY TIME THERE'S YOU KNOW.
COREY STARK: A LATINO PERSON AT THE AT THE AT THE SCENE IN THE ACTION THAT PERSON'S ON YOUR STOMACH AND THERE'S A CAR SEARCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND IT'S THE SAME PERSON THAT'S LEADING IT ALL THE TIME.
COREY STARK: CAN I CAN I MAKE A COMPLAINT THAT THAT PERSON IS ENGAGING UNBIASED POLICING YES AND GUESS WHAT I COULD BE WRONG.
COREY STARK: RIGHT, IT COULD BE THAT I GOT THERE AFTER THE FACT, AND THE PERSON HAD LIKE WAVE TO GONE AROUND OR.
COREY STARK: THERE WAS A SMELL OF MARIJUANA OR SOMETHING ELSE, AND THERE WAS A YOU KNOW GOOD REASON TO SEARCH THE CAR.
COREY STARK: SO IN THE INVESTIGATION WHEN THE POLICE OFFICERS ASKED WHY DID YOU SEARCH THIS CAR THIS CAR THIS CAR.
COREY STARK: THAT PERSON CAN SAY I SEARCHED THIS CAR BECAUSE THERE WAS THE SMELL OF MARIJUANA I MEAN, I ASSUME THAT STILL ILLEGAL IT'S NOT TOO CLEAR TO ME ANYMORE, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT ANYMORE, BUT.
COREY STARK: THERE WAS, YOU KNOW I SAW A WEAPON IN THIS CAR OR YOU KNOW SOMEONE MADE A COMPLAINT THAT THIS PERSON WAS YOU KNOW BEATING SOMEONE ELSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT YOU KNOW SOMETHING ILLEGAL.
COREY STARK: WELL THEN, THERE'S A BASIS TO SEARCH THE CAR NOW I SHOW A BLADE AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A GOOD FAITH BASIS TO BELIEVE THAT EVERY TIME I SHOW UP THIS PARTICULAR GUY SEEMS TO BE GIVING A LATINO PERSON, A HARD TIME.
COREY STARK: AM I MAKING GOOD GOOD FAITH COMPLAIN, YES, MAY I BE WRONG THAT THERE'S BIAS POLICING GOING ON, YES, BUT I SHOULDN'T BE RETALIATED AGAINST MEANING FIRED OR DEMOTED OR NOT CONSIDERED FOR PROMOTION, BECAUSE I MADE A GOOD FAITH COMPLAINT.
GUY DEMPSEY: AMANDA YOU'VE HAD YOUR HAND UP IF YOU GO NEXT.
AMANDA YANNETT: UM I AGREE WITH COREY AND I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT, YES, THAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED IN WRITE ABOUT SOMEONE COMING FORWARD WITH A FALSE COMPLAINT.
AMANDA YANNETT: ACCORDING TO WHAT WE'RE HEARING TODAY, HOWEVER, WE ALSO HAVE TO KNOW HOW UNCOMMON, THAT IS, AND HOW THE MAJORITY LIKE ABOUT 98% OF COMPLAINTS ARE MADE IN GOOD FAITH AND TRUE, AND SO I THINK WE ALSO.
AMANDA YANNETT: LIKE YES.
AMANDA YANNETT: OF COURSE, WE MIGHT RISK HAVING THAT HAPPEN, BUT WE CAN'T USE THAT AS A REASON TO THEN LIKE DISCREDIT ALL OF THE OTHER COMPLAINTS THAT COULD BE MADE JUST BECAUSE THIS HAPPENED IN ONE INSTANCE AND RIGHT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE.
AMANDA YANNETT: DISCREDITED OTHERS.
AMANDA YANNETT: AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT LIKE.
AMANDA YANNETT: THE RETALIATION PIECE IS HUGE IN REGARDS TO IT'S ALREADY SO DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO FILE A COMPLAINT TO BEGIN WITH.
AMANDA YANNETT: SO MANY PEOPLE, THE MAJORITY, THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DO NOT FILE A COMPLAINT IF THEY EXPERIENCED WORKPLACE HARASSMENT WORKPLACE DISCRIMINATION, ETC, FOR THEM, THAT ACTUALLY DO AND GO THROUGH IS.
AMANDA YANNETT: IS AROUND LIKE 15% IF YOU EVEN WANT TO SAY THAT, AND WE ALSO KNOW, LIKE GIVEN THAT YOU GUYS KNOW THIS IS MY BACKGROUND, ACCORDING TO THE FBI GUYS RESEARCH ONLY 2% OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT.
AMANDA YANNETT: CASES WERE FALSE, AND SO I ALSO THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE FACTORS THERE'S A LOT OF TRUTH WHEN IT COMES TO COMPLAINTS AND TO MAKE A COMPLAINT TO BEGIN WITH, IS ALREADY DIFFICULT ENOUGH AND TAKES AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF BRAVERY.
AMANDA YANNETT: SO THERE NEEDS TO BE THAT RETALIATION PIECE, AND I, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING CORINA SAID.
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GUY DEMPSEY: A TED TED HIS HAND UP BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK A FACTUAL QUESTION TO GREG, IF I MAY, FOLLOWING UP ON GAPES POINT IS THERE A GENERAL WHISTLEBLOWER AND OR IN AN ANTI RETALIATION RULE OR POLICY FOR THE CITY. GREG USRY: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAD THERE THERE'S AN OVERT STATEMENT THAT I'M I MEAN I COULD HAVE LOOKED EVENTS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ONE OTHER THAN WHAT IS ALREADY COVERED IN IN STATE LAW.
GUY DEMPSEY: OKAY, THANK YOU.
COREY STARK: CAN I JUST SAY REAL QUICK, I AGREE WITH THE SUGGESTION THAT THERE SHOULD BE A CITY WHY ANTI RETALIATION ONE BUT THAT'S OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, SO I AGREE WITH YOU, GAY, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
GUY DEMPSEY: OKAY I'M TED YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP.
TED LIVINGSTON: SO DEFINITELY.
TED LIVINGSTON: JUST BRIEFLY, AND THIS IS OUTSIDE OF MY EXPERTISE, SO I RELY VERY HEAVILY ON CORY A MYSTERY TO ME AND I ALWAYS APPRECIATE HIM AND HIS INPUT.
TED LIVINGSTON: ON WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF, AND THIS IS MORE A SUGGESTION, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT A REQUIREMENT THAT THE COMPLAINANT PUT THE COMPLAINTS IN A DOCUMENT UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY AND OTHER WORDS.
TED LIVINGSTON: YOU KNOW THERE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER HAWK HIS CONCERN IS SOMEBODY.
TED LIVINGSTON: RETALIATE OKAY AGAINST THEIR BOSS IN IN IN IN YOU KNOW, IN A IN A SITUATION WHERE THE WHISTLEBLOWER POLICIES ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO PROTECT AGAINST RETALIATION.
TED LIVINGSTON: SO IT BASICALLY WOULD GUARD AGAINST LYING OR THEY'D BE SOME FORM OF DETERRENCE AGAINST LYING IF US, I KNOW WE DO THAT WITH OUR WITNESSES WHO BRING COMPLAINTS AGAINST.
TED LIVINGSTON: DIFFERENT CRIMINAL DEFENDANTS, WE MAKE THEM SIGN IT SWORN DEPOSITION UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT AND I'M ONLY.
LISA DOMINICI: WHEN WE HAVE SORRY COREY JUST WE EVENTS AND THEN YOU MAY SPEAK BECAUSE VINCENT.
VINCE TOOMEY: YOUR SO I PULLED UP A COPY OF 75 BE OF THE CIVIL SERVICE LAW AND I'D LIKE TO CIRCULATE THIS UPON A SECOND READING OF IT WELL, THE FOCUS IS USUALLY ON.
VINCE TOOMEY: A SUBSTANTIAL AND SPECIFIC DANGER TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY, I SEE THE LAW WAS AMENDED IN 2015 TO GREATLY BROAD DID IF I COULD JUST READ THAT LANGUAGE.
VINCE TOOMEY: IT SAYS IT ALSO APPLIES AND EMPLOYEE CANNOT BE DISCIPLINE OR ADVERSE ACTION TAKEN AGAINST THEM IF THEY'RE REPORTING ANY, THIS IS A QUOTE.
VINCE TOOMEY: IMPROPER GOVERNMENTAL ACTION WHICH SHALL MEAN ANY ACTION BY PUBLIC EMPLOYER OR EMPLOYEE OR AN AGENT OF SUCH EMPLOYER OR EMPLOYEE.
VINCE TOOMEY: WHICH IS UNDERTAKEN IN THE PERFORMANCE OF SUCH AGENTS OFFICIAL DUTIES, WHETHER OR NOT SUCH ACTION IS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF HIS EMPLOYMENT.
VINCE TOOMEY: WHICH IS IN VIOLATION OF FEDERAL STATE OR LOCAL LAW RULE OR REGULATION SO THAT IS EXISTING STATUTE.
VINCE TOOMEY: AND AGAIN IT'S THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR MANY YEARS, BUT THE AMENDMENT WOULD WOULD TO ME BE VERY CLEAR THAT IT WOULD COVER.
VINCE TOOMEY: ANY TYPE OF BIAS RELATED ACTION BY A POLICE OFFICER, SO I I THINK SOME FOCUS ON THIS, MAYBE NEEDS TO BE REVISITED.
VINCE TOOMEY: THEY CAN POST SOME OF THE CASES, SINCE THAT AMENDMENT BUT I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT WOULD COVER ANY OF THE TYPES OF CONDUCT.
VINCE TOOMEY: THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT DOES COME UP COMMONLY IN DISCIPLINARY CASES AS AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE EMPLOYEES FREQUENTLY ASSERT A 75 B DEFENSE IF THEY'RE SUBJECT TO ANY TYPE OF DISCIPLINARY OR ADVERSE PERSONNEL ACTION.
COREY STARK: SO I LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT I ALSO REVIEWED 75 BEING PREPARATION FOR THIS AND OUR LAST MEETING AND I DISAGREE WITH YOU, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR TO ME VIGOROUSLY IT IS LIMITED.
COREY STARK: AND IT WOULD NOT COVER EXACTLY WHAT I'M SUGGESTING HERE AND THE POINT OF MAKING THE SPECIFIC THE THE THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT.
COREY STARK: THAT THE REPORTING OF DISPROPORTIONATE CONDOM TREATMENT OF PERSONS DUE TO RACE, SEX NATIONAL ORIGIN, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, GENDER IDENTITY RELIGION DISABILITY.
