CITY OF RYE ZOOM ADMIN: PRETTY JEALOUS OR GOOD.
[Rye Police Department Review on March 5, 2021.]
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ROB FALK: THOUGH GUY KNOW TED LIVINGSTON'S TRYING TO GET IN. TED LIVINGSTON: NOT HERE.
TED LIVINGSTON: YOU ALWAYS GOT MY BACK, I APPRECIATE THAT.
ROB FALK: BUT YOUR FINAL RESTING SPOT.
ROB FALK: YEAH LET THEM GO.
ROB FALK: HEY COME STAY DRY THERE, LET THEM GO JOE.
LISA DOMINICI: OKAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: LISA DO YOU WANT ASSERTION I.
LISA DOMINICI: KNOW YOU HAVE BEFORE.
GUY DEMPSEY: WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LOT TO GET THROUGH TODAY BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY NEED TO GET OUR SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS OUT FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, SINCE THE PUBLIC LISTENING SESSION IS NEXT WEEK, BUT WE DID STAY, WE WOULD START THE SESSION TODAY WITH ADDRESSING THE LETTER FROM OFFICER ANDERSON.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND I THINK WE'VE WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF.
GUY DEMPSEY: FACT FINDING AND WE CAN TELL.
GUY DEMPSEY: OFFICER ANDERSON DID NOT CONTACT THE MAYOR OR LEASE OR MYSELF ABOUT MEMBERSHIP ON THE COMMITTEE SO SHE WAS NOT SHE DIDN'T MAKE A SHE NEVER MADE A FORMAL REQUEST AND WAS TURNED DOWN.
GUY DEMPSEY: BUT I THINK OTHERS MAY WANT TO ADD TO THE STORY OR MAKE STATEMENTS BUT LET'S TRY AND KEEP THIS TO A TO A FIVE OR 10 MINUTE CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW, IF WE NEED TO GO FURTHER, WE WILL HAVE TO POSTPONE THAT UNTIL THE END OF THE END OF THE SESSION BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET RECOMMENDATIONS.
JOSH COHN: ROBERT TO TO YOU.
ROB FALK: AN ANSWER I SPOKE WITH WOULD PLAY AFTER I HAD READ HER LETTER AND SHE REMINDED ME OF A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD BACK IN SEPTEMBER AT THE RIGHT GOLF OUTING.
ROB FALK: WHERE SHE WAS SHOWING INTEREST IN BECOMING A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE AND I TOOK IT THAT SHE WAS INQUIRING AS A POLICE OFFICER TO BECOME A MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE AND I EXPLAINED TO HER THAT.
ROB FALK: BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE SOMEBODY FROM THE DEPARTMENT WAS AT EVERY MEETING I REQUESTED THAT WE ADD A FEW MORE OFFICERS TO THE OUR LIST OF TWO AND AND I WAS TOLD THAT KNOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
ROB FALK: IS LIMITED TO TWO.
ROB FALK: PERSONS FOR THE COMMITTEE AT THAT TIME AND UNDERSTANDING, BECAUSE OTHER DEPARTMENTS IT INCLUDED NUMEROUS OFFICERS ON THEIR COMMITTEES.
ROB FALK: FOR BEING ACCUSED OF STACKING THE COMMITTEE WITH POLICE HOPE IT WAS SIMPLY THAT I BELIEVE LATOYA TOOK IT AS HER SELF BEING DENIED AT LEAST THAT'S THE INDICATION OF HER LETTER AND LATOYA IS A PRETTY OPEN PERSON SO ANYBODY'S WILL YOU KNOW.
ROB FALK: HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH HER AND FIND OUT HOW SHE REALLY FELT THAT I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK HER INNER FEELINGS, BUT THERE WAS OTHER OFFICERS HERE THAT.
ROB FALK: DID INQUIRE ABOUT HOW TO GET ON THE COMMITTEE AND WE WERE TOLD WE'RE LIMITED TO TWO THERE'S MYSELF AND DAVE COMPUTER OH, AND A MORE OR SO, BECAUSE HIM BEING THE UNION PRESIDENT SHOULD HAVE A LOT OF INPUT INTO WHAT IS TAKING PLACE OR HIS MEMBERSHIP.
ROB FALK: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: I'M SORRY I'M SORRY I CAME IN LATE, CAN YOU JUST SAY WHAT YOU SAID IN THE BEGINNING RON.
ROB FALK: UP IN REGARDS TO THE PLAYERS LETTER.
ROB FALK: YES, IT WAS A CONVERSATION THAT LATOYA AND MYSELF HAD AT OUR PVA GOLF OUTING OKAY.
ROB FALK: SHE WAS INQUIRING AS.
ROB FALK: TO HOW TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE POLICE REFORM SOMEBODY AND I EXPLAINED TO HER IN SHORT INGRAM I DON'T KNOW PART YOU CAME IN ON.
ROB FALK: THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS LIMITED TO TWO MEMBERS ON THE COMMITTEE.
ROB FALK: DUE TO THE FACT THAT I BELIEVE WE DIDN'T WANT TO SHOW FAVORITISM BY OVERTAXING MANY POLICE OFFICERS.
COREY STARK: INTERIM IF I COULD JUST ADD THE WAY IT STARTED WAS GUY HAD REPORTED THAT.
COREY STARK: OFFICER.
COREY STARK: THE OFFICER DID NOT COMMUNICATE OR MAKE A REQUEST TO HIM LISA OR THE MAYOR FOR MEMBERSHIP ON TO THE COMMITTEE, SO IT WAS INTERNAL REQUEST THAT WAS THAT WAS THE INFORMATION I THINK YOU LOST YOU MISSED OH.
JOSH COHN: WELL, LET ME, LET ME ADD A GRANDMOTHER WERE YOU SPEAKING.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: YEAH NOW ON LISTENING.
JOSH COHN: OK, SO THE REASON FOR TO ROB ACTUALLY APPROACHED ME WITH A THOUGHT OF PUTTING.
JOSH COHN: OTHER LIEUTENANTS.
JOSH COHN: ON THE COMMITTEE.
JOSH COHN: WITH A VIEW TO LIEUTENANTS BEING ABLE TO ATTEND FLEXIBLY AND THE NEW YORK STATE GUIDEBOOK CALLS FOR LEADERSHIP OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
JOSH COHN: AND IN THE CASE OF OUR SMALL DEPARTMENT, I WANTED OUR TOP GUY AND I WANTED OUR TOP GUY THERE CONSISTENTLY THE NEW YORK STATE GUIDE BOOK ALSO SPEAKS OF MEMBERSHIP OF THE DEPARTMENT AND THEN SPECIFICALLY SAYS CONSIDER YOUR YOUR UNION CHIEF, AND SO I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT WOULD BE GAY.
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JOSH COHN: AND THEN I WAS VERY MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT MAY VOTE ON THINGS, WE HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT LISTENS TO HOW PEOPLE TO WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY, BUT ULTIMATELY WE HAVE VOTERS AND SO WHEN ROB ASKED ME TO ADD LIEUTENANTS MY THOUGHT WAS. JOSH COHN: WE ARE DOING WHAT THE GUIDEBOOK REQUESTS WE HAVE LEADERSHIP WE HAVE THE UNION CHIEF BUT I DON'T WISH TO HAVE MORE THAN TWO POLICE PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE THAT WAS HOW THAT WAS THE INSTRUCTION THAT WENT TO ROB AND THAT LATER PLAYED IN HIS CONVERSATION WITH OFFICER ANDERSON.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: OKAY, CAN I JUST ASK ROB HOW DID SHE.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: SHE UNDERSTOOD ALL THAT.
ROB.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: ROB.
ROB FALK: I'M SORRY WAS THE QUESTIONING ROOM LIKE.
ROB FALK: I SAID SHE.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: SAID LOOK TOY YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT YOU.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: JUST JUST WAS SAYING, DID YOU EXPLAIN IT TO HER THAT WAY, AND SHE UNDERSTOOD WHY SHE COULDN'T BE CHOSEN.
ROB FALK: I BELIEVE LATOYA MIGHT HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH A BAD AFTER AND MYSELF, I REALLY CAN'T GIVE YOU AN HONEST.
ROB FALK: ANSWER WHETHER SHE UNDERSTOOD.
ROB FALK: THE OPENSTACK AND OF THE COMMITTEE.
ROB FALK: I I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT INGRAM.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: OKAY, SO JUST ME FINISHING MY LAST POINT, I JUST WANTED TO SAY SO, CAN WE VISIT LATER, WHAT ABOUT STILL THAT COFFEE, WITH A CAP BECAUSE I I SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO SPEAK TO HER REMEMBER.
ROB FALK: YA KNOW AND THAT'S THAT'S FINE YOU CAN REACH OUT TO LATOYA BY EMAIL.
ROB FALK: YOU CAN REACH OUT TO ME BY EMAIL AND I'LL CONNECT YOU WITH YOU KNOW SHE'S A VERY OPEN MINDED.
ROB FALK: PERSON AND AND IT IS GOOD TO TALK TO HER.
ROB FALK: OKAY, I IT'S HARD FOR ME TO ANSWER WHAT HER TRUE FEELINGS WERE ALONG THE WAY.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT I'LL REACH OUT TO YOU THEN GET HER.
ROB FALK: AND THAT'S FINE I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MAKE THE CONNECTION.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: OKAY, THANK YOU.
GUY DEMPSEY: THERE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS ON THE INDUSTRY NEWSLETTER.
COREY STARK: AND, AS HER HAND UP.
GUY DEMPSEY: SORRY.
UM.
AMANDA YANNETT: SO A FEW A FEW THOUGHTS ON THAT UM.
AMANDA YANNETT: THE FIRST IDEA IS.
AMANDA YANNETT: I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO OVERSTEP THE COMMITTEE WITH POLICE OFFICERS, HOWEVER, EVEN IN HER OWN LETTER SHE ASKS US, AM I, ALL OF A SUDDEN, NO LONGER BLACK BECAUSE I WEAR A BLUE UNIFORM.
AMANDA YANNETT: SO SHE'S NOT JUST A POLICE OFFICER AND SHE'S NOT JUST BLACK.
AMANDA YANNETT: SHE'S TALKING ABOUT BOTH OF YOUR IDENTITIES HERE UM AND IT'S, AND SO THIS IS A COMMITTEE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO FOCUS ON THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PEOPLE OF COLOR AND.
AMANDA YANNETT: POLICE OFFICERS THAT'S THE REASON WHY THIS WAS FORMED OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT OUR ONLY FOCUS, BUT THAT IS A BIG FOCUS OF THE COMMITTEE, AND SO, IN ADDITION, SHE ALSO GREW UP AND RYE SHE'S THE ONLY BLACK FEMALE OFFICER IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT EVER.
AMANDA YANNETT: SHE'S A COP AND SHE'S BLACK SHE CAN OFFER PERSPECTIVE TO US THAT NO ONE ELSE IN RIGHT CAN OFFER US NO ONE.
AMANDA YANNETT: BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE ELSE IN RIDE THAT GREW UP AND RIGHT IS BLACK AND AS A COP, FOR THE RIOT POLICE DEPARTMENT, I THINK, HER PERSPECTIVE.
AMANDA YANNETT: WOULD HAVE BEEN SO VALUABLE TO HAVE ON THIS COMMITTEE, WHATEVER HER OPINION WAS.
AMANDA YANNETT: WHETHER SHE COMPLETELY DISAGREED WITH ANYTHING I EVER SAID, I WANT TO HEAR FROM HER WHETHER SHE AGREED WITH EVERYTHING I WANT TO HEAR FROM HER THE POINT IS SHE DESERVED TO HAVE THE SPACE ON OUR COMMITTEE TO SHARE WHATEVER SHE WANTED TO SHARE AND.
AMANDA YANNETT: I I FEEL.
AMANDA YANNETT: I FEEL LIKE SHE WAS KIND OF SILENCE, IN THAT SENSE, BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY, OUR SUBCOMMITTEE HAD ASKED TO REACH OUT TO HER, I MEAN INGRAM JUST SAID SHE HAD ALSO ASKED TO REACH OUT TO HER AND.
AMANDA YANNETT: AND THAT NEVER HAPPENED SO SO IT SEEMS LIKE IN A WAY I'M OFFICER LATOYA WAS SILENCE IN A WAY, AND THAT MAKES ME WORRIED THAT WE'RE SILENCING PEOPLE.
AMANDA YANNETT: THAT WANT TO SPEAK TO US AND AND WHO THEN ARE WE SILENCING PEOPLE THAT WE HISTORICALLY HAVE SILENCED OR PEOPLE THAT AND I MEAN WE WE ALSO SAW WITH.
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AMANDA YANNETT: A MEMBER THAT SPOKE OUT ON THE PUBLIC LISTENING SESSION AFTER SHE SHARED HER VIEW WAS PUBLICLY. AMANDA YANNETT: KIND OF ASKED TO APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT SHE SAID SO, BUT WE'RE A COMMITTEE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO LISTEN TO EVERY VIEWPOINT.