COREY STARK: WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS AS A GOVERNMENT OR WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WOULD BE SAYING IS, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE OUR POLICE OFFICERS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE IS ENGAGING IN THAT KIND OF CONDUCT THAT THEY SHOULD RECORD.
COREY STARK: RIGHT, I THINK THAT'S THEIR DUTY IN THE FIRST PLACE, AS POLICE OFFICERS, BUT WE'RE SAYING IS THEY SHOULD FEEL FREE TO.
COREY STARK: TO REPORT IT TED YOUR SUGGESTION IS AN INTERESTING ONE, WHAT WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS AS SOON AS YOU START ATTACHING PENALTIES.
COREY STARK: TO THE REPORTING OF CONDUCT, THEN PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SOPHISTICATED IN READING, YOU KNOW.
COREY STARK: LAW OR POLICY OR ANYTHING ARE GOING TO LOOK AT AND SAY WHOA I GOT TO BE REALLY CAREFUL, EVEN THOUGH THIS REALLY DID HAPPEN.
COREY STARK: DO I NUMBER ONE WANT TO TURN ON MY COWORKER AND TURN MY COWORKER IN AND NUMBER TWO WHAT HAPPENS IF THE RIOT POLICE ARE SO UPSET ABOUT IT THAT THEY WANT TO TRY TO PURSUE ME FOR PERJURY EVEN THOUGH I'M TELLING THE TRUTH.
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COREY STARK: AND WHAT IT WILL DO IS IT'LL IT'LL CHILL THE THE ACTS OF THE COMPLAINTS AND WE WON'T GET THE COMPLIANCE AND ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SAY. COREY STARK: HEY POLICE, AND THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH GAVE IN OUR SUBSECTION IF THE POLICE FEEL THAT THEY'RE FREE TO.
COREY STARK: TO TO MAKE A COMPLAINT ABOUT ONE OF THEIR CO WORKERS WITHOUT RETRIBUTION THEY MORE LIKELY WILL WE FLUSH THIS OUT AT GAVE SUGGESTION SO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE POLICE OFFICERS, THAT THEY WILL HAVE A REMEDY, IF THEY'RE RETALIATED AGAINST, AND THAT WAS THE IDEA.
LISA DOMINICI: I THINK WE HAD JAMIE AND THEN VINCE.
JAMIE JENSEN: HILE AS THE NON LAWYER IN THE GROUP LEARNING QUITE A BIT FROM THE COREY AND TED AND.
JAMIE JENSEN: TO ME EXCHANGE WITH JOSH ADDING IN EVERY SO OFTEN, AND I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE JOKED WITH ME ABOUT MY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST AND I APOLOGIZE UP FRONT FOR MAKING THAT.
JAMIE JENSEN: AMANDA MADE A LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE SHE SPOKE IN LAY TERMS AND IF, IN THE SAME SPIRIT THAT GAVE MADE ABOUT CAN WE BE EXPLICIT.
JAMIE JENSEN: ABOUT THE PREVIOUS COMMENT COMMENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN OVERSIGHT AS ADVISORY, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS IN THE SAME SPIRIT.
JAMIE JENSEN: RECOMMENDATION FROM CORMAC COREY AND PUT IT ON PUT IT IN THE IN THE NOTES.
JAMIE JENSEN: THIS IS NOT ABOUT MAKING SURE WE'VE GOT ALL THE RIGHT LEGAL LANGUAGE, THIS IS ABOUT THE SPIRIT OF THE COMMUNITY, AND ALL OF US COMING TOGETHER TO REALIZE.
JAMIE JENSEN: THAT WE WANT BOTH THE POLICE AND THE COMMUNITY TO FEEL OKAY SO I'M VOTING FOR AMANDA AND GAY BECAUSE THEY BOTH ARE SPEAKING THE EXACT SAME LANGUAGE, AND I WANT TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT THING.
COREY STARK: AND I HAVE TO LEAVE SO I'M IN I VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE ANTI RETALIATION POLICY, AND I ALSO VOTE IN FAVOR OF BANNING.
COREY STARK: RESTRICTIONS ON BREATHING.
TED LIVINGSTON: AND I.
COREY STARK: HOPE YOU ENJOY THE REST OF THE MEETING.
GUY DEMPSEY: WE WON'T FINISH THIS BEFORE FRIDAY TO CORY SO YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO TO.
LISA DOMINICI: GET WE HAVE WE HAVE BENS THING GREG AND THEN JOSH YES.
TED LIVINGSTON: THANKS, THANK YOU.
I.
VINCE TOOMEY: I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY MORE IN AGREEMENT THAT IT MIGHT SOUND ON ON THIS, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A POLICY THAT NOTIFIES EMPLOYEES THAT THEY ARE PROTECTED FROM RETALIATION.
VINCE TOOMEY: BUT I I CAN'T SEE ANY POSSIBLE READING OF THE EXISTING STATUTE IMPROPER GOVERNMENTAL ACTION THAT WOULD NOT COVER THIS SO MY I THINK FEAR OF DISAGREEMENT IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU NEED TO CREATE SOMETHING SEPARATE.
VINCE TOOMEY: FOR THE CITY IN THE WAY OF A NEW POLICY, AS OPPOSED TO NOTIFYING EMPLOYEES THAT THERE ARE EXISTING PROTECTIONS WHICH ARE VERY BROAD.
VINCE TOOMEY: AND I THINK THE LOCAL SUPPORT THAT AND I'VE ONLY NAMED HALF OF THE AREAS WHERE EMPLOYEES CAN FILE COMPLAINTS I JUST DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR A.
VINCE TOOMEY: IF YOU WILL A SEPARATE CAUSE OF ACTION OR SEPARATE CLAIM, BUT I THINK WE ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT NOTIFYING EMPLOYEES THAT THEY.
VINCE TOOMEY: SHOULD REPORT MISCONDUCT THAT'S ALREADY A RESPONSIBILITY FOR POLICE OFFICERS AND THAT THEY WOULD BE PROTECTED UNDER EXISTING PROVISIONS OF STATE AND FEDERAL LAW, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE PRUDENT APPROACH.
TED LIVINGSTON: GUY CAN I I DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM IN THE ORDER OF RAISED HANDS, BUT I JUST WANT TO ASK A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION A LEGAL QUESTION OF MR TO ME THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
HEY.
TED LIVINGSTON: UM SO VINCE I, AND I WISH COREY COULD WEIGH IN ON THIS, AND HOPEFULLY I'LL MAKE A NOTE TO ASK HIM NEXT TIME HE'S BACK ON BUT.
TED LIVINGSTON: ON A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE WHICH I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THAT, ON THIS ISSUE, BUT ON THE CHOKEHOLD ISSUE AND I CAME ACROSS THE DOCTRINE OF PREEMPTION.
VINCE TOOMEY: MM HMM.
TED LIVINGSTON: AS WELL AS THE DUE PROCESS ISSUES AND THEY COME UP ACCORDING IN THAT FORUM, THEY COME UP WHEN A LOCAL, FOR EXAMPLE, RISE CITY COUNCIL CREATES A LAW THAT THE STATE HAS ALREADY COVERED BY STATE LAW, YET IT MAY BE DIFFERENT FROM IT, IT MAY.
TED LIVINGSTON: CONTRADICT IT OR IT MAY EXPAND UPON IT AND, THEREFORE, CAUSING CONFUSION UPON THE PART OF THE PERSON AGAINST HIM THE ALLEGATIONS ARE MADE, AND MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, DO WE RUN AFOUL POTENTIALLY OF DUE PROCESS AND PREEMPTION DOCTRINE, BY DOING THIS.
VINCE TOOMEY: WORK I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT SO THIS, THIS IS THE VERY ISSUE GOING ON IN NEW YORK CITY RIGHT NOW WITH THE NEW YORK CITY COUNCIL.
VINCE TOOMEY: IMPOSED A NEW RESTRICTIONS ON RESTRAINT.
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VINCE TOOMEY: WHETHER OR NOT, THAT DOES CONFLICT WITH STATE LAW AT AT LEAST THE NEW YORK CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT BELIEVES THAT THE NEW YORK CITY POLICY CONFLICTS WITH THE STATE LAW. VINCE TOOMEY: PREEMPTION IS VERY DIFFICULT TO WHETHER OR NOT THE AREAS ENTIRELY PRECLUDED OR WHETHER IT MEANS THAT YOU COULD STILL LEGISLATE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BUT IT CAN'T BE INCONSISTENT.
VINCE TOOMEY: WITH THE STATE LAW PROVISIONS THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE FLUSHED OUT BUT THERE'S THERE'S A BROADER ISSUE AT STAKE THERE RELATING TO.
VINCE TOOMEY: THIS QUESTION AND I THINK CONDITIONAL FUCK WOULD SPEAK TO THIS THAT POLICY IN NEW YORK CITY HAS CAUSED IT LITERALLY AN UPROAR IN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
VINCE TOOMEY: ON WHAT AGENCIES WILL AND WILL NOT RESPOND INTO NEW YORK CITY, AS A RESULT OF THE CONFLICT BETWEEN NEW YORK CITY LAW IN NEW YORK STATE LAW.
VINCE TOOMEY: ALL OF THE POLICE CHIEFS IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY AND I DO A LOT OF WORK FOR THE POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION.
VINCE TOOMEY: I'VE INDICATED THAT THEIR OFFICERS WILL DISCONTINUE PURSUITS INTO NEW YORK CITY BECAUSE OF SOME OF THOSE LEGAL CONCERNS.
VINCE TOOMEY: IT'S A IT'S AN AREA THAT CERTAINLY REQUIRES STUDY AND CERTAINLY HAVING TRAINING AND GUIDANCE FOR OFFICERS ON HOW AND WHEN TO USE RESTRAINT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
VINCE TOOMEY: BUT I THINK THIS IS AN AREA THAT THE LAW IS DEVELOPING THE SCIENCE IS VERY MUCH IN DISPUTE ON THESE RESTRAINT MANEUVERS.
VINCE TOOMEY: SOME OF THE EXPERTS BELIEVE THAT BANNING RESTRAINT RICK MANEUVERS WOULD ACTUALLY LEAD TO MORE LETHAL FORCE BOTH BY TASER BY SHOOTING BY USING OBJECTS TO SUPPRESS SOMEONE SO IT'S A VERY, VERY CONTROVERSIAL AREA WHAT PEOPLE FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT IT.