AMANDA YANNETT: SO WE SHOULDN'T BE SLAMMING PEOPLE BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY SAY WE SHOULDN'T BE SILENCING PEOPLE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, THE POINT IS, WE NEED TO GIVE THEM A SPACE WHERE THEY CAN EXPRESS WHATEVER THEY WANT TO EXPRESS UM.
AMANDA YANNETT: AND ALSO, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE ALSO HAVE ONE BLACK PERSON ON THIS ENTIRE COMMITTEE.
AMANDA YANNETT: I THINK IT WOULD HAVE ALSO BEEN VERY VALUABLE IN THAT SENSE TO ALSO JUST HAVE ANOTHER REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE BLACK COMMUNITY ON OUR COMMITTEE, I FEEL I FEEL I ALSO JUST FEEL LIKE THIS CONNECTS TO OUR TRANSPARENCY ISSUE OF HOW WE WEREN'T AWARE THAT SHE EVEN WANTED TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE.
AMANDA YANNETT: ON THERE.
ROB FALK: UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T RAISE MY HAND, BUT I KNOW IT WAS UP.
TED LIVINGSTON: HEY WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO SAY I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING AMANDA SAID, I AM NOT PREPARED TO SAY THAT ANYONE INTENTIONALLY SILENCED LATOYA IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A MISTAKE WAS MADE, I THINK THIS COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE BEEN FAR RICHER FAR MORE.
TED LIVINGSTON: EDUCATED AND JUST WOULD HAVE HAD A BETTER ORAL OVERALL EXPERIENCE WITH HER ON THIS COMMITTEE, SO I SHARE ALMOST EVERYTHING AMANDA SAID I JUST I I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS NOT AN INTENTIONAL SLIGHT OR INTENTIONAL ACT OF SILENCING ANYONE, I THINK IT WAS A MISTAKE.
AMANDA YANNETT: AND I SAID I HOPE IT WASN'T INTENTIONAL.
AMANDA YANNETT: THAT'S OBVIOUSLY MY HOPE I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER STILL GIVING OFFICER LATOYA A PLACE TO SHARE WHATEVER SHE WANTS TO SHARE, I UNDERSTAND THAT OUR APRIL 1 DEADLINE IS SUPER SOON AND WE NEED TO GET THESE RECOMMENDATIONS OUT.
AMANDA YANNETT: TODAY UM, BUT I STILL THINK SHE NEEDS SHE DESERVES THE SPACE TO SPEAK.
TED LIVINGSTON: AND I'M GOING TO ADD THIS TO YOU KNOW I CONTINUALLY HEAR HER NAME MENTIONED.
TED LIVINGSTON: AS AMONG THE BEST POLICE OFFICERS ON ARE FORCED TO SO NOT ONLY DOES SHE FIT THE YOU KNOW DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OR WHATEVER, BUT SHE'S A REALLY GOOD COP AS WELL, AND THAT SHOULD ALSO GO INTO THE EQUATION, SINCE SO MUCH OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH POLICE WORK AND REVIEWING IT SO.
TED LIVINGSTON: LET'S.
COREY STARK: CAN I CAN I JUST SAY TO TRY TO RESOLVE THIS.
COREY STARK: I RECOMMEND THAT WE INVITE WHOEVER WHOEVER MAKES THE INVITATIONS THAT THIS OFFICER BE PUT ON THE COMMUNITY BOARD.
COREY STARK: TO MONITOR WHAT'S GOING ON, SO SHE WILL HAVE I, I AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT THAT SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED PREVIOUSLY AND I UNDERSTAND THE CIRCUMSTANCES BEHIND WHY SHE WASN'T BUT LET'S LET'S INCLUDE HER IN THE FUTURE.
BEN STACKS: I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA COREY.
ROB FALK: YEAH I'LL GO FORWARD AND AMANDA YOU MAKE SOME VERY GOOD POINTS, AND YOU KNOW WE WOULD ALL WIN EVERY FOOTBALL GAME, IF WE CAN PLAY IT THE NEXT DAY AND GET EVERYTHING PERFECTLY THE WAY WE WOULD WANT IT.
ROB FALK: BUT IN DEFENSE OF THE OTHER OFFICES HERE, THERE WAS SEVERAL NUMEROUS OFFICERS, I WOULD BRING A VERY UNIQUENESS THAT ITS ENTIRE COMMITTEE BUT AT WHAT POINT DO YOU DRIVE AND MAKE THINGS SO THEY'RE.
ROB FALK: BALANCED.
ROB FALK: YOU KNOW I HAVE OFFICER FOTI EXPLAINED A HUGE INTEREST IN BEING A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE AND I'M SURE HE HAS SOME GOOD POINTS OF VIEW THAT WILL GO FORWARD, ALONG WITH OTHER FEMALE MALE OFFICERS WHITE HISPANIC AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
ROB FALK: BUT I THINK A CONVERSATION WITH LEAD PLAYER WOULD GET HONEST ANSWERS FROM LEAD BELIEVE HOW SHE FELT AND THAT'S THE BEST COURSE TO TAKE ME GIVING YOU ANSWERS FOR LOOK BOYS FEELING.
ROB FALK: ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.
AMANDA YANNETT: YEAH AND I HEAR THAT COMMISSIONER FUCK I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY OTHER PEOPLE DON'T HAVE UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, I MEAN WE ALL BRING SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO THE TABLE, EVEN JUST AMONGST OURSELVES THAT ARE HERE ON THIS CALL UM.
AMANDA YANNETT: I MY POINT, THOUGH, IS IS THAT SHE DOES HAVE A VERY UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE BEING FROM RIGHT BEING BLACK BEING A FEMALE AND BEING A COP.
AMANDA YANNETT: AND SO THAT'S MORE OF MY POINT I DON'T THINK I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THE OTHER OFFICERS WOULDN'T BRING SOMETHING UNIQUE TO THE TABLE UM I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE MISUNDERSTOOD AND.
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AMANDA YANNETT: I JUST AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT, LIKE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A MISTAKE. AMANDA YANNETT: AND IN REGARDS TO THE FOOTBALL COMMENT.
AMANDA YANNETT: I JUST VIEW THIS AS SOMETHING THAT MY PERSONAL OPINION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT THAT LIKE, ESPECIALLY SINCE TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS ASKED TO SPEAK TO HER AND THAT DIDN'T EVEN HAPPEN, SO I JUST VIEW IT AS SOMETHING THAT LIKE.
AMANDA YANNETT: WE COULD HAVE PREVENTED FROM GETTING TO THIS POINT THAT'S ALL.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: I JUST THINK THAT YOU KNOW IN JAMIE AND I RECOMMENDATIONS ALL ABOUT THE COMMUNITY WITH THE COP AND COFFEE WITH THE COMP I STILL THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT EVEN GO ON BEYOND.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: APRIL 1 SO WHENEVER WE END THIS THIS THIS LITTLE COMMITTEE HERE I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF ROB BECAUSE, ALTHOUGH WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT ROB BEING LOW MAYBERRY.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: THAT'S ALL GOOD AND WELL BUT AS TIME GOES ON, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN, AND THEN TO BE A REAL COMMUNITY, WE HAVE TO BE TRANSPARENT AND JUST LOVE ONE ANOTHER MAN.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: I MEAN THAT'S HOW I PERSONALLY FEEL I MEAN I YOU KNOW YOU KNOW I'VE SAID HERE, I KNOW I CAN GET PASSIONATE I WANT TO APOLOGIZE SOMETIMES WHEN I DO LIKE MY DELTA DAY I KNOW I DIDN'T HAVE TO STRESS DEATH.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: BUT I DO I GET PASSIONATE BECAUSE THIS IS REAL STUFF GOING ON IN THE WORLD, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND THE FACT THAT I'VE LIVED HERE THIS LONG AND I NEVER SAW COLOR UNTIL NOW YOU GUYS HAVE HELPED ME SEE COLOR, CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT I WENT TO MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL AND I NEVER SAW COLOR SO WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PROBLEM.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: I MEAN, I WANT YOU GUYS TO TALK TO ME DON'T, LET ME JUST TALK.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: YOU GET WHERE I'M GOING, AND THIS IS ALL FROM MY HEART, BELIEVE ME, I'M NOT FUSSING I'M NOT POINTING FINGERS THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ABOUT I WASN'T RAISED LIKE THAT EITHER.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND ON, AND THIS IS WHY I'M SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE RAISE OUR CHILDREN CORRECT OF WHAT WE'RE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE US ONE DAY ON THE SCREEN, MAYBE LIKE THIS, MAYBE ON THE MOON, I DON'T KNOW.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: YOU KNOW, BUT ONE OF MY PARENTS THIS MORNING AND TOLD ME ABOUT HOW A HIGH SCHOOL HER LITTLE SIXTH GRADER FIFTH GRADER WHITE BOY HIT THEM IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD AND CALL HIM A NIGGA THIS WEEK.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: NOW YOU CAN SEE HOW I CAN GET PASSIONATE RIGHT I DON'T WANT NOTHING LIKE THAT HAPPENED HERE MY GRANDDAUGHTER'S A SIXTH GRADE AND AROUND MIDDLE SCHOOL SHE WAS REMOTE SHE'S GONNA DO HER LAST.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: QUARTER IN THE SCHOOL, YOU KNOW I'M NERVOUS RIGHT NOW.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: I TALKED TO HER JUST THE OTHER DAY.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND TODAY, I DON'T NEED TO BE NERVOUS BECAUSE SHE'S AS TALL, AS I AM AND SHE'S ONLY 12.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: BUT PERCEPTIONS I'M NOT PLAYING I DON'T FEEL I HAVE TO PROTECT MY OWN TO JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS COMMUNITY, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF MY SKIN.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: SO I'M NOT JUST PLEASE DON'T TAKE ME AS BEING THE RADICAL BLACK ANGRY WOMAN, I HOPE, NONE OF YOU I'LL DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ME.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: BUT I AM GOING TO SPEAK MY MIND AND I I THINK AMANDA FOR SAYING WHAT SHE'S SAYING, BECAUSE.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF THE COFFEE WITH THE COP THING I THOUGHT WAS A GREAT THING BECAUSE WE AS A COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND AND AND AND ROB YOU MENTIONED.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: MAYBE WE COULD GO TO THE REC SOCIALLY DISTANCE GET A CUP OF JOE GET SOME DUNKIN DONUTS A BOX A DUNKIN DONUTS AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA THAT'S ALL.
ROB FALK: AND THEN.
ROB FALK: I'LL GET THE COFFEE I'M NOT ALLOWED.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: IF WE COULD ALL ON THE SCREEN MEET LIKE IT'S I MEAN WE HAVE TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION GOING AFTER THIS LESSON I'M SAYING ABOUT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND EVERYTHING THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING OKAY.
LISA DOMINICI: THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
LISA DOMINICI: INGRAM AND THINK AMANDA AND TED AND KOREAN AND EVERYONE ELSE, I THINK.
LISA DOMINICI: WELL, I KNOW I'M JOSH ONCE.
JOSH COHN: RAISING YOUR HAND, YES, JUST JUST ONE THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT.
JOSH COHN: ON THIS COMMITTEE, MOST OF YOU ARE RECRUITS HOWEVER, THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE WHO APPROACHED ME, WHO ASKED ME IF THEY COULD BE ON THE COMMITTEE OR BOTH ON THE COMMITTEE.
JOSH COHN: I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT.
LISA DOMINICI: SO I THINK IT WAS YOU KNOW.
LISA DOMINICI: VERY UNFORTUNATE MISSED OPPORTUNITY AND, IN FACT, EVEN IN RETROSPECT, I THINK, FOR ALL OF US NOT TO HAVE EVEN THOUGHT.
LISA DOMINICI: THAT THERE WAS A BLACK FEMALE POLICE OFFICER IN THE FOREST AND NOT UNLIKE SMITTY THAT WOULDN'T HAVE KIND OF RAISED A FLAG FOR US LIKE KIND OF YOU KNOW I'M.
LISA DOMINICI: NOT HAPPY ABOUT THAT, I MEAN I HAVE THAT I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT, FIVE MONTHS AGO, SO.
LISA DOMINICI: I THINK THAT IS CRUCIAL THAT THERE'S AN INVITATION FOR HER TO BE ON THE POLICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND FOR DOING THE OUTPUT OF THIS COMMITTEE IS FOR THAT CONTINUED DIALOGUE HONEST TRANSPARENT, YOU KNOW FACE TO FACE DIALOGUE SO THAT HAS TO BE.
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LISA DOMINICI: A VERY SERIOUS OUTPUT OF THIS COMMITTEE, OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE SPINNING OUR WHEELS. LISA DOMINICI: SO UNLESS ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING MORE AT THIS TIME, I THINK WE SHOULD PROGRESS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT ANYONE ELSE, LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING.
LISA DOMINICI: OKAY.
LISA DOMINICI: OKAY, GREAT AND ROB IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE HAND RAISING FUNCTION JUST RAISE YOUR HAND AND WE CAN SEE IT OKAY.
ROB FALK: THANKS LISA I'M ACTUALLY GONNA COME BACK.
ROB FALK: AND SEE IF SHE CAN FIX THAT FOR ME.
LISA DOMINICI: YEAH I'M GABE COULDN'T BEFORE EITHER SO.
LISA DOMINICI: OKAY GUY BACK TO YOU.
GUY DEMPSEY: ALRIGHT, SO I THINK THE.
GUY DEMPSEY: TWO IMMEDIATE ISSUES WHERE THE CARRY OVER IS FROM THE LAST CONVERSATION VINCE I DON'T THINK HAS BEEN ABLE TO JOIN THE CONVERSATION BUT.
LISA DOMINICI: HE'S ON RIGHT NOW.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO ESSENTIALLY VINCENT COREY WE'RE.
GUY DEMPSEY: GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT.
GUY DEMPSEY: BOTH THE WHISTLEBLOWER AND ANY AFFILIATION POLICY RECOMMENDATION AND ABOUT THE CHOCO RECOMMENDATION CAN WONDER IF BOTH OF US SUMMARIZE THE CONVERSATION GO AHEAD.
COREY STARK: I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT VINCE YOU CAN TELL ME IF I'M MISCHARACTERIZING SOMETHING WE SPOKE YESTERDAY.
COREY STARK: I THINK WE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION.
COREY STARK: I THINK WE'VE WE'VE REACHED IN ACCORD WITH RESPECT TO THE ANTI RETALIATION WHAT VINCE DID WAS HE PROVIDED ME WITH LEGISLATIVE HISTORY WITH RESPECT TO.
COREY STARK: THE STATUTE THAT HE WAS REFERRING TO THE CIVIL SERVICE LAW AND WHAT I SAID IS I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT WOULDN'T BE APPLICABLE TO ALL.
COREY STARK: CONDUCT THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT AND WHAT HE SAID IS, WE CAN RESOLVE THAT BY MAKING HAVING THE.
COREY STARK: CITY OF RYAN MAKE AN AFFIRMATIVE STATEMENT OR AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OR ADMISSION THAT IT DOES APPLY AND THEREFORE WOULD BE PROTECTED AND THAT SATISFACTORY TO ME, SO WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS, WE HAVE A STATEMENT THAT.
COREY STARK: OFFICERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO REPORT DISPROPORTIONATE CONDUCT TREATMENT AND OR IMPACT ON PERSON IS DUE TO RACE, SEX NATIONAL ORIGIN, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, GENDER IDENTITY RELIGION DISABILITY AND OR PERCEPTION OF MEMBERSHIP IN ANY SUCH GROUP, A RECOGNITION THAT.
COREY STARK: THAT THE ANTI RETALIATION PROVISIONS IN THIS CIVIL SERVICE LAW WOULD PROTECT SOMEONE WHO MADE A COMPLAINT AND THEN AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT BY THIS, THE CITY HAVE ARRIVED THAT CONDUCT OR A COMPLAINT WOULD BE PROTECTED, WOULD BE A PROTECTED COMPLAINT AND THAT THAT WORKS FOR ME.
GUY DEMPSEY: VERY GOOD DID EITHER OF YOU TAKE A CRACK AT READING THAT DOWN.
COREY STARK: I WILL, I WILL I'M SORRY I WAS TIED UP ALL DAY YESTERDAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND I WILL THAT'S.
GREAT TODAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: ALRIGHT, BUT THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WELL THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE HAVE A VIEW THEY WANT TO EXPRESS ABOUT THAT POTENTIAL RESOLUTION.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO WE WOULD NOT EAT INSTITUTING OUR OWN POLICIES, BUT WE WOULD HAVE THE RECOMMEND THE CITY OF RYE.
GUY DEMPSEY: PUT OUT A NOTICE TO CITY EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING POLICE.
GUY DEMPSEY: ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THE EXISTING LAW.
COREY STARK: SO, ADDING AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT WOULD APPLY TO A COMPLAINT LIKE THIS, SO IT WOULD BE THERE WOULD BE NO ARGUMENT THAT IT DOESN'T APPLY, SO THE PROTECTION WOULD BE THERE.
GUY DEMPSEY: OKAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S.
GUY DEMPSEY: GOING TO BE OKAY, WITH THE REST OF THE GROUP OKAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO, THEN THE NEXT TOPIC WAS THE CHOKEHOLD AND I THINK THE THE MAJOR QUESTION WAS WHETHER THERE'S A.
GUY DEMPSEY: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE AND WHAT THIS THE STATE LAW PROVIDES.
COREY STARK: RIGHT SO I'M NOT INSENSITIVE TO THE CONCERN THAT IF WE MAKE SOMETHING THAT'S TOO RESTRICTIVE, THAT OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS WILL WANT TO COME TO RIGHT AND THAT WAS NOT THE INTENTION.
COREY STARK: VINCE AND I DISCUSSED A DEFENSE TACTICS INSTRUCTOR ON STAFF, I WROTE TO GABE TO ASK IF SUCH IN DEFENSE TACTICS INSTRUCTOR EXISTS, AND HE TOLD ME HE WAS TIED UP AND COULDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION SO COMMISSIONER FOX IT TO SUCH AN INSTRUCTOR EXIST.
ROB FALK: I BELIEVE THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES, IF YOU GIVE ME A MOMENT I'LL ABOVE THE WHOLE AND CONFIRM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE SEVERAL.
COREY STARK: OKAY, AND WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT WHAT I WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS THAT.
COREY STARK: THERE BE SO THE ARGUMENT IS IT'S AGAINST THE LAW TO ENGAGE IN ANY KIND OF RESTRICTIVE.
COREY STARK: HOLD SIR HOLDS IT RESTRICT BREATHING AND GAVE DESCRIBED IN INTERNAL POLICY, ABOUT WHEN SOMEONE'S HANDCUFFED IN THERE, I BELIEVE HE DESCRIBED IT AS RESUSCITATED AFTER THAT.
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COREY STARK: AND THE ONLY THING THAT WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO IS RESTATE THAT THAT IS THE INTERNAL POLICY OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEN REQUIRE. COREY STARK: QUARTERLY TRAINING ON THAT POLICY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
COREY STARK: ANY PROBLEMS ON THAT AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED A QUESTION WHETHER THERE'S A DEFENSE TACTICS INSTRUCTOR ON STAFF, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WILL RESULT IN SOME OVERTIME.
COREY STARK: BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD USE OF MIKE.
GUY DEMPSEY: I'M NOT SURE I FULLY FOLLOW THAT THAT RECOMMENDATION.
COREY STARK: SO WHAT WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS IF WE HAVE THE INSTRUCTORS ON STAFF SO QUARTERLY INSTRUCTIONS OF TWO POLICE OFFICERS ON THE POLICY THAT ONCE SOMEONE'S HANDCUFFED THEY NEED TO BE RESUSCITATED.
COREY STARK: IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE INTERNAL POLICY OF THE RIOT POLICE DEPARTMENT SO TRAINING ON HOW TO.
COREY STARK: HANDCUFF AND RECESSIVE STATE TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE'S BREATHING IS RESTRICTED AND WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THE ARGUMENT IS SINCE THAT EXISTS THERE WOULD BE REGULAR TRAINING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S REINFORCED AND THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS ON UNDERSTAND HOW TO DO IT.
GUY DEMPSEY: I'M WONDERING WHETHER WE'RE GETTING FAR TOO DEEP INTO THE WEEDS WHERE THE PROFESSIONALS CAN DETERMINE WHEN ADDITIONAL TRAINING IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT.
GUY DEMPSEY: WITH RESPECT TO THEIR OWN INTERNAL POLICIES AND HAVING A RECOMMENDATION AT THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL IS DEFINITELY DIFFERENT THAN MANY OF THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MAKING TODAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: OR CONSIDERING.
GUY DEMPSEY: ANY THOUGHTS.
LISA DOMINICI: I'M JUST GONNA SAY TED AND GREG BOTH HAVE THEIR HANDS.
GUY DEMPSEY: YEAH GO AHEAD, A TECH FIRST.
TED LIVINGSTON: ON.
TED LIVINGSTON: MY CONCERN COREY AND I GET EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND I RESPECT WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
TED LIVINGSTON: ANYTIME WE RESTATE THE LAW AND USE DIFFERENT TERMINOLOGY, IT CREATES A WHOLE HOST OF PROBLEMS, THE LAWS ARE ON THE BOOK, SO I HAVE NO OBJECTION IF YOU WANT TO IF THIS COMMITTEE SIMPLY WANTS TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT.
TED LIVINGSTON: THAT RIGHT POLICE DEPARTMENTS GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE NEWLY ENACTED STATUTES RELATING TO CHOKE HOLDS AND THE USE OF FORCE, AS CONTAINED IN.
TED LIVINGSTON: WITH A LITANY OF STATUTE SECTIONS OKAY, WHEN WE START TO DEVIATE US TERMS OF ART THAT AREN'T IN THE LAW THAT'S WHERE YOU CAUSE CONFUSION.
TED LIVINGSTON: THERE IS NO AND I, I AGREE WITH SOMETHING GUYS SAID ABOUT GETTING TOO DEEP YOU KNOW TOO DEEP INTO THIS, BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY.
TED LIVINGSTON: GOVERNOR CUOMO WANTS 500 POLICE DEPARTMENTS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAVE IN NEW YORK STATE TO START RESTATING THE LAW, AS CONTAINED IN SECTION 131 AND CPL SECTION 35.
TED LIVINGSTON: THAT WILL DO NOTHING BUT CAUSE MASS CHAOS CAUSE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN HARRISON PORCHESTER RYAN WHEN THEY COME INTO RYAN.
TED LIVINGSTON: ALL SORTS OF ISSUES AND, AS WE ALL KNOW, A POLICE OFFICER HAS ABOUT A HALF A SECOND TO RESPOND TO A SITUATION SO TO FURTHER CLUTTER HIS MIND WITH WHETHER OR NOT HE'S.
TED LIVINGSTON: IT'S IT'S DANGEROUS IT'S NOT REALLY WHERE WE SHOULD BE GOING AS A COMMITTEE, BUT IF PEOPLE FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT WE SHOULD.
TED LIVINGSTON: ALL I SAY IS LET'S TAKE STEPS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW AS IT EXISTS IN A STATE, BECAUSE THESE ISSUES WERE ALL ADDRESSED AND THE LEGISLATURE SPENT GOD KNOWS HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF HOURS WITH EXPERTS TESTIFYING BEFORE THE STATE IS SAID.
COREY STARK: CAN I STOP YOU FOR ONE SECOND I'M SORRY I DON'T WANT TO RESTATE THE LAW SO IF I IF I WASN'T CLEAR WHAT I WANT IS TO AVOID SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS TRAINING, SO IF WE'VE GOT A.
TED LIVINGSTON: TRAINING SO HE'S GREAT.
COREY STARK: YEAH THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS REGULAR TRAINING FROM A DEFENSE TACTICS INSTRUCTOR SO THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE WELL AWARE OF WHAT THE PROCEDURES ARE WHAT THEY CAN DO AND WHAT THEY CAN DO AND HOW TO DO IT AND THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING GUEST.
GUY DEMPSEY: GREG.
ROB FALK: I'M SORRY GUY.
ROB FALK: GOOD GUY I JUST HAVE SOME ANSWERS FOR PEOPLE.
GUY DEMPSEY: LET'S GO WITH GREG FIRST SO HE'S BEEN WAITING.
GREG USRY: OKAY, I WAS, I GUESS, I WAS JUST GOING TO SIMPLY SUGGEST THAT WE GO MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE REST REST OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND IF, IN FACT, OR KNOWING, IN FACT, THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TOPIC FOR THE COMMITTEE.
GREG USRY: A AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THAT AND FURTHER A AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OR RECOMMENDATION.
GREG USRY: AS PART OF ALL OF OUR TRAINING THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW THIS IS PART OF WHAT POLICE OFFICER TRAINING FOR THE RIDE PT IS IS SUPPOSED TO INCLUDE.
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GREG USRY: BUT I I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF PRESCRIBING, IT HAS TO BE QUARTERLY OR ANYTHING ELSE JUST THAT WE DON'T DO FOR FOR ANY OF OUR OTHER OUR OTHER. GREG USRY: TRAINING PURPOSES, BUT IF THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OR RECOGNITION BY COMMISSION OR FALSE THAT THIS WILL BE, YOU KNOW, A PART OF AN OFFICERS, TRAINING, THEN I MEAN I THINK THAT'S BEING DONE IT'S REDUNDANT, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM TO RESTATE IT.
GUY DEMPSEY: ROB I THINK YOU'RE UP.