TED LIVINGSTON: SO, AGAIN.
VINCE TOOMEY: THIS IS ONE THAT REALLY NEEDS STUDY.
TED LIVINGSTON: YEAH BUT I'M MORE I DIDN'T MEAN TO GET OFF TRACK ON MY ISSUE IS DOES THOSE POLICIES, YOU KNOW PREEMPTION DUE PROCESS.
TED LIVINGSTON: DO THEY APPLY TO THE WHISTLEBLOWER PART OF OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AT ALL IF YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTIONS MORE ABSOLUTELY GET WHERE THEY APPLIED TO THE CHOKEHOLD PART.
VINCE TOOMEY: SURE, NO, I THINK, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE FREE.
VINCE TOOMEY: TO HAVE WHISTLEBLOWER POLICIES THAT GO BEYOND WHAT'S IN STATE LAW THEY CERTAINLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING THAT'S LESS THAN STATE LAW.
VINCE TOOMEY: BUT IT STILL BECOMES AN ISSUE TED BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE CONFLICTING SOURCES OF RIGHT, SOMETIMES IT ACTUALLY LEADS TO CONFUSION AND EMPLOYEES BLOWING LIMITATIONS PERIODS.
VINCE TOOMEY: WHEN THEY HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT SOURCES SO IF THERE'S A DEMONSTRATED NEED FOR A NEW POLICY THAT GOES BEYOND STATE LAW THAT WOULD BE ONE THING.
VINCE TOOMEY: BUT I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN MUCH EVIDENCE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR COURSE POINTS WOULD BE COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE AND THE COLUMBIA CASE THAT HE CITED IS NOT A PUBLIC SECTOR CASE PUBLIC SECTOR EMPLOYEES HAVE A MYRIAD OF.
VINCE TOOMEY: WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTIONS ALREADY IN THE STATE AND FEDERAL LAW, SO THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S AN AREA THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO LEGISLATE FURTHERING.
VINCE TOOMEY: WHETHER OR NOT, THAT CAUSES UNNECESSARY CONFUSION AND WHETHER OR NOT, AS THE COMMISSIONER POINTED OUT, IT LEADS TO BAD FAITH COMPLAINTS, SO I.
VINCE TOOMEY: THINK THAT'S ANOTHER AREA THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE FLESHED OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE I THINK IT'S NOTICE TO EMPLOYEES THAT'S PARAMOUNT OF WHAT EXISTS, WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE TO GO BEYOND THAT I LEAVE THAT TO THE DISCRETION OF OF THE COMMITTEE, OBVIOUSLY.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK GREG IS UP.
GREG USRY: RIGHT, THANK YOU, I MEAN I THINK PART OF MY SAVINGS EARLIER BEEN COVERED BY THE DENSE, BUT LET ME MAKE A COUPLE OF FINE POINTS NUMBER ONE IS IF IN FACT VENTS YOUR BELIEF IS THAT.
GREG USRY: THE WITH THE GOAL IS OF THIS RECOMMENDATION IS ALREADY MET WITH IN STATE LAW OR IN IN VARIOUS FORMS. GREG USRY: THEN YOU KNOW WE CLEARLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONVEY THAT IN A VERY CLEAR AND EFFECTIVE WAY, NOT JUST TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT TO ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES, I MEAN YOU KNOW, THE GOAL, THE GOAL HERE IS, WE WANT TO HAVE.
GREG USRY: THE MOST APPROPRIATE WORK ENVIRONMENT AS IT RELATES TO ONE ANOTHER AS AS WELL AS AS IT RELATES TO THE PUBLIC INTERACTION.
GREG USRY: AND THAT, AND THAT SHOULD APPLY TO ALL SO YOU KNOW I DON'T HAVE I KNOW I'M NOT HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE US.
GREG USRY: TO BE YOU KNOW TO BE MAKING THAT VERY, VERY CLEAR TO OUR EMPLOYEES, WHETHER THAT BE POLICE OFFICERS FIRE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE OR OR WHOMEVER, BUT I WOULD LOOK TO YOU THAT'S.
GREG USRY: YOU KNOW, TO TO TO MAKE SURE, OR TO ASSURE ME THAT THAT THAT IN FACT IS IS IN STATE LAW, AND THEN THE BIGGER QUESTION FOR THE COMMITTEE IS.
GREG USRY: IF IT IS COVERED IN STATE LAW IN A MANNER THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND IF IN FACT THAT'S REINFORCED VERY OVERTLY TO ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING THE POLICE IS THAT SUFFICIENT FOR THE RECOMMENDATION.
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GUY DEMPSEY: JOSH ANY GEAR UP NEXT. JOSH COHN: YEAH THANK YOU.
JOSH COHN: I APPRECIATE THE THE CLARITY THAT'S THAT'S BEGINNING TO OPEN FOR ME ON THE ISSUE WHEN I FIRST RAISED MY HAND I WAS CONCERNED THAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE GAP BETWEEN VINCE'S ADVICE AND COREYS LAST WORDS.
JOSH COHN: WHERE WHERE I COME OUT NOW IS.
JOSH COHN: THE THOUGHT THAT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO ALL OF US IF VINCE AND COREY COULD HAVE A SIDEBAR AND SEE IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS PROVISION THEIR CONSENSUS THAT THEY COULD PUT FORWARD I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE BUT COREY IS NOT NOT WITH US, AND IF.
JOSH COHN: I JUST I AM A LAWYER, THIS IS NOT MY AREA I AM JUST A BIT CONCERNED ABOUT CHOOSING A ONE OR THE OTHER, WHEN I SUSPECT THAT THERE IS SOME PLACE WHERE.
JOSH COHN: BOTH OUR SOURCES OF ADVICE ON THIS POINT COULD MEET.
LISA DOMINICI: I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
LISA DOMINICI: I THINK I THINK WE DO ASK.
LISA DOMINICI: COREY AND JOHN EVENTS TO HAVE THAT SIDEBAR.
LISA DOMINICI: BECAUSE WE CAN I DON'T THINK WE CAN APPROVE THIS WITHOUT COREY HERE ANYWAY, IF IT'S SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT HE REALLY WANTS, I MEAN NOT THAT THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT WILL HAPPEN, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT SO.
GUY DEMPSEY: WE HAVE THE OPTION SO GO AHEAD.
LISA DOMINICI: I WAS JUST GONNA SAY I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND UNDERSTAND THE INTENT, BUT MOST OF US ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO SPEAK TO THIS, SO IT MAKES SENSE TO ME TO HAVE THE TWO EXPERTS IN THIS AREA, SPEAK TO THAT YOU KNOW SPEAK TO EACH OTHER AND COME BACK TO US WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
TED LIVINGSTON: I AGREE.
VINCE TOOMEY: I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I THINK WE, WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE AND DISTINCT.
GUY DEMPSEY: POINTS OF AGREEMENT OR DISAGREEMENT ONE IS AROUND THE WHISTLEBLOWER IN ANY RETALIATION THERE, I FEEL THAT THERE'S A HIGHER DEGREE OF CONSENSUS AND THERE'S SIMPLY.
GUY DEMPSEY: A BIT OF DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S ALREADY SUFFICIENT COVERAGE OF THE ISSUES IN STATE LAW AND AND PERHAPS THAT'S WHERE YOU KNOW COREY AND VINCE COULD COULD BECOME HELP US.
GUY DEMPSEY: DEVELOP A MIDDLE GROUND OR SOMETHING THAT ENCAPSULATES WHAT WE WANT, WITHOUT TRIPPING OVER STATE LAW, I THINK THE ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO RIOT OPTING SPECIFIC POLICY PERSPECTIVE TO CHOKE HOLDS AND OTHER TYPES OF RISK RESTRICTIVE MEASURES.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK THAT'S AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT LEVEL OF PROPOSITION IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL.
GUY DEMPSEY: CONTRADICTION OF STATE LAW OR IN COMPATIBILITY WITH STATE LAW, WHICH HAS MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT PRACTICAL IMPLICATIONS.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BEEN MENTIONED BY A FEW OF THE SPEAKERS.
LISA DOMINICI: YAY YES, I DON'T THINK WE'RE BRINGING THE CHOKEHOLD INTO THIS AT ALL.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK IT'S.
LISA DOMINICI: SPECIFICALLY IT'S LIKE YOU KNOW KIND OF FIRM.
LISA DOMINICI: AN EXISTING WHISTLEBLOWER POLICY, YOU KNOW EXISTS OR CREATE, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO LOOK TO VINCE AND.
LISA DOMINICI: COREY.
LISA DOMINICI: FOR SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID, GUY.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO VINCE YOU'VE BEEN.
GUY DEMPSEY: CO OPTED BY THE COMMITTEE TO BE.
GUY DEMPSEY: A TEMPORARY AGENT, AND IF YOU COULD REACH OUT TO CORY SINCE HE SEES DROPPED OFF THE CALL FOR GOOD REASON.
ROB FALK: VINCE I WANT TO REMIND YOU THERE'S NO FUNDS IN THIS COMMITTEE SO.
ROB FALK: GO TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.
VINCE TOOMEY: AS THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO SERVE.
VINCE TOOMEY: BUT LET ME SAY THIS I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT I, I WILL CONTACT KOREAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
VINCE TOOMEY: AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I.
VINCE TOOMEY: ACTUALLY THINK THE SOLUTION MAY BE AS SIMPLE AS SOME AFFIRMATION FROM THE CITY AND THIS WHOLE PITCH TO COREY.
VINCE TOOMEY: THAT THE PHRASE IMPROPER GOVERNMENTAL ACTION WOULD INCLUDE REPORTING POLICE MISCONDUCT OF ANY TYPE SO TO THE EXTENT ANYONE THOUGHT THERE WAS ANY AMBIGUITY AND THE EXISTING STATUTE.
VINCE TOOMEY: I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THE REASON THE STATE LEGISLATURE EXPANDED THE STATUTE IN.
VINCE TOOMEY: TO COVER CONDUCT OF THIS THIS NATURE, SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION THAT WE COULD TRY TO REPORT BACK VERY QUICKLY ON THAT.
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LISA DOMINICI: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GUY DEMPSEY: THAT SOUNDS PROMISING AND, OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU COULD DO THAT AND THE NEXT DAY OR TWO, SO WE COULD HAVE.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE OUTCOMES KNOWN BY THE FRIDAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: CALL THAT'D BE GREAT.