ROB FALK: BUT JUST QUICKLY GETTING BACK TO CORY UP RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THREE CERTIFIED DEFENSIVE TACTICS INSTRUCTORS WITH ANOTHER FOURTH OFFICER.
ROB FALK: BEING PUT FORWARD, BUT PROBABLY MUCH TO WHAT TED SAID IS I WOULD STAY AWAY FROM DICTATING.
ROB FALK: YOU KNOW, LIKE QUARTERLY TYPE TRAINING WHEN WE'RE DOING SHIFT WORK AND STUFF.
ROB FALK: AND EVEN IN YOUR TRAINING SOME OF THAT TRAINING, IN OTHER WORDS, SOMEBODY PHYSICALLY RESTRAINED BY US AND THE CORRECT WORD IS NOT SUSTAINABLE RECOVERY.
ROB FALK: OR PUT INTO A RECOVERY MODE AND RUN OUT, BUT THAT'S CLINTON SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS OF OUR TRAINING, IT COULD BE GOING IN FIREARMS IT'S GOING TO BE TAUGHT IN DEFENSIVE TACTICS, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING FIRST DATE.
ROB FALK: WHEN WE HAVE A PERSON HAS SUFFERED A DRUG OVERDOSE AND THERE'S BEEN A TROUBLE WITH THEM BREATHING AND THEY ADMINISTER NARCAN ARE ALSO PUT INTO A RECOVERY MODE SO SOME OF OUR TRAINING IS INTERTWINED AND TO START DICTATING WHEN AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IS IS CAN BE BECOME COSTLY.
ROB FALK: BUT YOU KNOW WE'RE PRETTY PRETTY WELL TRAINED DEPARTMENT, WE SPEND A LOT OF HOURS TRAINING WE'RE NOT AFRAID OF IT WE EMBRACE IT, SO I WOULD JUST MAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT EASIER BEFORE WITHOUT NAILING OH YOU'RE GOING TO DO 16 AND A HALF HOURS OF SOME CERTAIN TYPE OF TRAINING.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND WE DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS THAT OUR CPD SHOULD CONTINUE TO IMPROVE AND ENHANCE THE EDUCATION OF TRAINING AND OFFICERS.
GUY DEMPSEY: TO INCLUDE BEST PRACTICES USED BY FEDERAL STATE AND OTHER LOCAL POLICE AUTHORITIES AS ADAPTED FOR I COMMUNITY CIRCUMSTANCES AND NEEDS AND WE'VE MENTIONED SOME SPECIFIC AREAS USE OF FORCE RACIAL SENSITIVITY DE ESCALATION, WHICH WERE A PARTICULAR IMPORTANCE TO THIS COMMITTEE.
GUY DEMPSEY: IF IF YOU SHOULD FORCE DOESN'T COVER WHAT SINS CURRENT 16 ABOUT CHOKE HOLDS, BUT I THINK IT MAY BE DOES A WONDER IF IF.
GUY DEMPSEY: YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS SIX ISN'T SUFFICIENT TO CONVEY THE SENSE OF THE COMMITTEE WITHOUT ADDING THE ADDITIONAL DETAILS THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED BY COREY.
TED LIVINGSTON: GUY, I GUESS, I THINK I THINK IT MIGHT IF YOU WANT TO BE.
TED LIVINGSTON: ALL INCLUSIVE, YOU WOULD SAY USE OF FORCE USE OF DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE IT'S ANOTHER TERM OF ART, SO IF YOU WANTED TO ADD THAT THAT WOULD CERTAINLY COVER IT ALL.
COREY STARK: OR ALSO YOU KNOW THE LANGUAGE THAT COMMISSIONER FOCKERS USE, RECOVERY RECOVERY SHOULD BE IN THERE AS WELL, I THINK.
COREY STARK: I JUST WANT TO POINT SOMETHING OUT, I MEAN THERE ARE SOME LAWYERS ON THE ON THE CALL I'VE GOT TO DO CLA REQUIREMENTS EVERY YEAR CONTINUING LEGAL EDUCATION AND THEY DELINEATE EXACTLY WHAT I NEED TO DO SO, I HAVE TO DO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ETHICS.
COREY STARK: AND THE REASON THAT I BROUGHT THIS UP AS MY CONVERSATION WITH VINCE YESTERDAY AND VINCE TELL ME IF I'M GETTING IT WRONG.
COREY STARK: IS VINCE WAS ASKING ME WHETHER THERE'S A DEFENSE TACTICS INSTRUCTOR ON STAFF AND WE WERE DISCUSSING HOW OFTEN THIS TRAINING OCCURRED.
COREY STARK: AND WHAT HE SAID TO ME, IS SOMETIMES THE PROBLEM WITH THIS TRAINING IS IT REQUIRES OVER TIME AND IT ISN'T IT THE TRAINING ISN'T GIVEN AS I UNDERSTOOD IT AS MUCH AS WE MIGHT LIKE.
COREY STARK: AND YOU KNOW VINCE WASN'T SAYING THAT'S TRUE WITH OUR DEPARTMENT WHAT HE WAS SAYING IS THAT THAT IS AN ISSUE IS HOW OFTEN IS THIS TRAINING GIVEN BECAUSE IT MAY REQUIRE SOME OVERTIME.
COREY STARK: I PERSONALLY, AS A CITIZEN OF THE CITY OF RYAN, A TAXPAYER AND HAPPY TO SEE.
COREY STARK: MY TAX DOLLARS GO TO ADDITIONAL TRAINING TO MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMEONE IS I MEAN A LOT OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS HOW DIFFICULT, IS IT TO GET SOMEONE IN HANDCUFFS.
COREY STARK: AND THEN, WHAT YOU DO WITH THEM AFTERWARDS AND HOW MANY PROBLEMS HAVE WE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE A SPECIFIC AND SPECIAL FOCUS ON TRAINING, LIKE THAT IS IMPORTANT.
COREY STARK: AM I AM I MARRIED TO THE IDEA OF DOING IT QUARTERLY NO, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE REGULAR AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS PRIORITIZED.
GUY DEMPSEY: EVENTS YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP.
VINCE TOOMEY: I DO.
VINCE TOOMEY: WHAT COREY SAID IS ACCURATELY REFLECTS WHAT WE DISCUSSED YESTERDAY, BUT I AFTER WE FINISHED SOMEWHAT LATE IN THE EVENING.
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VINCE TOOMEY: I WAS REMINDED OF SOMETHING I BELIEVE, LIKE THE CLA REQUIREMENTS THAT COREY JUST MENTIONED FOR LAWYERS. VINCE TOOMEY: THE NEW STATE OF NEW YORK DOES REQUIRE CERTAIN TYPES OF ANNUAL TRAINING, I KNOW ONE IS FIRING ROOMS AND I DEFINITELY WOULD DEFER TO MR FOX ON THIS.
VINCE TOOMEY: BUT I THOUGHT DEFENSIVE TACTICS TRAINING WAS REQUIRED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS IF IF IT IS THAT REASONS TO ISSUES NUMBER ONE STATE LAW HAS.
VINCE TOOMEY: SET THE PARAMETER THAT IT MUST BE TAUGHT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS IF BRONCOS THE ANSWER TO THAT.
VINCE TOOMEY: AND IF THAT IS WHAT IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW, OF COURSE, RIGHT GO BEYOND THAT IT COULDN'T GO BELOW THAT THRESHOLD, SO I WONDER IF THE COMMISSIONER CAN EITHER ANSWER THAT OR CHECK WITH A.
VINCE TOOMEY: DEFENSIVE TACTICS INSTRUCTOR TO SEE IF MY RECOLLECTION MIGHT BE CORRECT ON IT THAT THAT IS REQUIRED, AS PART OF THE ANNUAL TRAINING FOR POLICE OFFICERS.
ROB FALK: I'M NOT SURE ON DEFENSIVE TACTICS I'LL TAKE A MOMENT AND.
ROB FALK: US WITH LIEUTENANT CRAIG WHO HANDLES THE TRAINING ASPECTS FOR THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT AND FIND OUT QUICK LIST OF WHAT THE STATE MANDATED IT DEFINITELY IS FIREARMS. ROB FALK: IT'S I BELIEVE USE OF FORCE ARTICLE 35 POLICY USE A DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE THOSE ARE THE STATES MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR ACCREDITATION THERE'S ANOTHER LIST OF REQUIREMENTS THAT.
ROB FALK: IT GOES DOWN, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE FIRST AID OPERATIONS PATROL VEHICLE I'M NOT SURE, BUT I WILL TRY TO GATHER THAT BEFORE THE END OF THE MEETING.
LISA DOMINICI: THANK YOU WE'VE ACTUALLY WE HAD REQUESTED THIS COMMITTEE HAD REQUESTED A LIST OF TRAINING.
LISA DOMINICI: A COUPLE TIMES SO WE WOULD STILL LIKE THAT LIST OF THE TRAINING BOTH AVAILABLE AND THEN WHAT'S REQUIRED FROM A QUARTERLY OR ANNUAL OR HOWEVER LONG YOU KNOW REQUIRED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO STILL GET THAT INFORMATION.
BEN STACKS: UM JEN JEN KEEPS RAISING HER HAND I'M SORRY.
JENN BOYLE: IT WAS BEFORE YOU EXTEND OR THANK YOU BEN NOW SORRY FOR SOME REASON I DON'T HAVE MY RAISE HAND TODAY.
JENN BOYLE: HAS APPEARED.
LISA DOMINICI: ON OUR PART.
JENN BOYLE: AS, AS YOU ALL WERE TALKING, I WONDER, SO BACK TO LISA'S POINT, I WONDER IF THERE SHOULDN'T BE SOME AND I THINK THERE'S I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHICH RECOMMENDATION, I KNOW, THERE WAS SOME.
JENN BOYLE: NOTATIONS OF TRYING TO INCLUDE MORE PUBLIC FACING INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE YOU KNOW REQUIRED TO DO, BASED ON STANDARDS FROM THE STATE OR OR ACCREDITATION STANDARDS, WHATEVER AND THAT THAT THAT IF WE CAN REPORT ON THAT AND HAVE THAT.
JENN BOYLE: BE AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE OR EVEN THAT THAT THERE MIGHT BE A REPORTING FUNCTION THAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE POLICE REVIEW COMMITTEE OR OR OR WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.
JENN BOYLE: TO SEE THAT THAT MIGHT BE WHERE YOU WOULD SEE A NEED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL TRAINING BASED ON WHATEVER THE EVENTS OF THE YEAR WERE.
JENN BOYLE: AND YOU KNOW, PERHAPS LIKE TWO COREYS POINT.
JENN BOYLE: YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE, IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN MORE OFTEN BASED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING, BUT I DON'T IT'S IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME IF THERE'S A FUNCTION FOR THAT.
JENN BOYLE: CURRENTLY EXISTS IT EXISTS.
LISA DOMINICI: I GAVE YOU HAVE A HAND TODAY YOU'RE UP.
GABE CAPUTO: I DO HAVE IT.
GABE CAPUTO: I'M SORRY I'M SHOCKED, WITH A CASE I'M WORKING THAT'S WHY I'M OFTEN ON THE.
GABE CAPUTO: FARMER TO FARMER OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE OF NEW YORK HAS A LIST OF ALL MINIMUM TRAINING THAT POLICE OFFICERS NEED TO GO THROUGH ON THEIR WE OFFER MORE TRAINING AND WE GET I BELIEVE MORE TRAINING AND THE MINIMUM STANDARDS, EVERY YEAR, SO I KNOW THEY DO HAVE THAT.
GABE CAPUTO: ON THAT WEBSITE, I WAS ON THERE, THE OTHER DAY, AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT TRAININGS THAT PLEASE.
GABE CAPUTO: THE.
LISA DOMINICI: IS IT ME OR IS HE BREAKING.
TED LIVINGSTON: UP NO HE'S BREAKING.
LISA DOMINICI: OKAY GAME I'M SORRY WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
GABE CAPUTO: I MIGHT BE, I MIGHT BE, I MIGHT BE BREAKING UP I'M.
LISA DOMINICI: YEAH YOU ARE, YOU ARE.
GABE CAPUTO: DC DC JS HAS.
GABE CAPUTO: THAT INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FROM A GENERIC GENERAL STANDPOINT FOR COPS.
GABE CAPUTO: UH HUH AND THEN WE WILL HAVE YOU KNOW MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ON WHAT WE ACTUALLY DO HERE IN RIGHT WHICH IS LIKE.
LISA DOMINICI: A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAINING ON CERTAIN.
TOPICS.
LISA DOMINICI: OKAY, THANK YOU.
ROB FALK: WE'RE WORKING ON COMPILING A LIST OF THE STAGE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS AND ACCREDITATIONS A MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS AND JUST TO REITERATE.
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ROB FALK: THAT WE DEFINITELY HAVE A FLEXIBLE AND AND WHAT TRAINING WE DO BACK IN. ROB FALK: 2008 AND IN THAT TIME WE DID A LOT OF SWIFT WATER RESCUE TRAINING, BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF FLOODS, WE HAD.
ROB FALK: THIS YEAR THERE'S SOME SPECIAL TRAINING WE'RE GETTING THROUGH THE COUNTY BELIEFS AND IT'S COUNTY WIDE.
ROB FALK: ON DEALING WITH THE ANTICIPATED MORE PROTESTS, THIS YEAR, MUCH LIKE WHAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH WITH THE BLACK LIVES MATTER.
ROB FALK: MARCHES, AND THEN, AS WE ALL SAW IN THE NOVEMBER ELECTION, SO THIS YEAR IS TRAINING IS GOING TO BE MORE TOWARDS THAT FOCUS RIGHT AT AT THIS AND I'M SURE, BUT THE RECENT DECISION DOWN A NURSE SHELL ON SUSPECT BEING SHOT.
ROB FALK: SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ANALYZED WHAT THE OFFICER DID DOWN THERE, AND IF THEY SEE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE MAYBE CORRECTED OR COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BETTER.
ROB FALK: THAT TRAINING WILL PROBABLY BE INCORPORATED, THROUGH THE POLICE ACADEMY SO IT'S IT'S AN EVER CHANGING PROCESS.
LISA DOMINICI: AND CAN I JUST SAY, FOR THE PURPOSES OF.
LISA DOMINICI: COREY AND THE REST OF EVERYONE COULD WE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE, COULD WE MAKE A STATEMENT OR RECOMMENDATION MAKE A STATEMENT.
LISA DOMINICI: ABOUT THE RIGHT FOOT PD YOU KNOW IS WILL COMPLY OR YOU KNOW COMPLIES AND WILL CONTINUE TO COMPLY WITH NEW YORK STATE LAW STATUES.
LISA DOMINICI: LIST THEM WHATEVER AND THEN RECOMMEND THAT THE ON THERE'S ONGOING DEFENSIVE TACTICAL TRAINING AND YOU CAN YOU SAY WE COULD RECOMMEND TO BE ANNUAL I DON'T I THINK YOU KNOW AND.
GREG USRY: LISA I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT I JUST I'M.
GREG USRY: AND THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO A POINT THAT AMANDA MADE ON ONE OF OUR SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS I'M LOOKING AT THE AT THE RIDE PDS ANNUAL REPORT THIS INCLUDED IN THE CITY'S ANNUAL REPORT.
GREG USRY: AND I REALIZED THAT.
GREG USRY: AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, THAT DOCUMENT IS HIDDEN AWAY FAR AWAY IN THE BACK OF THE OF THE WEBSITE, AND THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE EVOLVING AND CHANGING AND I'M READING FROM THE ANNUAL REPORT, OF WHICH THERE ARE FOUR PAGES ON TRAINING.
GREG USRY: OKAY, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT UNDER THE STATE ACCREDITATION FOR 21 HOURS OF ANNUAL TRAINING PER OFFICER.
GREG USRY: THE RIDE PT AVERAGES THEIR AVERAGE LAST YEAR 77 AND A HALF HOURS OF TRAINING AND THEN THERE'S A LIST OF I'M JUST LOOKING HERE ABOUT 20 GENERALIZED TOPICS THAT ARE COVERED AND I HAVEN'T TAKEN THE TIME TO LOOK THROUGH EACH ONE.
ANNE BIANCHI: RIGHT WELL I JUST I HAD SUGGESTED THAT THAT JUST BE ATTACHED AS AN ATTENDEE THEM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON THE WEB PAGE BUT WE'RE SENDING THIS AS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE STATE AND YOU WANT THEM THEY'RE GOING TO BE READING THE REPORT, SO IF YOU JUST ATTACH IT.
ANNE BIANCHI: TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT'S THAT'S REALLY ALL.
ANNE BIANCHI: THAT.
ANNE BIANCHI: NEEDS TO BE DONE.
GREG USRY: I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE POINT THAT YOU KNOW THAT WE WERE DOING A BETTER JOB OF DOING IT PROVIDING TRANSPARENCY, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A FRAME OF REFERENCE.
ANNE BIANCHI: IN TERMS OH YEAH WE KNOW IT'S ON THE WEB.
ANNE BIANCHI: PAGE, BUT WE HAVE, WE NEED TO INCLUDE IT IN THE REPORT, WELL.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK WE NEED TO BRING THIS TOPIC TO A HEAD AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF GOOD SUGGESTIONS AND COMMENTARY BACK AND FORTH, BUT I THINK.
GUY DEMPSEY: WHICH OVER SUMMARIZE IT TO SAY THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING WE FOLD RECOMMENDATION 17 ABOUT CHOKE HOLDS INTO THE MORE GENERAL RECOMMENDATION AND SIX, WHICH IS TO.
GUY DEMPSEY: WRITE POLICE COULD CONTINUE TO HAVING A ROBUST TRAINING PROGRAM BUT ENHANCE IT WITH INCORPORATING BEST PRACTICES IN THE WAY ROB JUST DESCRIBED, WHICH IS WHATEVER IS THE MOST.
GUY DEMPSEY: SIGNIFICANT CURRENT DEVELOPMENTS, WHETHER IT'S CROWD CONTROL OR WHETHER IT'S A USER FORCE AND HE'S SHOOTING IN NEW ROCHELLE THAT'S GOING TO BE REFLECTED IN THE TRAINING THAT HE SEES THAT HIS OFFICERS GET.
COREY STARK: THE ONLY THING I'LL SAY IS THAT, WHEN I WHEN I SO THIS WAS A COMPROMISE APPROACH RIGHT TO TRY TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE THAT SEEMS TO BE A DIFFICULT ISSUE WITH RESPECT TO A CHOKEHOLD.
COREY STARK: AND, AND THE SUGGESTION THAT I MADE TO START THIS IS THAT WE PAY PARTICULAR FOCUS TO.
COREY STARK: THE TRAINING THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY IN ORDER TO DO THIS PROPERLY, SO I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT, DURING A PARTICULAR YEAR THERE MIGHT BE A FOCUS ON ON A PARTICULAR AREA BUT.
COREY STARK: WHAT WE NEED TO DO, I BELIEVE, IS MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS ALWAYS A TRAINING THAT IS RECEIVED ON A REGULAR BASIS, SO WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE RESTRAINING PEOPLE IN A DANGEROUS WAY.
COREY STARK: AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT POLICE OFFICERS HAVE TO DO ALL THE TIME AND WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF ISSUES COME UP WITH PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE BEING RESTRAINED SO.
COREY STARK: I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT SOMETIMES YOU'VE GOT TO FOCUS ON FLOODING AND PROTESTS I THINK THAT'S ALL GREAT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO THIS ISSUE AND, LIKE I SAID THIS WAS AN ATTEMPT AT A COMPROMISE.
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BEN STACKS: SORRY. TED LIVINGSTON: THAT'S OKAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: THANK YOU.
TED LIVINGSTON: I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT.
TED LIVINGSTON: LOOK, WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTY WE WE HAVE ONE OF THE PREMIER LEARNING FACILITIES.
TED LIVINGSTON: THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY POLICE ACADEMY I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN THERE I'VE TAUGHT THERE IT'S PHENOMENAL AND THE TRAINING IS IS.
TED LIVINGSTON: 12 MONTHS A YEAR SEVERAL CLASSROOMS EVERYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF, IS IN THERE, THE PRIOR POLICE COMMISSIONER SPENT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO MAKE IT FIRST RATE.
TED LIVINGSTON: THERE IS NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THAT I DO AGREE WITH COREY, THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S EVOLVING.
TED LIVINGSTON: AND THE STATUTES ARE VERY RELATIVELY NEW THERE WILL BE PRECEDENT COMING OUT THEY'LL BE COURT INTERPRETATION IT'S AN AREA THAT IS CRYING OUT FOR TRAINING, SO I JUST MAYBE I'M BEING NAIVE I THINK IF WE REQUESTED THE COUNTY.
TED LIVINGSTON: WHOLE TRAINING AT THE POLICE ACADEMY OR SEND TRAINERS, TO THE RIOT POLICE DEPARTMENT, HOWEVER, YOU WANT TO DO IT, I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING AN ISSUE IN THIS AREA, I JUST WANT TO MOVE THIS ALONG I REALLY DON'T DC JS AS WELL, WILL BE PROVIDING A LOT OF TRAINING IN THIS AREA.
TED LIVINGSTON: DON'T SEE IT AS AN ISSUE I REALLY DON'T.
GUY DEMPSEY: I GAVE YOU DO, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP.
BEN STACKS: THE MAYOR'S HAD HIS HAND UP FOR A WHILE.
GABE CAPUTO: RIGHT HE'S.
GUY DEMPSEY: HE'S GOT A.
GABE CAPUTO: PURPOSE SORRY.
JOSH COHN: OKAY.
JOSH COHN: MY LITTLE YELLOW HAND FUNCTION TODAY.
YEAH.
GUY DEMPSEY: GO AHEAD JOSH.
JOSH COHN: OKAY, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO TO HELP BRING THIS TO CONCLUSION, AS I LOOK AT SIX THERE'S THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, WHICH SPEAKS, BOTH IN GENERALITIES, AND SPECIFICALLY.
JOSH COHN: AND THEN WE'VE GOT SUB PARAGRAPHS THAT SPEAK IN TERMS OF OTHER SPECIFIC TRAININGS AND I WOULD SUGGEST CONSOLIDATING THIS SECTION, SO THAT WE DO SPEAK IN THE GENERAL AND WE DO REQUIRE THE PD TO ADOPT BEST PRACTICES.
JOSH COHN: AND AND CONSTANTLY REVIEW ITS TRAINING AND THEN WE ARTICULATE THE ITEMS THAT ARE NOW MOST IMPORTANT TO US THAT THE DEPARTMENT.
JOSH COHN: HAS TO INCLUDE CONSIDERATION OF WHICH IS IS A TACTIC WE'VE USED ELSEWHERE IN THIS DOCUMENT AND THAT WE.
JOSH COHN: UNDERSTAND THAT OVER TIME, THE NAMES OF THE TRAININGS WILL CHANGE THE STYLES OF THE TRAININGS WILL CHANGE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO NEED TO CONTINUE TO ONE STAY WITH BEST PRACTICES AND TO CONTINUE TO KEEP ALIVE THE GENERAL SUBJECT CONCEPTS THAT WE'VE ARTICULATED SPECIFICALLY.
GUY DEMPSEY: I AGREE, I AGREE WITH THAT.
APPROACH.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO MAYBE WE'RE POINT, WE COULD HAVE A VOTE ON.
GUY DEMPSEY: FOLDING 17 INTO SIX AND MODIFYING SIX TO FOCUS ON THE FIRST PARAGRAPH IN IN CLOSED DROPPING OUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE UNDERLYING SUBSETS.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE ONLY AMENDMENT IN SIX WOULD BE ADDING ADDITIONAL REFERENCES TO THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE AND OR DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE.
GUY DEMPSEY: ARE HIGHLIGHTING THE NEED FOR TRAINING AND BEST PRACTICES AROUND THE ISSUES OF CHOKE HOLDS.
JOSH COHN: A GUY MY SUGGESTION WOULD HAVE CAUSED US TO ARTICULATE MENTAL HEALTH FIRST AID, FOR EXAMPLE ON IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING THAT IS.
JOSH COHN: AND, AND MAYBE YOU'RE INTENDING THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO YOU'RE SAYING BRING THOSE TOPICS INTO THE SUGGESTED AREAS.
GUY DEMPSEY: YES, YEAH OKAY, THANK YOU THAT'S A GOOD CLARIFICATION.
TED LIVINGSTON: AND I AGREE WITH THAT AND IT WOULD BE DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE WOULD BE THE CORRECT TERM DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE.
GUY DEMPSEY: ANYBODY OBJECT TO THAT APPROACH.
COREY.
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AMANDA YANNETT: SO WITH THIS APPROACH TO CLARIFY UM ALRIGHT, ARE YOU SO, BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD FROM KOREA IS LIKE REALLY MAKING. AMANDA YANNETT: THIS FOCUS MORE OF A PRIORITY, SO IS THAT KIND OF IS WHAT YOU WANT US TO VOTE ON KIND OF MAKING THAT MORE OF A GENERAL.
GUY DEMPSEY: IT WOULD IT'S LOOKING AT THE WORDING OF SIX RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS WHICH.
GUY DEMPSEY: MENTIONED A NUMBER OF TOPICS RIGHT AS AN EFFECT THE ONES THAT WE WANT THEM TO FOCUS ON, BUT NOT MAKING ANY ONE OF THOSE A PRIORITY OVER ANY OTHER TOOLS ITS PRIORITY IT'S LEFT TO THE DISCRETION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS TO WHAT TRAINING THEY NEED.
LISA DOMINICI: BUT IT DOES SAY, WITH A FOCUS ON IMPROVING AND ENHANCING EDUCATION AND TRAINING OF AUTHORS IN THE FOLLOWING AREAS, AND THEN WE.