VINCE TOOMEY: WILL MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO DO THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: I'M NOT SURE WE SHOULD DO ANYTHING MORE ON ON THE WHISTLEBLOWER EDDIE RETALIATION OR CHOKEHOLD RIGHT NOW, BUT IF PEOPLE.
GUY DEMPSEY: STILL HAVE SOME SOME APPETITE FOR FURTHER COMMITTEE DISCUSSION, WE COULD JUST START GOING TO THE LIST AND SEE IF WE COULD FIND SOME SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE PERHAPS LESS CONTROVERSIAL AND SEE IF WE COULD.
GUY DEMPSEY: AGREE, SOME OF THEM TODAY.
GABE CAPUTO: REALLY, ADDRESSING THE CHOKEHOLD BECAUSE I MEAN THERE'S THAT'S A HUGE PIECE OF.
GREG USRY: ARE PUSHING THAT TO FRIDAY, BUT GUY AND LISA JUST ONE NOTE VINCE CANNOT JOIN US ON FRIDAY SO AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S YOU KNOW, CREATES A BIT OF A OF A CHALLENGE BUT.
GREG USRY: YOU KNOW I'M NOT I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO DO WITH THAT, BECAUSE ON THE ONE HAND, ON THE RECORD HE'S NOT HERE TODAY, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WE'RE ALSO NOT GOING TO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THAT SAYS ADVICE.
LISA DOMINICI: AND THAT SECTION WAS SPECIFICALLY QUARRIES SO PERHAPS THEY COULD EXTEND THE CONVERSATION THEY'RE HAVING TO INCLUDE THAT AND PERHAPS COME TO SOME AGREEMENT PRIOR TO FRIDAY.
VINCE TOOMEY: WE COULD WE COULD DEFINITELY TRY TO DO THAT, IF I MAY, I AM TRYING TO ADJUST MY SCHEDULE FRIDAY TO BECOME AVAILABLE FOR AT LEAST SOME OF THAT MEETING I KNOW IT STARTS AT THREE.
VINCE TOOMEY: SO I MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR ALL OF IT, I WILL TRY TO JOIN, I ALSO THINK THAT THAT'S A TOPIC THAT PROBABLY IS MUCH MORE FOR THE POLICE PROFESSIONALS, THEN FOR THE LAWYERS SO WHILE WE COULD HAVE SOME INITIAL DISCUSSION WITH COREY ON THAT.
VINCE TOOMEY: NEITHER COREY OR OR I THINK EVER HAVE TO WRESTLE SOMEONE TO THE GROUND AND TAKE THEM INTO CUSTODY, SO I THINK THAT DISCUSSION REALLY NEEDS.
VINCE TOOMEY: INPUT FROM THE POLICE PROFESSIONALS ON THE CALL AS WELL, BUT I WILL MENTION THAT WITH HIM AS A STARTING POINT.
LISA DOMINICI: THANK YOU, I THINK WE HAVE SUSAN AND AMANDA HAD THEIR HANDS RAISED GREG OR TED OR JOSH OR YOUR HANDS RAISED OR IS THAT OLD.
JOSH COHN: MODEL WAS I'M TAKING IT DOWN.
LISA DOMINICI: OKAY, SO SUSAN AMANDA AND TED.
LISA DOMINICI: OH YOU'RE MUTED SUSAN.
SUSAN WATSON: I'M CHANGING THE SUBJECT COMPLETELY BASED ON.
SUSAN WATSON: CHAD'S INVITATION TO COME IN AND OTHER PARTS OF THE DOCUMENT AND IN OUR CONVERSATION EARLY ON, WITH GABE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HIRING.
SUSAN WATSON: POLICE OFFICERS FROM.
SUSAN WATSON: WE WERE LIMITED BY THEY HAD TO LIVE IN IN JASON COUNTY AND THIS AGAIN REPEAT SO JASON AND I THINK WE WERE GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE COULD HIRE FROM NON CONTIGUOUS COUNTIES TO OPEN UP THE FIELD IS THAT.
SUSAN WATSON: IS THAT WHAT GAVE US OUT HOW YOU UNDERSTOOD OUR CONVERSATION FROM LAST WEEK.
GABE CAPUTO: WHEN WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT ONE OF THE HANDCUFFS THAT WE HAVE, DESPITE THE.
GABE CAPUTO: CIVIL SERVICE RULES, ONE OF OUR HANDCUFFS THAT OTHER JURISDICTION AROUND US, THEY DON'T HAVE IS WE'RE LIMITED TO THE ADJOINING COUNTIES WERE OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND GO UP TO LET'S SAY DUCHESS WHICH, LIKE COUNTY COPS A LOT OF THEM LIVE UP THERE, SO THAT WOULD OPEN UP YOUR POOL OF COPS.
SUSAN WATSON: SO WHEN PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE CHANGING ADJOINING TO NON CONTIGUOUS.
LISA DOMINICI: SORRY, WHERE ARE WE.
SUSAN WATSON: HAVE OUR NUMBER TWO WE'RE ON THE FIRST PAGE.
SUSAN WATSON: WE SKIP RIGHT TO THE MIDDLE AND.
SUSAN WATSON: I FELT WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE COMMENTS.
JOSH COHN: ON ON THE POINT.
JOSH COHN: A I'M SORRY TO BUTT AND I JUST LIKE TO GET ROB'S VIEW, SOMETIMES WE CALL PEOPLE IN.
JOSH COHN: AND WE'RE INCREASING THE DISTANCE THAT OFFICERS WOULD HAVE TO TRAVEL IF THEY'RE NEEDED QUICKLY IS THAT AN ISSUE, OR IS IT NOT AN ISSUE.
ROB FALK: YOU KNOW, AS IT, YOU HAVE TO BALANCE IT OUT, IF YOUR WHOLE ENTIRE NEXT SQUAD COMING IN LIVES AND BUDGETS COUNTY AND YOU WANT TO BRING THEM IN TWO HOURS EARLY.
ROB FALK: OBVIOUSLY, THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE BUT NORMALLY WE HAVE ENOUGH THEY LIVE CLOSE BY OR HER IN THIS AREA AND AND WE GET AROUND IT GAVE BRINGS UP A VERY GOOD POINT.
ROB FALK: IS THERE'S BEEN SOME REALLY GOOD CANDIDATES, BUT THEY LIVE, JUST OVER THE OTHER SIDE OF PUTTING THEM INTO DUTCHESS COUNTY WHICH ONLY MAKES THEIR COMMUTE NINE MINUTES LONGER.
ROB FALK: BECAUSE PUTNAM COUNTY SO SHORT WHERE WE ONCE HAD AN OFFICER IN ORANGE COUNTY I BELIEVE IT WAS, AND HE WAS AT THE VERY TIP OF IT, AND YET AT TWO AND A HALF HOUR COMMUTE TO GET HERE, BUT IT WAS ILLEGAL RESIDENTS, SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN REALLY GET RESOLVED BY.
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ROB FALK: THE PERSON YOU'RE INTERVIEWING WHO'S DOING THE HIRING AND IF THEY FEEL AT THAT TIME PERIOD IN TIME THERE'S ENOUGH IN HOUSE ARE CLOSE ALSO RESIDENTS THAT ARE OFFICERS HERE. ROB FALK: IT JUST DOES OPEN IT UP FOR US.
GUY DEMPSEY: OKAY COULD SOMEBODY CLARIFY FOR ME AND WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF THE RESTRICT THE CURRENT RESTRICTION ON HIRING ONLY FROM A JASON COUNTIES.
ROB FALK: I'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOU GAVE.
GABE CAPUTO: THE SOURCE.
GABE CAPUTO: A LOT OF IT COMES FROM SOMETHING BETWEEN A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS WHAT THE CITY OF RYE SETS UP WITH WESTCHESTER COUNTY HUMAN RESOURCES SO DIFFERENT RULES CAN.
GABE CAPUTO: YOU KNOW.
GABE CAPUTO: EVEN LIKE THE POSITIONS WE HAVE LIKE HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS WITH HOW MANY SERGEANTS WITH HOW MANY LIEUTENANTS.
GABE CAPUTO: WE AS A CITY WILL CONTACT THEM AND SAY HEY WE NEED THIS, THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE NEED IT AND THEY EITHER GRANT OR DON'T GRANT SO FOR SOME REASON AND IT'S PROBABLY TO.
GABE CAPUTO: LIMIT THE POOL OF WHO THEY TOOK HERE IN RIGHT, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR A LONG TIME.
GABE CAPUTO: THEY SAID ONLY ADJOINING COUNTIES SO, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE CITY OF RYE PETITION THAT TO THE COUNTY AND THAT'S PART OF OUR HIRING.
GABE CAPUTO: HERE IN RYE, THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS DON'T HAVE SO THERE'S NO RHYME OR REASON THAT I KNOW OF LIKE YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE NEED IT TO KEEP PEOPLE CLOSE TO WORK OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE I DON'T KNOW, THERE WAS NEVER A REASON GIVEN TO ME FOR IT.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK, AS A TECHNICAL MATTER, WE WE SORT OF RE WE PERHAPS COMBINED THAT IN APPROPRIATELY IN ITEM TWO, WHICH WAS THE IDEA THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN'T FIX OURSELVES, AND WE THEREFORE HAVE TO LOOK TO THE GOVERNOR AND ELECTED OFFICIALS TO MAKE THE CHANGE.
GUY DEMPSEY: WHAT THE SPECIFIC ITEM YOU'RE YOU'RE IDENTIFYING SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S TECHNICALLY WITHIN OUR CONTROL IN THAT IF WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT RYE PETITION, WHOEVER THEY NEED TO PETITION TO CHANGE THAT RESTRICTION.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT IS WITHIN OUR CONTROL.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND THEREFORE IT'S NOT REALLY PART OF IT, TOO, MIGHT BE A SEPARATE RECOMMENDATION, ARE THERE ANY IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE IT'S CURRENTLY INTO THAT REALLY IS.
GUY DEMPSEY: WITHIN OUR CONTROL LIKE THAT OR AS OPPOSED TO BEING SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE GOVERNOR GOVERNOR AND THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND.
SUSAN WATSON: I THINK THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S A CORRECT STATEMENT GUY AND ALSO I DON'T WANT OUR DISCUSSION WAS NOT ORIGINALLY PART OF THIS, IT WAS ABOUT HIRING THE HIRING FOOLS IT WAS FURTHER BACK OF THE DOCUMENT.
SUSAN WATSON: BUT IT JUMPS OUT RIGHT OUT HERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS LIMITING AND MAY NOT BE SOMETHING FOR ALBANY TO INVOLVE ITSELF WITH.