LISA DOMINICI: USE OF DEADLY FORCE.
GUY DEMPSEY: FINDING BEST PRACTICES RIGHT.
LISA DOMINICI: AND, AND ALSO, I THINK.
LISA DOMINICI: WHAT MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD THIS, BUT WHEN YOU ARE WHEN THE MAYOR WAS TALKING ABOUT INCLUDING THINGS LIKE IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING MENTAL HEALTH FIRST AID TRAINING WITH IT, WE ALSO THEN BE ADDING DEFENSE TACTICS INSTRUCTION.
LISA DOMINICI: IS.
JOSH COHN: THAT THERE IS.
LISA DOMINICI: YES, WHAT YOU WERE SUGGESTING OKAY.
JOSH COHN: YES, AND AND AND, YES, I THINK THOSE ARE THOSE ARE PRIORITIES THAT HAVE COME OUT AND HAVE NOW THESE MONTHS OF MEETINGS.
LISA DOMINICI: SO WE ARE ASKING FOR THEM TO IMPROVE AND ENHANCE THAT EDUCATION AND TRAINING, YES.
LISA DOMINICI: BUT NOT ON THOSE AREAS, YES THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE IT SAYS IN THE FOLLOWING IN THE FOLLOWING AREAS, SO WE ARE LISTING THOSE AREAS AMANDA.
AMANDA YANNETT: BUT.
TED LIVINGSTON: GO AHEAD AND MOVE.
AMANDA YANNETT: IT UP SO I'M JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND BEFORE WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT UM IS IT UP TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS DISCRETION.
AMANDA YANNETT: IS THAT IS THAT THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE'RE WE'RE SAYING.
AMANDA YANNETT: IN WHAT AREAS AND THOSE PRIORITIES THEY WANT TO FOCUS ON.
GUY DEMPSEY: THIS IS HOW I READ YES.
GUY DEMPSEY: YES.
AMANDA YANNETT: YEAH I WOULD SAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: IT IS WE HAVE TO GIVE THE PROFESSIONALS SOME DISCRETION AS TO.
AMANDA YANNETT: YEAH I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY.
TED LIVINGSTON: BUT THE FIRST THE FIRST AREA THAT WE MENTIONED RIGHT THE FIRST AREA IS USE OF IT SHOULD BE USE OF PHYSICAL FORCE AND USE OF DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE.
OKAY.
TED LIVINGSTON: YOU KNOW.
GUY DEMPSEY: THERE ARE, THERE ARE STILL SOME HANDS UP, BUT I THINK THEY'RE RESIDUAL HANDS FROM PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO WE'VE ASKED TO.
GUY DEMPSEY: OBJECTIONS AND COREY RAISED 10 FOR AN OBJECTION.
GUY DEMPSEY: OR ANYBODY ELSE OBJECT TO THAT APPROACH FOR RESOLVING THIS ISSUES OF 17 AND SIX.
AMANDA YANNETT: I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IF I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT COIN, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR I'M.
AMANDA YANNETT: COREY EXPLAIN HIS REASONING OF WHY HE'S OBJECTING STILL.
AMANDA YANNETT: IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT COREY.
COREY STARK: SURE UM SO LIKE I SAID I I PROPOSED THE ADDITIONAL TRAINING ASPECT AS.
A.
COREY STARK: COMPROMISE TO SOMETHING I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE.
COREY STARK: BECAUSE OF A RECOGNITION OF THE CONCERN ABOUT OTHER POLICE OFFICERS, NOT BEING WILLING TO COME INTO RIDE TO ASSIST AND THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING OTHER POLICE OFFICERS ASSIST.
COREY STARK: TO.
COREY STARK: YOU KNOW, SUGGEST THAT.
COREY STARK: I DON'T I'M NOT TRYING TO MANAGE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT TO SUGGEST THAT.
COREY STARK: CONSIDERING WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN THE COUNTRY FOR A LONG TIME AND WHAT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED RECENTLY ADDED ADDITIONAL TRAINING AND I APOLOGIZE ABOUT THE BACKGROUND NOISE ADDITIONAL TRAINING WITH RESPECT TO.
COREY STARK: HANDCUFFING AND RESTRICTING BREATHING IS NOT NECESSARY, ON A REGULAR BASIS IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN'T GET BEHIND SO TO SUGGEST THAT WE LEAVE IT UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
COREY STARK: I'M I'M HOPEFUL THAT THEY WOULD EXERCISE THEIR DISCRETION APPROPRIATELY, BUT IF THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE THAT TRAINING AND WE HAD AN ISSUE, BY THE WAY, THAT WOULD EXPOSE.
COREY STARK: OUR CITY TO A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LIABILITY IF WE HAD REGULAR TRAINING AND DOCUMENTED REGULAR TRAINING THAT WOULD BE OUR BEST DEFENSE AGAINST A LAWSUIT AS WELL.
COREY STARK: AND WOULD ALSO MAKE US LOOK AS THOUGH WE'RE TRYING TO BE PROTECTED AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT EXPOSED TO THESE TYPES OF THINGS SO THAT'S THE BASIS OF MY OBJECTION.
AMANDA YANNETT: THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT, AND GIVEN THAT, THEN YES, I AGREE WITH COREY I STANDARDS COREY.
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GUY DEMPSEY: SO, THEN, WE HAVE TWO OBJECTIONS NOTED, BUT I THINK WE. GUY DEMPSEY: WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE COMPROMISE SUGGESTED WE WE WON'T LOCK THIS DOWN COMPLETELY WILL GET OUT A REVISED DRAFT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AFTER THIS MEETING.
GUY DEMPSEY: WE GET EVER MINDFUL, WE DO HAVE TO GET THE FULL SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS, AS APPROVED OUT TO THE TO THE PUBLIC AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO LOOK AT A FINAL WORDING ON THIS PROVISION TO SEE IF.
GUY DEMPSEY: THERE'S ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO I THINK THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: ENABLES US TO MOVE ON TO OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS AND PERHAPS WE CAN MAKE BETTER PROGRESS OR OR FASTER PROGRESS IN SOME OF THOSE IF WE JUST IF EVERYBODY'S GOT THE LIST TO HAND WE CAN START WITH ONE AND WE NEED TO TRUST POWER THROUGH THESE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, KEEP.
GUY DEMPSEY: COMMENTS TO A MINIMUM, ALTHOUGH NOT DISCOURAGING COMMENTS WHEN PEOPLE FEEL THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE THEM AND, IF NECESSARY, MOVE TO VOTES ON PROVISIONS QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO FIRST RECOMMENDATION WHICH WE HAVEN'T YET DISCUSSED IS OUR CPD SHOULD REVISE ITS MISSION STATEMENT AND LATER THE MATTERS DISCUSSED AND DELIBERATIONS THAT'S COMMITTEE.
GUY DEMPSEY: ANYBODY HAVE SECTIONS TO THAT RECOMMENDATION.
GUY DEMPSEY: OR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT RECOMMENDATION.
GUY DEMPSEY: HEARING NO OBJECTIONS, I THINK WE LOCK THAT DOWN AND MOVE ON.
GUY DEMPSEY: WE HAVE.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE ISSUE OF SORT OF MULTIPLE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE SAME TOPIC, BUT THEY'RE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SUBJECT MATTERS SO IT'S POSSIBLE UNIT WITH ALL THREE.
GUY DEMPSEY: EASY THE FIRST ONE IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE GOVERNOR AND OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD REVIEW THE CIVIL SERVICE PROCESS TO END TO ALLOW MORE FLEXIBILITY AND DIVERSE HIRING THE SECOND ONE, WHICH IS A POINT THAT CAME UP FROM OUR LAST CALL, WHICH IS THAT THERE'S A SPECIFIC.
GUY DEMPSEY: ISSUE THAT RY IS CURRENTLY LIMITED FROM HIRING FROM NON ADJACENT COUNTIES AND I'M STILL NOT CLEAR ON EXACTLY WHO WE.
GUY DEMPSEY: WHO WHO NEEDS TO MAKE A PETITION AND WHO THEY MAKE THAT PETITION TO TO CHANGE THAT, BUT THE THOUGHT I THINK WAS CLEAR FROM GAPES POINT LAST CALL AND THE LAST ONE, IS ONE THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: WE MISTAKENLY THOUGHT WAS ROLLED INTO THE ISSUE OF WHAT WE RECOMMEND TO OUR GOVERNOR AND ELECTED OFFICIALS.
GUY DEMPSEY: BUT IT'S POSSIBLY A SEPARATE.
GUY DEMPSEY: RECOMMENDATION THAT, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED OR ALLOWED BY EXISTING WESTCHESTER COUNTY AND STATE OF NEW YORK LAW HIRING MANAGERS WITHIN OUR PD WILL.
GUY DEMPSEY: ENSURE THAT THEY INTERVIEW A DIVERSE SLATE OF ADDING THE WORD QUALIFIED POTENTIAL CANDIDATES.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT AND ANY SUGGESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD APPROVE ALL OR LESS THAN ALL OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FLOOR IS OPEN.
GUY DEMPSEY: NOT SEEING ANY HANDS, I GUESS, I WOULD PUT I WOULD THROW IT OUT, THEN WE MAKE ALL THREE OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SUSAN WATSON: COULD NUMBER THREE BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT SO THAT THE OUTREACH BECOMES A DISCUSSION WITH RESPECT TO HIRING.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT'S A GOOD IT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION, THE.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK THAT CAME FROM MY SUBCOMMITTEE THE WEATHER LOCAL YOUTH.
GUY DEMPSEY: IT WAS ACTUALLY.
SUSAN WATSON: IT'S REALLY A DISCUSSION ABOUT HIRING AND FINDING ADDITIONAL CANDIDATES, AND I THINK THAT GOES IN WITH THE PREVIOUS TWO POINTS.
GUY DEMPSEY: RIGHT, I GUESS IT'S A SORT OF A SEPARATE KIND OF RECOMMENDATION, BUT THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THAT RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS IN THE SAME GENERAL VICINITY OF HIRING.
GUY DEMPSEY: IS RISES TO THE SAME LEVEL OF THE OTHERS OR IS SORT OF A SUBSET OF ONE OF THE OTHERS OR STANDS ALONE SO YOU'RE RIGHT TO BRING THAT INTO THE SAME CONVERSATION.
AMANDA YANNETT: I WOULD LEAVE IT AT THREE I'M LEAVING IT JUST BECAUSE I VIEW THE OTHER ONES, HAVING INVOLVING MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY IN.
AMANDA YANNETT: LIKE THE POLICE ACADEMY AND I READ THAT ONE MORE IS LIKE WITH THE YOUTH AND INTRODUCING THEM TO THE IDEA OF LIKE MAYBE TRYING TO JOIN THE POLICE ACADEMY AND BECOME AN OFFICER.
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LISA DOMINICI: I AGREE WITH AMANDA BUT, ALTHOUGH I THINK AT ONE POINT I. LISA DOMINICI: PROBABLY IN ONE OF MY OWN VERSIONS, I HAD PUT THAT UNDER THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT COULD BE AN OUTPUT OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
LISA DOMINICI: AND THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY THERE AND ENSURING THAT THERE WAS SOME OUTREACH AND EDUCATION OF YOUTH IN OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW CAREERS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OTHER CIVIL SERVICE CAREERS.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT ACTUALLY IS A PINK VERY, VERY GOOD CONNECTING OF THE DOTS, I THINK, BECAUSE THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: FEELS LIKE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VERY WELL DISCUSSED BY THE COMMUNITY POLICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
JAMIE JENSEN: I AGREE WITH LISA I'M LOOKING AT THESE AND HOW YOU GUYS DID SUCH A WONDERFUL JOB TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PARSEES INTO RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT A LOT OF US.
JAMIE JENSEN: AND THEN GRIM AND I HAD A PART IN WRITING THOSE THOSE ONES WE'VE ALL BEEN DISCUSSING.
JAMIE JENSEN: THERE'S A SPIRIT IN WHICH YOU EXPECT AS A COMMUNITY AND A COMMUNITY ADVISORY GROUP TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND ENGAGING ABOUT.
JAMIE JENSEN: HOW DO WE DO THIS WELL AND HOW DO WE SUPPORT US POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE THE BEST POSSIBLE PLEASE COME TO OUR DEPARTMENT.
JAMIE JENSEN: AND THEN, HOW DO YOU TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT REALLY MATTER LIKE WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE.
JAMIE JENSEN: WE REALLY KIND OF WANT TO MONITOR THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET WOMEN AND POLICE OFFICERS OF COLOR, SO THERE IS A DISTINCTION THERE, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE SUE'S EDITING COMMENT, BUT I THINK THE SPIRIT SHOULD KEEP IT SEPARATE BECAUSE THIS THREE AS MUCH SOFTER THAN TWO FAIR THAT'S FAIR.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO I GUESS THE.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE CURRENT STATE WOULD PLAY WOULD BE MAKE TO A B AND C AS RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMITTEE.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND THREE.
GUY DEMPSEY: NOT CLEAR IF PEOPLE ARE AGREEING WITH LISA THAT IT SHOULD GO AS THE SUBSET UNDER THE COMPLETE THE COMMUNITY POLICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR STAY AS A SEPARATE RECOMMENDATION AND THREE.
TED LIVINGSTON: I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY GUY I KNOW SOMEONE OVER THERE.
SUSAN WATSON: SO IS IT IS IT A ROLE FOR THE RISE CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE POLICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
GUY DEMPSEY: IT'S A IT'S A TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION BY BOTH.
SUSAN WATSON: OKAY OKAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT APPROACH.
GUY DEMPSEY: OKAY LET'S MOVE ON TO FOUR.
GUY DEMPSEY: I HOPE THIS IS NON CONTROVERSIAL, I THINK THIS IS.
GUY DEMPSEY: YEAH THEIR COFFEE WITH THE COP.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO FOR AS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMITTEE.
JAMIE JENSEN: I ACTUALLY WOULD REMOVE PANDEMIC SAFE CARDS.
LISA DOMINICI: YEAH I UNTIL.
JAMIE JENSEN: IT'S JUST TO IT, I DON'T THAT'S NOT THE SPIRIT OF WE'RE WRITING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT SHOULD BE GOING FORTH BEYOND HOPEFULLY THE NEXT YEAR AND I DON'T THINK IT BELONGS IN THIS SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND OKAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: WELL.
GUY DEMPSEY: THIS IS.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE FIRST REFERENCE PANDEMIC AND THEN STARTING COFFEE, WITH A CUP AS SOON AS CIRCUMSTANCES PERMIT IS, I THINK, IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DRAFTING BETTER.
JENN BOYLE: I'M GUESSING THIS THIS.
JENN BOYLE: IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS THE.
JENN BOYLE: OUTPUT OF THE COMMUNITY, THE COMBINATION OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH THAT GENERALLY THAN I WORKED ON IT SIMILAR THEMES.
JENN BOYLE: WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE.
JENN BOYLE: POLICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WOULD BE SORT OF THAT LINKAGE GROUP.
JENN BOYLE: TO REACH OUT TO.
JENN BOYLE: YOU KNOW OTHERS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO GET FEEDBACK AND AND YOU KNOW HAVE HAVE AN OPEN DIALOGUE OPPORTUNITY WITH OTHERS, IS THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: RIGHT.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: SARA LEE RIGHT DON'T DON'T WE HAVE ONE OF THE POLICE, LIEUTENANT IS A MEMBER OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION NOW OR HE'S ONLY A SONG.
JOSH COHN: I THINK HE'S A.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: HE'S A LIAISON RIGHT, SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS TO INTERACT WITH THE COMMUNITY, NOT NECESSARILY ONLY WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
JENN BOYLE: OH YEAH.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: I TOTALLY SEE THE RIGHT THERE.
JENN BOYLE: RIGHT AND AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE AREN'T I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY MANY OTHERS ALSO ASIDE FROM EVEN JUST THOSE TWO, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT THAT THAT.
JENN BOYLE: THAT THIS IS A REFLECTION OF THAT COMMUNITY OUTREACH BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT ANYWHERE ELSE, SO THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE, THIS IS THE PIECE, THAT IS, THAT RECOMMENDATION.
LISA DOMINICI: I'M SORRY I'M NOT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING.
JENN BOYLE: SORRY, BECAUSE WE HAD BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A MORE INFORMAL.
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JENN BOYLE: YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT A GROUP THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BUT JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THERE TO BE COMMUNITY DIALOGUE. JENN BOYLE: AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF USING GROWING THE POSITIVE WITH THE REPRESENTATION OF THAT GROUP AND I, I THINK THAT MY SENSE IS THAT THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY, THE POLICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS GOING TO BE MORE LIMITED IN ITS.
JENN BOYLE: NUMBERS OF REPRESENTATION, BUT MAYBE NOT MAYBE IT WILL HAVE YOU KNOW THE SAME LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION AS AS WHAT.
JENN BOYLE: GROWING THE POSITIVE WAS.
JENN BOYLE: FOR FRAMED OUT TO BE.
JENN BOYLE: FINE IT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL THE LAYERS OF COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT INTERACTION THAT'S THAT'S MY ONLY POINT.
JOSH COHN: THE POLICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL BE SEVEN TO NINE PEOPLE.
JOSH COHN: IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A GREAT BIG COMMITTEE IT'S GOING TO BE SIZED AS OTHER CITY ADVISORY COMMITTEES ARE.
LISA DOMINICI: YEAH, SO I THINK PERHAPS WE KEEP FOR.
JAMIE JENSEN: I MEAN WE I I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE KEEP, FOR I ARGUE THAT WE KEEP IT AS EXPANSIVE AS POSSIBLE, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THIS IS, THIS IS A STATEMENT, AND I THINK.
JAMIE JENSEN: A GREENWICH IN THAT WE REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE ME THE SENSE OF WHAT COMMUNITY POLICING LOOKS LIKE AND SO THAT, YES, WHILE WE ARE A COMMUNITY OF FAMILIES AND YOUTH ARE CLEARLY CAME OUT AS THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
JAMIE JENSEN: THAT PEOPLE REALLY FELT THAT WE NEEDED TO USE FOCUS AND THAT'S IN THERE.
JAMIE JENSEN: THAT WE REALLY NEED TO JUST KIND OF SAY HEY THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, AND ALL OF ITS SHAPES AND FORMS THAT PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE THAT WORK IN HOMES EVERY DAY FOR PEOPLE.
JAMIE JENSEN: THERE NEEDS TO BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO FEEL LIKE THEY CAN ENGAGE WITH OUR POLICE OFFICERS, IT COULD BE RIGHT TOWN PARK RIGHT TOWN PARK HAS PORCHESTER.
JAMIE JENSEN: RIDE BROKEN RYAN NECK NECK RESIDENTS THAT COME TO THAT PARK AND YET WE'RE RESPONSIBLE, WHERE THE RESPONSIBLE POLICE FORCE, SO I THINK JEN, WE HAVE TO KEEP IT REALLY BROAD.
JENN BOYLE: I AGREE I'M NOT.
JAMIE JENSEN: I'M NOT ARGUING AGAINST AGREEING WITH YOU.
LISA DOMINICI: YEAH I MEAN, SO I WOULD.
JENN BOYLE: RATHER RATHER.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAN WER SICH WE HAVE A VIOLENT AGREEMENT GOING ON.
JENN BOYLE: I JUST WAS WORRIED THAT THIS WOULD BE TOO LIMITED THAT WAS THAT WAS MY I, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR THERE TO BE YOU KNOW REPRESENTATION FROM FROM US FROM YOU KNOW CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FROM.
JENN BOYLE: COUNCIL WHATEVER.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT THAT'S I JUST POINT OUT THE WAY THIS IS RECOMMENDATION WAS DRAFTED IT'S.
GUY DEMPSEY: IT'S ABOUT THE RIGHT RAY CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT BEING RECEPTIVE TO OPPORTUNITIES IT DOESN'T SAY WHO IS WHO'S THERE'S NO LIMIT ON WHO CAN OFFER THEM OPPORTUNITIES OR FOR THEM TO FIND OPPORTUNITIES IT'S JUST.
GUY DEMPSEY: THEY'RE, THE ONES WHO WERE PUTTING A RECOMMENDATION TO THEM TO BE OPEN TO THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, WHOEVER WHEREVER THEY COME FROM.
GUY DEMPSEY: OKAY.
SUSAN WATSON: SO DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT TO RECEPTIVE OPPORTUNITIES FROM INCREASE OPPORTUNITIES WHICH PUTS THE ONUS ON THEM.
GUY DEMPSEY: OH, I THINK WE STILL INCREASE LET'S LEAVE IT ON THEM THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN, I GUESS, WE SHOULD SEE WE SHOULD STICK.
GUY DEMPSEY: ALL RIGHT, LET'S CONSIDER THAT ONE DONE UNLESS THERE'S A FURTHER IMPORTANT POINT.
GUY DEMPSEY: THIS TAKES US TO FIVE.
GUY DEMPSEY: WHICH ON REFLECTION IS A SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE FUZZY BECAUSE THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION IS THEY SHOULD CONSIDER WAYS TO MEASURE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PROGRAM SUPPORT IT AND IMPROVING OVERALL YOUTH WELLNESS.
GUY DEMPSEY: THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLEX CAUSATION AND CAUSE AND EFFECT AND ANALYSIS THAT SORT OF GOES INTO THOSE WORDS.
SUSAN WATSON: ISN'T THAT OFF TOPIC FOR A POLICE REVIEW COMMITTEE.
LISA DOMINICI: IT SEEMS SO.
JAMIE JENSEN: SO I ACTUALLY BECAUSE I'M WATCHING HOW LOVELY LISA AND I WERE TO BE AS INCLUSIVE AS POSSIBLE WHEN WE WERE ALL WRITING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ORIGINALLY, AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME AS A WHOLE GROUP.
JAMIE JENSEN: WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY STUFF I DON'T MIND IF WE CUT THIS OUT, IT WAS PUT IN THERE.
JAMIE JENSEN: INGRAM AND I WROTE IT AND I'M SEEING WHERE SOME OF OUR WORDING IN THERE IS BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION AND SUBCOMMITTEES THAT.
JAMIE JENSEN: WHAT'S THIS GOING TO COST HOW MUCH IS THIS GOING TO BE THIS IS GOING TO DO, YOU HAVE MORE MONEY MER FROM ROB FOG, AND SO THE THE INTENT WAS TO SAY WHEN YOU'RE HAVING YOUR BUDGET CONVERSATIONS GREG US RE.
JAMIE JENSEN: CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL BUDGET THAT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE POLICE AND YOUTH ISSUES.
JAMIE JENSEN: BE SOMETHING THAT YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU'RE HAVING YOUR BUDGET CONVERSATIONS AND SO THAT WAS THE SPIRIT OF WHICH WAS MADE LEESON GUY THAT CRIED IT TRIED TO.
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JAMIE JENSEN: PULL THINGS OUT OF NARRATIVES AND PUT IT INTO RECOMMENDATIONS AND SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH YOU SOFT I'M CALLING IT IS THE BIT ABOUT BUDGET EXPENDITURES THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE THERE STILL SO I OPENED FOR CHANGE. LISA DOMINICI: BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY RELEVANT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I MEAN.
JAMIE JENSEN: WHILE IT SAYS RIGHT CITY COUNCIL, THEY ARE ULTIMATELY THE BUCK FELLOWS WITH THEM.
GUY DEMPSEY: RIGHT BUT WE'RE SUPPORTING OVERALL YOUTH WELLNESS WE COMES A LITTLE FAR AFIELD FROM POLICE REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION THAT'S THAT WELL THAT'S THAT'S THE THOUGHT WE.
GUY DEMPSEY: WERE HERE TO DISCUSS AND EITHER THE WEEK IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME OUT OF OUR SUBCOMMITTEE SO IT'S ON THE LIST, WE CAN EITHER AGREE TO KEEP IT ON THE LIST A MODIFIED OR AGREE TO TAKE IT OFF THE LIST.
LISA DOMINICI: AND FOR THE RECORD THAT WAS NOT MY SUBCOMMITTEE, ALTHOUGH I'M HIGHLY IN FAVOR OF BUDGETING FOR.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: DAILY, WE WANT TO TAKE IT OUT IF JAMIE SAYS, YOU WANT TO TAKE IT OUT, WE COULD DO THAT AS LONG AS WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE YEAH GREG SHOULD BE LOSING THE MONEY, INSTEAD OF THE KIDS PLAYING A CVS EVERY TIME I GO IN THERE, THEY SHOULD BE DOWN AT THE REC.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: AND ONE GRAM.
GREG USRY: OF YOU HAVE YOU SEEN THE RIGHT BUDGET INGRAM WITH.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: NO, I HAVEN'T THAT I HAVE NOT, BUT I CAN VOLUNTEER MY SERVICES DOWN THERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY ME GETTING KIDS OUT OF CVS THAT'S ALL.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: YOU'RE ALL INVITED MARK MARK YOUR CALENDARS NOVEMBER 16 AND NOVEMBER 22 FOR THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: EVERYBODY CAN COME AND ASK.
GUY DEMPSEY: ON ON THOSE NOTES, YOU WOULD BE COMFORTABLE DELETING RECOMMENDATION FIVE OBJECTION TO THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: OKAY, I THINK WE'RE GOOD, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT SIX SO THAT TAKES US TO SEVEN.
GUY DEMPSEY: WHICH IS THE COMPLETE THE SCHEDULED AND BUDGETED USE A BODY WORN CAMERAS SOON AS PRACTICABLE.