GUY DEMPSEY: WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S SHAPING UP AS AS AN EFFECTIVELY A NEW RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WOULD BE RICE SPECIFIC.
GUY DEMPSEY: AGAIN, DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT TO PEOPLE.
OKAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT'S HELPFUL.
GUY DEMPSEY: I'M SORRY AMANDA HAD HER HAND UP FOR A WHILE.
AMANDA YANNETT: AND THANK YOU I'M SHIFTING GEARS ON, I WOULD LIKE US TO ACKNOWLEDGE TODAY THE LETTER WE ALL GOT YESTERDAY AND I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT FURTHER, AND I KNOW IT'S.
AMANDA YANNETT: ONE O'CLOCK SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TIME, BUT I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE A PRIORITY FRIDAY, BECAUSE I WILL SAY I WAS VERY.
AMANDA YANNETT: DISAPPOINTED.
AMANDA YANNETT: AND AMANDA YANNETT: I WAS NOT HAPPY THAT WE HAVE BEEN MEETING, SINCE THE END OF SEP TEMBER AND IT'S NOW MARCH AND I'M FINDING OUT NOW.
AMANDA YANNETT: THAT A PERSON IN OUR COMMUNITY, A BLACK FEMALE IN OUR COMMUNITY WANTED TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE AND WAS DENIED, GIVEN THE MAKEUP OF OUR COMMITTEE AND ITS FOCUS ON RACE RELATIONS.
AMANDA YANNETT: IT MADE ME VERY, VERY DISAPPOINTED IN OUR COMMITTEE AND OUR WORK AND I JUST I REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHY THAT HAPPENED.
AMANDA YANNETT: AND WHY SHE HASN'T GIVEN BEEN GRANTED THE SPACE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE A GRANT WHY SHE HASN'T HAD THE SPACE TO SHARE HER VIEWS WITH US, WHATEVER THEY ARE, AND I THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN OUR COMMITTEE AND ON FRIDAY, AND I REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHY THAT HAPPENED.
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TED LIVINGSTON: I CAN I SPEAK TO. GUY DEMPSEY: NOW, YES, JUST WONDERING IF.
LISA DOMINICI: THAT DOES UP ALSO AND AMANDA I AGREE WITH.
LISA DOMINICI: YOU THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.
LISA DOMINICI: TODAY, OR FRIDAY 10 THEN BEN.
TED LIVINGSTON: YEAH JUST TO THINK POINTS AMANDA SO BEAUTIFULLY STATED, I ALSO THINK THAT HER LETTER SHOULD BE READ TO THE RICE CITY COUNCIL AS WELL AT A MINIMUM AT A MINIMUM IF SHE'S NOT PART OF THIS.
TED LIVINGSTON: COMMITTEE AND THEN MR TO ME, ALL I ASKED, BECAUSE THIS IS NOW MY AREA OF EXPERTISE TO CHOKE HOLDS JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS THE RECEIVED VIOLENT FELONY IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
TED LIVINGSTON: ALRIGHT, SO WHATEVER DECISION WE'RE MAKING HAS ALREADY BEEN DECIDED BY THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
TED LIVINGSTON: AND IT EXPOSES PEOPLE TO A MINIMUM, THREE AND A HALF YEARS AND STATE PRISON MAXIMUM 15 AND A HALF YEARS AND STATE PRISON.
TED LIVINGSTON: SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND, I JUST DON'T WANT THIS COMMITTEE TO SPEND TWO DAYS ON SOMETHING THAT NEW YORK STATE'S ALREADY ADDRESSED, AND IT WAS EFFECTIVE JUNE 12 OF LAST YEAR.
COREY STARK: THAT THAT'S TRUE COLD SO RIGHT THAT'S NOT.
TED LIVINGSTON: ALL IT'S IT'S IT GOES BEYOND IT GOES BEYOND SHOW CALLED IF YOU READ THE DEFINITION IT'S ANY AND THERE'S A SECOND CRIME.
TED LIVINGSTON: IT GOES.
LISA DOMINICI: WHEN DID WHEN DID COREY REAPPEAR.
COREY STARK: I ALWAYS HOVER.
COREY STARK: MEETINGS ARE QUICK.
TED LIVINGSTON: 121 POINT 11 IS CRIMINAL OBSTRUCTION OF BREATHING OR BLOOD CIRCULATION IT'S EXTREMELY BROAD AND THEN AGGRAVATED CIRCULATION, WHICH IS UNDER.
TED LIVINGSTON: SUBDIVISION A INCORPORATES THAT AS ITS DEFINITION, SO IT IS ALL ENCOMPASSING.
TED LIVINGSTON: ALL I WOULD INCLUDE.
COREY STARK: KNOW AND INCLUDE I'M JUST TRYING TO BECAUSE I'M NOT AWARE THAT THIS IS OUTSIDE MY AREA, BUT THAT WOULD INCLUDE HANDCUFFING SOMEONE AND PUTTING YOUR NAME ON THE BACK OF THEIR NECK AND LET.
TED LIVINGSTON: ME READ IT, LET ME READ THIS TO YOU OKAY PERSON IS GUILTY OF CRIMINAL OBSTRUCTION OF BREATHING OR BLOOD CIRCULATION WHEN WITH INTEND TO IMPEDE THE NORMAL BREATHING OR A CIRCULATION OF THE BLOOD OF ANOTHER PERSON HE OR SHE APPLIES PRESSURE ON THE THROAT OR NECK OF SUCH PERSON.
TED LIVINGSTON: OR BLITZ THE NOSE OR MOUTH OF SUCH PERSON CRIMINAL OBSTRUCTION OF BREATHING OR BLOOD CIRCULATION AND THEN AGGRAVATED STRANGULATION IS WHEN A POLICE OFFICER, OR EVEN A POLICE OFFICER APPLIES TO BOTH.
TED LIVINGSTON: HE COMMITS COMMITS THE CRIME THAT I JUST DESCRIBED, WHICH IS CRIMINAL OBSTRUCTION A BREATHING OR BLOOD CIRCULATION AS DEFINED OR USES A CHOKEHOLD OR A SIMILAR RESTRAINT VERY BROAD.
TED LIVINGSTON: AS DESCRIBED IN 137 T OF THE EXECUTIVE LAW AND THEREBY CAUSES SERIOUS PHYSICAL INJURY OR DEATH TO ANOTHER AND THAT'S A MINIMUM COREY JUST SEE YOU KNOW RIGHT BECAUSE AWRY CITY COUNCIL, I THINK.
TED LIVINGSTON: THEY CAN PASS AN ORDINANCE AND ACTUALLY MAKE IT A CRIME, BUT IT WOULD ONLY BE IN A MISDEMEANOR.
TED LIVINGSTON: THAT'S A CLASS C VIOLENT FELONY MINIMUM THREE AND A HALF MAXIMUM 15 YEARS AND STATE PRISON.
TED LIVINGSTON: IT WAS INCORPORATED PASSING LEGISLATION AND DIRECT AS A DIRECT CONSEQUENCE OF THE GEORGE FLOYD MATTER, BUT THIS WAS ADDRESSED AND I JUST THROW OTHER ISSUES UM BUT, BUT I JUST WANT.
TED LIVINGSTON: I WANT THE COMMITTEE AWARE OF THAT THAT'S ALL THAT WE NEED TO KNOW THAT THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED VERY FORCEFULLY IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
COREY STARK: THANK YOU.
LISA DOMINICI: SO WE HAVE BEEN NEXT.
BEN STACKS: I'M BACK ON ITEM TO I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF JUMPING AROUND HERE SO I'M HAPPY TO TABLE THAT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER STUFF, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK TO TO.
FOR A SECOND.
GUY DEMPSEY: LET'S STAY WITH THE CHOKEHOLD FOR A SECOND, BECAUSE I THINK WITH COREY IS BACK.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT'S THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ITEM.
GUY DEMPSEY: COREY THAT THAT RECOMMENDATION CAME FROM YOUR SUBCOMMITTEE.
GUY DEMPSEY: DO YOU HAVE ANY FEELINGS OF AMENDING IT OR CHANGING IT BASED ON YOU KNOW WHICH WHICH PITS TELLING US ABOUT THE CURRENT STATE OF THE LAW THAT WE, WE NEED TO.
GUY DEMPSEY: SEPARATE FOR EITHER IT ISN'T ALREADY COVERED IN THE LAW.
COREY STARK: THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS AND I'M NOT I MEAN CRIMINAL LAW IS NOT DONE ANY CRIMINAL LAW, FOR A LONG TIME, BUT THE ONE THING THAT STRUCK ME WITH WHAT TED WAS READING FROM 121 11 WASN'T TENT.
COREY STARK: SO I'M NOT I'M A LITTLE LESS CONCERNED I MEAN I DON'T WANT TO SEE POLICE OFFICERS TRYING TO RESTRICT INTENTIONALLY RESTRICT BREATHING BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT DONE.
COREY STARK: UNINTENTIONALLY EITHER, SO I MEAN WHAT THE IDEA OF THE RECOMMENDATION WAS IS IN LESS THAN POLICE OFFICER AND AGAIN THIS WAS.
COREY STARK: DISCUSSED WITH GABE AND WE CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO TRY TO MAKE GAVE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BUT I DO NOT WANT TO SEE.
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COREY STARK: A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE SUGGESTING AS A BOARD THAT YOU KNOW HANDCUFFING SOMEONE, AND YOU KNOW HOLDING THEM DOWN ON WITH THEIR FACE DOWN WITH ME ON BACK OR NECK, EVEN IF THERE IS NO INTENT TO STOP BREATHING IS OKAY, I MEAN IT SEEMS TO ME, AND AGAIN I'M NOT A POLICE OFFICER. COREY STARK: AND I'VE NEVER HAD TO RESTRAIN SOMEONE MAYBE FROM FOR THE MOST PART.
COREY STARK: BUT I MEAN IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE'S HANDS BEHIND THEIR BACK IN HANDCUFFS.
COREY STARK: THEY'RE FAIRLY WELL WESTERN IF YOU'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THEM RESTRAIN THEIR LEGS AND THEN PICK THEM UP AND PUT THEM IN A CAR AND TAKE THEM TO WHEREVER WHEREVER YOU NEED TO TAKE HIM.
COREY STARK: I'M DISGUSTED BY THE FACT THAT WE WATCHED VIDEOS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE KILLED WILL BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING QUOTE RESTRAINED.
COREY STARK: ONE THING I WOULD POINT OUT, IS, IF YOU CAN'T READ WHETHER IT'S INTENTIONAL OR UNINTENTIONAL IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO DIE YOU'RE GOING TO SCORE.
COREY STARK: SQUIRMING IS NOT A GOOD REASON TO APPLY MORE PRESSURE ON SOMEONE'S BACK OR NECK, BECAUSE THEIR QUOTE RESISTING THEY'RE TRYING TO STAY ALIVE, IS MY IS MY POINT AND WE'VE SEEN TOO MANY PEOPLE DIE.
COREY STARK: SO I'M CERTAINLY NOT SUGGESTING THAT THE POLICE OFFICER SHOULD PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY OF RESTRAINING VERSUS SOMEONE AND NOT RISKING.
COREY STARK: YOU KNOW, TOO MANY PEOPLE DIED FROM SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SO THAT'S WHAT SO I APPRECIATE TED'S READING OF THE LAW AND, QUITE FRANKLY I WASN'T I WASN'T AWARE, I WENT THAT FAR, SO I APPRECIATE THAT I'M I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE WORD INTENT.
COREY STARK: SO YOU KNOW IF ALL I MEAN I WANT I WANT POLICE OFFICERS IN RY AND I DON'T THINK THIS HAPPENS, BASED UPON THE INFORMATION I'VE HEARD.
COREY STARK: I DON'T WANT POLICE OFFICERS TO HOLD SOMEONE DOWN FOR ANY EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME WITH OR WITH THEM INTENT TO RESTRICT THEIR BREATHING.
COREY STARK: UNLESS YOU KNOW THEY'RE IN FEAR OF THEIR LIFE AND THERE'S A GOOD REASON TO DO IT AND THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED WITH GAVE I KNOW GABE HAS.
COREY STARK: RAISED HIS HAND AS SOON AS I STARTED TALKING SO YOU KNOW, FORGIVE ME IF I'VE RESTATED ANYTHING THAT YOU KNOW.
COREY STARK: I STAYED AT SOMETHING YOU DON'T AGREE WITH, BUT THAT'S THE WAY I HEARD IT AND THAT'S THE WAY WE TRIED TO END IT, SO THE QUESTION IS, DO I WANT TO AND THEN.
COREY STARK: UM I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH SAYING THAT WE, AS THE YOU KNOW THE CITY OF RYE, WANT TO BAN THE USE OF ANY RESTRICT THOSE TYPES OF RESTRICTION MANEUVERS AND THEY'RE DEFINED IN THE RECOMMENDATION, UNLESS THE OFFICER HAS YOU KNOW, IS IN FEAR OF HIS OR HER LIFE, I I.
COREY STARK: I FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT AND I FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO BE A CITY THAT'S IN THE NEWS, WHERE A VIDEO OF SOMEONE BEING KILLED BY SOMEONE WHO WAS INTENTIONALLY OR UNINTENTIONALLY RESTRAINING SOMEONE WITH YOU KNOW WITH ME ON THEIR BACK AROUND THEIR NECK.
LISA DOMINICI: I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE THE FLOOR TO GABE BECAUSE HE NEEDS TO LEAVE, AND HE HAS SILENT LEAVE IN RAISING HIS HAND AND THEN WE HAVE SHAHID.
LISA DOMINICI: ROB I THINK VINCE'S HAND IS UP TED'S HANDS UP HANDS I.
MEAN.
GABE CAPUTO: I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT COREY HAS SAID.
GABE CAPUTO: THE PIECE THAT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IS THERE ALREADY RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE AS A DEPARTMENT THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW, WE HAVE STATE LAW THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.
GABE CAPUTO: AND THINGS THAT YOU KNOW HAVE HAPPENED ELSEWHERE IN THE IN OUR WORLD THAT PAINTS COPS IN A TERRIBLE LIGHT BECAUSE THEY DID SOMETHING ATROCIOUS TO SOMEBODY YOU CAN'T I DON'T WANT TO OVERCORRECT FOR THOSE THINGS.
GABE CAPUTO: WHEN THE INADVERTENT PIECE WHY THAT'S IN THE LAW, AND I KNOW GREG US ME NEVER TO SAY THIS, NOT TO GO HERE BUT.
GABE CAPUTO: I'M GOING TO ANY ONE OF YOU I'LL GIVE YOU A SET OF HANDCUFFS AND I'LL GIVE YOU ALL THE SAFETY STUFF YOU WANT, AND I YOU GUYS CAN TRY TO RESTRAIN ME.
GABE CAPUTO: AND YOU WILL INADVERTENTLY DO THINGS TO ME AS YOU TRY TO PUT THOSE HANDCUFFS ON ME.
GABE CAPUTO: RIGHT SO THAT'S WHY THAT WORD IS IN THAT LAW RIGHT, BUT ONCE SOMEBODY HANDCUFFED WE HAVE RULES THAT WE HAVE TO DO WE DON'T KEEP THEM FACEDOWN WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT RULES AND REGS PROHIBIT THAT HERE IN RIGHT.
GABE CAPUTO: RIGHT, SO WE TYPICALLY SET SOMEBODY UP OR WE PUT THEM IN A RECOVERY POSITION WHICH IS ON YOUR SIDE.
GABE CAPUTO: SO IN YOU KNOW A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE SAID THAT COREY SAID, ARE TRUE, HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE THINGS IN PLACE ALREADY, FOR THAT AND.
GABE CAPUTO: I AM VERY HESITANT TO ADD ANY WORDING THAT IS GOING TO PREVENT THE PORT CHESTER POLICE TO COME AND HELP ME WHEN I'M FIGHTING WITH SOMEBODY ON THE STREET.
GABE CAPUTO: OVER ON COTTAGE WHEN THE CLOSEST UNIT TO ME, IS A PORCHESTER UNIT, WHEN MY UNIT IS DOWN IN GREEN HAVEN, WITH A HEART ATTACK, SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY, VERY CAREFUL WITH THAT LANGUAGE.
GABE CAPUTO: TO NOT DO WHAT NEW YORK CITY HAS DONE TO THE REST OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, NOT JUST WESTCHESTER BUT THE WHOLE STATE SO EVERYTHING COREY SAID IS TRUE ABSOLUTELY, BUT I FEEL.
GABE CAPUTO: THERE'S ENOUGH STUFF ON OUR BOOKS FROM POLICY AND PROCEDURE STATE LAW, AND WE SHOULD ALWAYS LOOK TO WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING.
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GABE CAPUTO: TO THEM, SO WE CAN MIMIC THAT THERE BECAUSE WHEN WE WHEN REALLY BIG STUFF'S GOING ON, THEY COME AND THEY GIVE US A HAND WITH ALL THIS STUFF HERE. GABE CAPUTO: SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE STILL GOING TO COME INTO OUR COMMUNITY TO SO THAT'S ALL I KIND OF HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE AS A GROUP HAVE TO REALLY CONSIDER THAT PIECE BEFORE WE ADD ANYTHING TO A NEW LAW OR RESTRICTION TO A COP'S CAN AND CAN'T DO HERE IN OUR CITY.
JAMIE JENSEN: THANK YOU OKAY THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL.
LISA DOMINICI: SHAHID YOU'VE HAD YOUR HAND UP FOR A WHILE.
SHAHID B. MALIK: YEAH SORRY I DON'T MEAN TO BE RUDE IT A VERY IMPORTANT CONVERSATION, BUT I HAD MENTIONED TO YOU THAT.
SHAHID B. MALIK: I HAVE.
SHAHID B. MALIK: ANOTHER COMMITMENT I MUST BE RIGHT NOW SO.
LISA DOMINICI: YES, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE LOSING A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN A FEW MINUTES.
LISA DOMINICI: THANK YOU FOR REMINDING US.
THANK YOU.
LISA DOMINICI: ROB.
ROB FALK: I BELIEVE VINCE TO ME CUZ I GOTTA BE FAIR HERE INSIDE HIS HAND UP.
ROB FALK: OH SORRY, YOU KNOW I'LL GO OUT FOR HIM.
LISA DOMINICI: THAT'S FAIR WER S SURE.
VINCE TOOMEY: YOU SHORT ACTUALLY A GIG GIG COMPUTER COVERED, ALMOST ALL OF THE POINTS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE THERE ARE ISSUES ABOUT LEGISLATING OVER THIS SUBJECT, BUT I SEE THIS ONE IS.
VINCE TOOMEY: REALLY WITHIN THE GOOD JUDGMENT OF THE POLICE OFFICIALS AND OFFICERS ON THE CALL I AM WORKING ON ABOUT A DOZEN OTHER POLICE REFORM COMMITTEES.
VINCE TOOMEY: AND I AM NOT SEEING THOSE COMMITTEES, MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS ON.
VINCE TOOMEY: RESTRAINT MANEUVERS THAT DOESN'T MEAN RIGHT COULD NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THAT EFFECT, BUT I'M SEEING THAT AS SOMETHING THAT'S LEFT TO.
VINCE TOOMEY: BE STUDIED BY POLICE OFFICIALS TO CERTAINLY TRAIN OFFICERS IN PROPER TECHNIQUES TO LESSEN THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THERE WOULD BE A RESTRICTION AND BREATHING.
VINCE TOOMEY: AND I THINK AS TED POINTED OUT THAT STATE LAWS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, I THINK, WHILE THE PARAMETERS OF THE STATE OR BEING EXPLORED.
VINCE TOOMEY: HAVING A POLICY AND RYE THAT GOES BEYOND THAT, WITHOUT THAT LAW REALLY BEING TESTED MIGHT NOT BE PROVEN RIGHT, I SEE THIS MORE AS AN OPERATIONAL ISSUE, NOT A LEGAL ISSUE, SO I PRETTY MUCH JUST A SECOND THING WHAT GABE SAID.
GUY DEMPSEY: ROB OVER TO YOU.
ROB FALK: OKAY, I, I JUST WANT TO GO BACK A TINY BIT ON KOREA WAS SPEAKING AND.
ROB FALK: I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PERFECTLY CLEAR AMONGST THIS COMMITTEE, THAT THERE IS NO INSTANCES WHERE YOU FELT THAT ARRIVED POLICE OFFICER OR ANOTHER OFFICER COMING TO HELP ARRIVED POLICE OFFICER.
ROB FALK: YOU KNOW, DID ANYTHING BEYOND YOU KNOW RESTRAINING SOMEBODY I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PERFECTLY CLEAR, BECAUSE.
ROB FALK: I KNOW THE GOVERNOR WANTED US TO LOOK AT OUR OWN POLICE AGENCY, AND I THINK WE'RE GOING BEYOND THAT.
ROB FALK: AND I AGREE WITH SOME THINGS THAT YOU'D SAY, AND I THINK DAVE COVERED A LOT OF GOOD POINTS THAT I WOULD HAVE LIKED COVERED.
ROB FALK: BUT I WANTED TO COMMITTEE TO UNDERSTAND, DOING THE LAST FIVE YEARS 27 OFFICERS HAVE BEEN INJURED IN THE COURSE OF AFFECTING IN A REMATCH.
ROB FALK: AND THAT COST US ABOUT 233 WORK DAYS, BECAUSE OF THOSE INJURIES AND I BELIEVE OUR NUMBER IS THERE'S BEEN ONE COMPLAINT THAT WAS DONE FOUNDED ON THE USE OF EXCESSIVE FORCE DURING A REST IN THE SAME PERIOD OF TIME, SO.
ROB FALK: WE WE I MYSELF, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS.
ROB FALK: MEETING TODAY, I HAVE TO ENSURE THE OFFICER SAFETY AND WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE TOOLS THAT THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOB EFFECTIVELY AND UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS SOME RISK IN PROVIDING PUBLIC SAFETY.
ROB FALK: BUT WAIT A SECOND YOU TURN ON A LIGHT.
ROB FALK: AND YOU GO 31 MILES AN HOUR AND A 30 MILE AN HOUR SPEED DON'T YOU ARE ENDANGERING SOMEBODY'S LIFE AND THAT'S A LOT FOR AN OFFICER TO CARRY WITH THEM EVERY DAY DAY IN, DAY OUT, NO MATTER WHAT COLOR WHAT GENDER, THEY ARE OR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN NOT BELIEVE IT SO.
ROB FALK: THAT'S MY SPEECH FOR TODAY I'LL BE QUIET AS JAMIE SIDE OF THINGS AND BE QUIET NOW.
LISA DOMINICI: THANK YOU, WE HAVE TED AND THEN COREY.
TED LIVINGSTON: YEAH I I FEEL SO STRONGLY ABOUT STRICT STRICT STRIKING PARAGRAPH 17 FOR SO MANY REASONS BUT 35.3 LAYS OUT.
TED LIVINGSTON: WHAT POLICE CAN DO IN EFFECTING AND ARREST, NOT ONLY DOES IT PERMIT PHYSICAL FORCE IT PERMITS DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE WHEN HE OR SHE REASONABLY BELIEVES IT TO BE NECESSARY.
TED LIVINGSTON: AND THE REASON IT'S CRAFTED THAT WAY IS, AND THE ONLY THE ONLY WAY IT CAN BE CRAFTED HONESTLY, IS THE WAY IT'S CRAFTED BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS TO AFFORD POLICE FLEXIBILITY.
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TED LIVINGSTON: TO READ SITUATIONS AS THEY UNFOLD, WE WOULD ALL IT WOULD BE SUCH A NICE WORLD IF WE COULD PREDICT. TED LIVINGSTON: HOW SOME VERY BAD PEOPLE AND AND AND AND SO MANY PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THINK THAT CRIME DOESN'T OCCUR AND ARRIVED, BUT WE HAVE THESE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES AND I'VE BEEN IN COURT AT ARRAIGNMENT ON THEM.
TED LIVINGSTON: WERE REALLY VIOLENT PEOPLE GET OFF GET OFF 95 OR GET OFF TO EIGHT SEVEN.
TED LIVINGSTON: YOU KNOW AND EITHER WHAT A GAS UP OR TO STEAL CARS, THEY USE AND SHOOT AND SHOOT OUTS AND OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE OR OUTSIDE OF THE STATE THERE'S SOME REALLY VIOLENT PEOPLE AND.
TED LIVINGSTON: THE WORST THING WE CAN DO AS A COMMITTEE, IS WELL INTENTIONED INQUIRIES ABSOLUTELY WELL INTENTION, NOBODY WANTS TO SEE SOME HORRIBLE MURDER OCCUR.
TED LIVINGSTON: OKAY, BY A CRIMINAL AND THAT'S WHAT THAT POLICE OFFICER WAS IN MINNEAPOLIS NOBODY WANTS TO SEE THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT WHAT WE CAN'T DO.
TED LIVINGSTON: OKAY, IS RESTRICT OUR POLICE FROM WEAPONS THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SAFE AND WE'RE SAFE AND I'LL ADD ONE THING AND THEN I'LL BE QUIET.
TED LIVINGSTON: WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT THIS OKAY.
TED LIVINGSTON: WHEN YOU DEEM A CHOKEHOLD DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE AND THEY'RE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHUCKLES OKAY I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE WE'RE REFERRING TO, AND I AM NOT PROMOTING THE USE OF THEM.
TED LIVINGSTON: WHAT THAT DOES OKAY UNDER THE STATUTE IS IT PERMITS POLICE TO USE DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE SO WHAT WE ARE DOING UNINTENTIONALLY, OBVIOUSLY, IS AUTHORIZING POLICE TO SHOOT SOMEBODY.
TED LIVINGSTON: IF SOMEONE ELSE HAS IT SOMEONE IF TO CIVILIANS, ONE HAS ONE IN A CHOKEHOLD OKAY BY STATE LAW.
TED LIVINGSTON: DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE ONCE IT BECOMES DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE BEGETS DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE.
TED LIVINGSTON: SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN WE'RE NAVIGATING THROUGH THESE WATERS AND LIKE I SAID, ALWAYS IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND SHOULD BE A 14 POLICE FLEXIBILITY TO DEAL WITH UNFORESEEABLE EVENTS AS THEY UNFOLD, THANK YOU.
GUY DEMPSEY: COREY I THINK YOU'RE.
ON MUTE.
COREY STARK: FOR JUST A COUPLE POINTS.
COREY STARK: THE DEADLY FORCE ASPECT OF THE RECOMMENDATION CAME DIRECTLY FROM GAME.
COREY STARK: AND HE WANTED IT THERE, BECAUSE HE WANTED THE ABILITY TO USE THE CHOKEHOLD IF NECESSARY.
COREY STARK: I'M THE RECOMMENDATION THAT SUSAN AND I MADE WAS AT LEAST FROM MY MY STANDPOINT WAS NOT INTENDED TO MAKE OR CREATE A CRIMINAL CODE, WITH RESPECT TO CONDUCT OF ANYONE.
COREY STARK: IT WAS THE IDEA WAS IS THAT AND I THINK GAVE ANSWERED A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS HOLDING SOMEONE DOWN FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
COREY STARK: I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S EVER NECESSARY IF SOMEONE IS YOU CAN INJURE SOMEONE WHILE PUTTING ON HANDCUFFS.
COREY STARK: BUT AFTER THEY'RE HANDCUFFED WHY ANYONE SHOULD EVER BE HELD DOWN FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME ON IT AND THAT'S SO IF WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT'S LIMITED, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO GO IN, BECAUSE WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THERE IS NO RESTRICTION ON THAT.
COREY STARK: I WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE THAT THE POLICE SHOULD BE PROTECTED IT'S A DANGEROUS JOB AND I CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT TO SEND A POLICE OFFICER INTO A SITUATION WHERE THE POLICE OFFICERS DON'T FEEL PROTECTED, BECAUSE OF ANYTHING THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE RECOMMENDED.
COREY STARK: SO, LIKE I SAID I THINK IT'S A TIMING ISSUE IF SOMEONE'S RESTRAINT, THEN THERE'S NO REASON TO DO ANYTHING FURTHER AND THE LAST THING, AND THIS IS MORE DRAFTING ISSUE IS, I ACTUALLY THINK WE NEED THE DEFINITION OF OF THE RESTRICTION MANEUVERS FOR PURPOSES OF OUR DEMOGRAPHIC.
COREY STARK: SO YOU KNOW IF WE STRIKE THE THE THIS THIS SECTION WHOLE LIKE WHOLESALE WHICH I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO AND I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF, BUT IF WE WERE TO DO THAT.
COREY STARK: THEN OUR DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE CONFUSING BECAUSE THE WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THIS SECTION IS A DEFINITION OF WHAT THE.
COREY STARK: RESTRICTED MANEUVERS ARE IN THEIR CHUCKLES AND YOU KNOW BEING ON SOMEONE'S BACK, WHILE THEY'RE RESTRAINED FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
COREY STARK: SO I DO BELIEVE WE WANT TO KEEP INFORMATION OF WHETHER THAT'S HAPPENING, AND I AGREE WITH YOU ON OFFICER OR MR FOX YEAH AS FAR AS I KNOW IT HASN'T HAPPENED IN RIGHT AND I'M THRILLED TO HEAR THAT AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT INFORMATION.
COREY STARK: I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE IT HAPPEN.
LISA DOMINICI: INGRAM YOUR HAND IS UP.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: YEAH BECAUSE I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO AND I'M SURE WE GET INTO ALL OF THIS AND.
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INGRAHAM TAYLOR: OF COURSE, YOU KNOW I ALWAYS TAKE IT IN FIRST SO TED. INGRAHAM TAYLOR: TED.
TED LIVINGSTON: YEAH I'M LISTENING, I ALWAYS LISTEN TO YOU ANGRY.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: OKAY, SO WHAT I WANTED TO SAY TO YOU WAS THAT YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO MANY PEOPLE, WHILE LISTENING TO YOU THIS LAST.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: PIECE, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW WHAT ALL I ONLY HEARD, I HEARD A LOT OF STUFF BUT LIKE JAMIE I'M NOT LEGALLY INCLINED OR ANYTHING I'M A LICENSED SOCIAL WORKER, BUT ALL I HEARD WAS DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE AND THEN SHOOT NOBODY'S TALKED ABOUT A TASER IN PERSON, IF WE HAD TO DO THAT HERE AND RYE.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IN THE COUNTRY.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: RIGHT AND WHITE PLAINS KIND OF CHAMBERLAIN'S DAD WAS SHOT BY THE POLICE, EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS TED YOU KNOW IT COREY KNOWS IT ALL THE LEGAL EAGLE BEAGLES HERE KNOW THAT NOTICE.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: HE WASN'T TASTE EITHER DOOR WAS BUSTED IN HE WAS SHOT DEAD SO.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: YOU KNOW I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY THAT'S WHY I AGREE WITH COREY I UNDERSTAND HE'S COMING I'M NOT SAYING, NOT TO PROTECT OUR POLICE EITHER, BUT LIKE COREY SAID THAT'S TOO MANY I'VE SEEN TOO MANY PEOPLE DIE MYSELF.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND NOT NOT YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S ON TV THAT KID ELIZA MCLEAN I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY THE OTHER DAY, WHO WAS CAUCASIAN.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND I SAID I'M SO TIRED OF SEEING THIS ELIZA MCCLENDON OR COLORADO IF YOU GUYS DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS ANOTHER POLICE INCIDENT.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: KID WAS 23 YEARS OLD 120 SOMETHING POUNDS HIS MOTHER WAS ON TV SAYING THAT SHE FELT LIKE HER KID WAS ASSASSINATED, THESE ARE THE TERMS WE'RE USING NOW IN THIS COUNTRY.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: ESPECIALLY PEOPLE OF COLOR THIS IS 2021 I'M GONNA I'M REALLY BEING REDUNDANT AND REPEATING EVERYTHING I ALWAYS SAY BUT THAT'S OKAY I LOVE YOUR.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: THE FACT THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE TAKING IT FROM ME AND I LOVE THAT THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT, BUT THIS IS REAL STUFF.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: GOING ON EVERY DAY 24 HOURS A DAY ACROSS THIS COUNTRY AND JUST BECAUSE WE'RE RY DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AND EVERYBODY KNOWS, SO I SAY TRAIN AND TRAIN AND TRAINING, JUST LIKE.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: JAMIE AND I HAD RECOMMENDED IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE, EVEN AS A PD I'M SURE MOST POLICE OFFICERS THAT ADRENALINE STARTS TO FLOW MAN AND BAM YOU'RE DEAD.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND YOU KNOW THE OTHER THING I THOUGHT ABOUT BEING ON THESE CALLS JUST EVEN LAST WEEK I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT NOBODY ALSO KNOWS MY SON GREW UP HERE.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND RIGHT NOW SO I'M AN OFFICER DO BUT THEY'RE ALL RETIRED NOW BUT GOOD KID WENT TO COLLEGE IS GOOD GOOD GUY HE'S 42 NOW BUT GUESS WHAT HE'S STILL SIX FOUR AND HE'S LIKE TO 45 TO 50.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW HIM AND MAYBE, JUST LIKE ELIJAH ELIJAH THE KIDNEY LEGEND MCLEAN AND COLORADO WHEN I HEARD THAT BOY PLEASING OFFICER, I WAS JUST IN BECAUSE HE HAD A FACE MASK ON BECAUSE HE WAS ASTHMATIC AND THE COPS THAT HE LOOKS SKETCHY WELL, WHAT ABOUT IT WAS MY SON.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: LIKE I TOLD YOU ALL NEXT.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: LAST WEEK, IF I WALK DOWN THE STREET, NOBODY KNOWS I LIVE HERE.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND THEN MAYBE HE'S NOT DOING ANYTHING BUT YOU STOP HIM AND THEN IN THE END HE'S PUT DOWN ON ON THE GROUND AND THEN LIKE CORY SAID YOU'VE HANDCUFFED HIM AND THAT'S GOOD TO GO, BUT THAT AIN'T ENOUGH AND THEN SOMETHING HAPPENS SO I OWN THIS TOWN.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: SO THIS IS THE REASON WHY IT IS IMPORTANT, JUST LIKE YOU SAID TO STATE YOUR WORDS CAREFULLY I GET ALL THAT BUT ALSO TAKE THOSE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS AND PUT THEM OUT TO THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THAT TRAINING IS BIG EVERYBODY ON THE SCREEN KNOWS.
GUY DEMPSEY: THANK YOU.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: OKAY.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: I GOT ON.
GUY DEMPSEY: HOW DOES, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO BRING THIS TO A HALT, JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE DROPPING AND THEY HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO WE'RE RECONVENING IT ON FRIDAY AT THREE O'CLOCK I THINK WE SHOULD PREPARE FOR SHOWS FOR A LENGTHY SESSION THERE.
GUY DEMPSEY: I'VE THOUGHT OF ONE POSSIBLE WAY OF HELPING US MOVE FORWARD BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, AND THAT WOULD BE IF ANYBODY HAS.
GUY DEMPSEY: STRONG NEGATIVE FEELINGS ABOUT ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, SO, IF YOU WOULD HAVE CHECKED TO ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE REVISED SET.
GUY DEMPSEY: IF YOU COULD LET LISA AND I KNOW ABOUT THAT OBJECTION, SO THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT, WHICH ARE THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL THE REMAINING RECOMMENDATIONS AND AND YOU CAN SHAPE THE CONVERSATION EFFICIENTLY ON FRIDAY.
BEN STACKS: GUY IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SENDING THAT RECOMMENDATION OR YOU AND LISA TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT ON THE CALL JUST SO THEY GOT THAT MESSAGE.
GUY DEMPSEY: SURE I WILL DO THAT AS WELL.
COREY STARK: CAN I ASK A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.
COREY STARK: ARE AND I HAVEN'T DONE THIS YET, AND MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE THEM, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO SEND NOTICE TO PEOPLE ABOUT IT'S THE 11TH IS THE QUESTIONS.
COREY STARK: COMMENTS SAY SESSION RIGHT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE SENDING NOTICE OUT TO THE PEOPLE THAT WE SEND NOTICE OF THE SURVEY TO HOW ARE WE DEALING WITH THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE GOOD PARTICIPATION.
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CAROLINA JOHNSON: I CAN DO A LITTLE SEGMENT TO BE SENT BACK VIA SOCIAL MEDIA AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAYOR WANTS TO USE THE LISTER I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WHAT OTHER IDEAS. GENEVIEVE WEBER: WE WORK WITH THEM NANCY DISQUALIFY COALITION AND BECAUSE YOU KNOW, ON THAT CALL YOU GOT ALL AND ASK THEM.
SUSAN WATSON: SO.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: SOME COMMUNITY NETWORKS.
LISA DOMINICI: WELL YEAH SO WE HAVE.
LISA DOMINICI: A PROCESS FOR THIS RIGHT, WE HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT WE CREATED IN THE BEGINNING.
LISA DOMINICI: TO FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT WE SHOULD FOLLOW AND IT INCLUDES YOU KNOW THE THE VALUE OF WELL JEN HAS A LOT OF VALUE TO THIS BUT, AS YOU KNOW, SHE.
LISA DOMINICI: DISTRIBUTED TO THE TIRE EVERY OTHER PEOPLE'S PART OF THE RECIPE SCHOOL DISTRICT SO EVERY PARENT DISTRICT WILL GET SOMETHING SO I HAVE CREATED SIMILAR.
LISA DOMINICI: PIECES THAT WE USE LAST TIME I'LL DISTRIBUTE THEM TO THE COMMITTEE, AND I THINK AND I'LL DISTRIBUTE THAT LIST AGAIN BUT JOSH IF YOU COULD INCLUDE IT IN YOUR MATE YOU KNOW AND YOUR REPORT AND EVERYONE ELSE, AND ALL THE.
LISA DOMINICI: CHANNELS, WE HAVE IT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE RIGHT RECORD A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, SO IT SHOULD BE IN THERE, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE LAST ISSUE I HOPE IT IS UM IT SHOULD BE ONLINE I'M SURE THEY WILL PUT IT ONLINE FOR US AGAIN BUT, SO WE SHOULD USE ALL OF OUR CHANNELS.
COREY STARK: TO SO I'M SORRY NOT TO BE DIFFICULT, BUT THE LAST TIME WE HAD LISTENING SESSIONS, I BELIEVE YOU SENT US LANGUAGE YOU WANTED US TO SEND TO OTHER PEOPLE.
COREY STARK: THERE WAS LIKE A NOTICE, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO SEND OUT ARE WE DOING THAT, AGAIN, OR ARE WE SUPPOSED TO MEAN.
COREY STARK: I'M JUST BECAUSE I HAVEN'T DONE IT YET AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT I'M RESPONSIBLE TO GIVE NOTICE TO I DO, I MEAN, I WOULD JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE AS TO WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO SO, WE GET NOTICED.
LISA DOMINICI: SO I WILL SEND TO YOU ALL LANGUAGE, PLUS AN ATTACHMENT THAT ALSO IS LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE POSTCARD BUT WITH INFORMATION IT'S A PDF AND IT HAS A LINK TO THE REGISTRATION IF IT'S KEPT AS A PDF.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: SORRY.
LISA DOMINICI: AND THEN, OH NO THAT'S FINE.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE HAVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS ALREADY YOU KNOW INCLUDED, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AND THEY CAN COMMENT ON IT.
LISA DOMINICI: WELL, WE YEAH WE ACTUALLY OUR TIMELINE WAS TO HAVE THEM ON.
LISA DOMINICI: THE SITE LAST ON THE FIRST ON MONDAY, WHICH THEY'RE NOT THERE YET, SO YOU KNOW.
GENEVIEVE WEBER: I OWE YOU A SUMMARY ABOUT THE SURVEY I GOTTA GET THAT SHOES.
LISA DOMINICI: OKAY, BUT WE SHOULDN'T YOU KNOW THOSE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS NEED TO YOU KNOW SO EVEN MAYBE THE ONES THAT WE'VE AGREED UPON, NEED TO BE UP THERE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
LISA DOMINICI: YEAH THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
LISA DOMINICI: WHOEVER BROUGHT THAT UP JUST.
GUY DEMPSEY: I GUESS THAT BRINGS US TO A CLOSE, FOR TODAY, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION.
TED LIVINGSTON: AND HELLO EVERYONE.
LISA DOMINICI: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, HAVE A GOOD AFTERNOON.
SUSAN WATSON: YOU LISA WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE JUST RESTART COLLATE ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AGAIN IN THEIR CURRENT FORMAT US.
LISA DOMINICI: YES, I THINK I THINK WE DO NEED TO DO.
SUSAN WATSON: WHAT I HAVE IS DATED FEBRUARY 21 AND I FEEL COMPLETELY OUT OF DATE, BECAUSE THINGS HAVE MOVED AROUND AND.
LISA DOMINICI: YEAH IN FACT WILL UPDATE IT WITH WHAT'S BEEN AGREED UPON TODAY AND RESUBMIT THOSE.
LISA DOMINICI: PERFECT YEAH THANK.
LISA DOMINICI: YOU THANK YOU SUSAN YOU BET.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