GUY DEMPSEY: INCORPORATE POLICIES, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND TRAINING SHOULD INCORPORATE BEST PRACTICES.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK HE HAD SOME DISCUSSION AROUND THIS IT'S ALSO REFLECTS AND SORT OF SOME OF THE GENERAL PRINCIPLES WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IN OTHER CONTEXTS.
GUY DEMPSEY: DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THIS RECOMMENDATION.
GUY DEMPSEY: SORRY THERE'S THERE'S A HAND UP JAMIE YOU GET YOUR HINT.
JAMIE JENSEN: I WANT GOOD I FORGOT TO LOWER IT LAST TIME.
GREG USRY: GREAT YEP GOT I GUESS THE ONLY THE ONLY QUESTION IS WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE ANY RECOGNITION OR AFFIRMATION OR STATEMENT THAT THIS IS THIS IS ALREADY IN THE WORKS.
GREG USRY: I MEAN I IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT BUT, BUT THE POINT, THE POINT IS, IS THAT THIS IS THIS IS, YOU KNOW WELL DOWN THE ROAD.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE LANGUAGE, COMPLETE THE SCHEDULED AND BUDGETED USE.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO WE WILL BE WE DID WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS NOT A NEW A NEW IDEA.
GREG USRY: SPARE.
LISA DOMINICI: OR DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP OR DID YOU.
COREY STARK: I DID, BUT I TOOK IT DOWN I'M FINE.
GUY DEMPSEY: ALRIGHT, SEEING NO OBJECTIONS SEVEN WILL STAND AS A RECOMMENDATION.
GUY DEMPSEY: WE HAVE NOW NEXT IS EIGHT AND NINE, WHICH SORT OF GO TO.
GUY DEMPSEY: GO TOGETHER.
GUY DEMPSEY: MAYBE IT'S OVERLY TECHNICAL TO HAVE A SEPARATE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THERE'S SORT OF TWO PIECES TO THE POLICY APPROVAL PUZZLE ONE IS.
GUY DEMPSEY: OUR CB THE POLICE SHOULD BE SENDING THE POLICIES THAT THE LINE TO THE TO THE COMMISSIONER, PUBLIC SAFETY AND THEIR CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE ASKING FOR THEM AND APPROVING THEM.
GUY DEMPSEY: I DON'T KNOW IF THAT LITERALLY NEEDS TO BE TWO DIFFERENT POLICIES BUT THAT'S THERE WE SET IT UP THIS WAY, JUST TO REFLECT THE IDEA THAT BOTH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE POLICE HAD TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS TO GET TO THE SAME RESULT WHICH IS TO CONFIRM THAT ALL.
GUY DEMPSEY: POLICIES WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO ANY COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS ABOUT.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE OVERALL RECOMMENDATION OR THE OR THE TECHNICAL POINT.
GUY DEMPSEY: SEEING NO OBJECTIONS AND SEEING NO COMMENTS.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO I GUESS THE THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE IS TO IS TO LET THEM STAND AS TWO SEPARATE RECOMMENDATIONS.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND I INVITE.
GUY DEMPSEY: ROB OR GREG TO SEND ANY ADDITIONAL DRAFTING THAT WILL CLARIFY THAT WE'VE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION APPROPRIATELY IN TERMS OF WHAT NEEDS TO GET DONE SURE.
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GREG USRY: WELL, THERE. GUY DEMPSEY: AND I GUESS THAT'S ACTUALLY TRUE ABOUT ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE APPROVING IF IF PEOPLE HAVE.
GUY DEMPSEY: SPECIFIC DRAFTING THOUGHTS, PLEASE SEND THAT IN.
GUY DEMPSEY: 10 IS ABOUT TAKING ACTION, WITH RESPECT TO POLICIES AND.
GUY DEMPSEY: WE HAVE.
GUY DEMPSEY: I GUESS WE'VE ALREADY DEALT WITH EFFECTIVE THE WHISTLEBLOWER POLICY AND THE ANTI RETALIATION POLICY ELEMENT OF THIS WILL BE REPLACED BY WORDING THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: COREY AS HAS EITHER BEEN VOLUNTEERED OR VOLUNTEERED TO TO GIVE US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WE REFLECT THE CORRECT NOTIFICATION FOR THE CITY TO ITS EMPLOYEES.
COREY STARK: AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO GET THAT OUT TOMORROW.
GUY DEMPSEY: THANK YOU.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE OTHER TWO ARE.
GUY DEMPSEY: JUST.
GUY DEMPSEY: WELL, EITHER EITHER THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THE OTHER TWO, WHICH IS THE SPECIFIC UPDATES OF TO SPECIFIC GENERAL ORDERS.
GUY DEMPSEY: COMMENTS AND ANY ANY OBJECTIONS TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
GUY DEMPSEY: OKAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: MOVING ON TO 1111 IS.
GUY DEMPSEY: WE WITH A COLLECTION OF DEMOGRAPHIC DATA, AND I THINK WE HAVE A.
GUY DEMPSEY: I GUESS, WE HAD A PROPOSAL ON THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: I GUESS.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK THE.
GUY DEMPSEY: WHICH INCLUDED THERE.
GUY DEMPSEY: WAS THE MOST RECENT PROPOSAL, SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE.
GUY DEMPSEY: QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE WAY THAT'S 11 IS NOW DRAFTED IN THE MARCH 3 DRAFT.
GUY DEMPSEY: DOES IT REFLECT THE VIEWS OF THE COMMITTEE.
GUY DEMPSEY: OKAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: I SEE NO COMMENTS AND HEARING NO OBJECTIONS.
GUY DEMPSEY: MOVE ON TO 12.
GUY DEMPSEY: THERE WAS SOME WORDING CHANGES IN 12 FROM THE PRIOR DRAFT TO THE MARCH 3 DRAFT THOSE HAVE BEEN MARKED IN THE IN THE VARIATION I CIRCULATED TO THE GROUP.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO.
GUY DEMPSEY: JUST TO EMPHASIZE EFFECTIVELY THE ADDED WORD MOST IMPORTANT ADD WORDING WAS THE COMMITTEE WILL NOT BE AN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
GUY DEMPSEY: ANY COMMENTS FURTHER COMMENTS ON 12.
BEN STACKS: GUY I'M SORRY, CAN WE GO BACK TO 11 CERTAINLY REAL QUICK I'M SORRY.
BEN STACKS: I JUST GOT STUCK.
BEN STACKS: ON.
BEN STACKS: I GOT STUCK ON THE WORDS IMPERMISSIBLE BIASES DO WE NEED TO DEFINE THAT I JUST.
BEN STACKS: OR MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE ROLE OF THIS COMMITTEE, BUT I JUST I DON'T KNOW IT SEEMS OPAQUE TO ME.
BEN STACKS: I MEAN I KIND OF KNOW SOME OF THEM FOR SURE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO GIVE THE FUTURE COMMITTEE.
BEN STACKS: MORE GUIDANCE WITH THAT, BUT MAYBE I'M WRONG I JUST JUST SEEMED.
GUY DEMPSEY: AS AS IT AS A DRAFTING MATTER IS THAT IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO TRY AND RECITE THE FULL LITANY OF PROTECTED.
GUY DEMPSEY: CATEGORIES, CURRENTLY, PARTICULARLY WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THE NUMBER OF PROTECTED CATEGORIES IS CONSTANTLY EXPANDING, SO I THOUGHT THIS WAS A REASONABLE WAY TO SUMMARIZE THE CONCERN WITHOUT GETTING BOGGED DOWN IN A LONG LAUNDRY LIST OF CHARACTERISTICS OKAY.
JOSH COHN: YEAH I DOES DOES THE PRIOR PHRASE, THOUGH, TAKE CARE OF IT THAT IS COMPLIES WITH APPLICABLE LAWS, REGULATIONS AND POLICIES, THAT IS IF IT'S AN IMPERMISSIBLE BIAS, I WOULD PRESUME THAT IT'S PRO PRO SCRIBE BY LAW, REGULATION OR POLICY.
GUY DEMPSEY: I WOULD KIND OF TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S.
COREY STARK: COR COR RADIO YEAH WE TRY.
SUSAN WATSON: THE WORD IMPERMISSIBLE.
SUSAN WATSON: AND MAKE IT DOES NOT REFLECT BIAS.
SUSAN WATSON: BIAS.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING WOULD TELL YOU THAT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO BE BIAS FREE.
SUSAN WATSON: OKAY THAT'S FAIR.
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COREY STARK: I THOUGHT I'LL JUST. COREY STARK: CORRECT YES, SO THAT.
COREY STARK: THE STATE LAW, THE STATE ANTI RETALIATION LAW OR ANTI DISCRIMINATION LAWS, REFERRED TO AS THE EXECUTIVE LAW AND HIS EXECUTIVE LAW PRESCRIBES WHICH THE PROTECTED GROUPS ARE SO I DO THINK THAT WOULD BE COVERED, I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS A LIST OF PROTECTING GROUPS THAT WAS IN THE WORKBOOK.
COREY STARK: SO WE COULD, IF WE WANTED TO, WE COULD PUT THAT IN BUT I.
COREY STARK: THINK, THE SUGGESTION OF THE MARRIAGE IS APPROPRIATE THAT IT IS PRESCRIBED BY.
GUY DEMPSEY: MAKE THAT CHANGE AND 11.
GUY DEMPSEY: ANYTHING ELSE ON 11 BEFORE GO BACK TO 12.
GUY DEMPSEY: OK BACK TO 12 AND I THINK WE WERE SEEING THE THROUGH THOSE FEW SMALL AMENDMENTS THERE AND WE ALSO WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IN ONE DON'T LIE UNDER 12.
GUY DEMPSEY: IT'S THE THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE WOULD BE MONITORING THE IMPLEMENTATION BY RICE CITY POLICE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THIS COMMITTEE, AS ADOPTED BY THE RICE CITY COUNCIL, WHICH IS THE BODY THAT ACTUALLY HAS TO ADOPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
COREY STARK: THE ONLY THING I'LL SAY IS NOT NOT TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE, BUT MY HOPE IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AND I EXPECTED IT WILL WILL MAKE A REAL EFFORT TO INCLUDE.
COREY STARK: SOME OF THE FOLKS WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY THAT MAY HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED FROM THIS GROUP, WHICH I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY INTENTION TO EXCLUDE THEM FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, BUT I.
COREY STARK: JUST TO RESTATE I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA TO INCLUDE THE OFFICER WHO FELT LIKE SHE WAS EXCLUDED FROM THIS GROUP, SO IF THE RIGHT CITY COUNCIL WOULD EXTEND AN INVITATION TO HER, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO NOTED.
GUY DEMPSEY: HAVING NO OBJECTIONS WE'RE MOVING ON TO.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO THIS IS THE JUST MAKE PUBLIC THE SUMMARY DATA REGARDING COMPLAINTS.
GUY DEMPSEY: ANY COMMENTS OR OBJECTIONS TO THAT RECOMMENDATION.
GUY DEMPSEY: NO COMMENTS HERE, NO OBJECTIONS WILL MOVE UNDER 14.
GUY DEMPSEY: WHICH IS THE CREATION OF A FORUM IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH TO ALLOW COMPLAINTS I GUESS THERE'S A THERE'S A TWO PARTER HERE BECAUSE IT'S.
GUY DEMPSEY: THERE SHOULD BE BUSINESS CARDS WITH THE QR CODES LINKED TO THIS FORM.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK THERE WAS A GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT HAVING THESE FORMS READILY AVAILABLE IN PARTICULAR ON THE WEBSITE BEAUTIFUL.
GUY DEMPSEY: QUESTION HAVE WE I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT THERE ARE BUSINESS CARDS, THE POLICEMEN HAVE BUT THEY PROBABLY DO NOT HAVE QR CODES FOR THIS AT THE MOMENT.
GUY DEMPSEY: AND WE PROBABLY YOU'RE CARRYING OVER SOME OF THE POINTS MADE IN OTHER CONTEXTS WONDER IF THAT'S A LEVEL OF DETAILED IT'S TOO SMALL FOR PROPER AND APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATION.
JAMIE.
JAMIE JENSEN: SO UM.
JAMIE JENSEN: I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE QR CODE, I THINK YOU NEED TO KEEP IT WITH THE COMPLAINT PIECE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A CLEAR WAY IN WHICH FOLKS KNOW HOW TO ACCESS.
JAMIE JENSEN: HOW TO FILE A COMPLAINT, I THINK THE IMPORTANT POINT HERE IS IT'S GIVEN OUT EVERY TIME A POLICE OFFICER STOPS SOMEBODY.
JAMIE JENSEN: THAT THE IDEA OF PROCEDURAL JUSTICE IS YOU GO WITH THE POLICE, MAKING THE GESTURE OF BEING A GOOD COMMUNITY POLICE OFFICER.
JAMIE JENSEN: SO IT'S A WAY, INSTEAD OF STATING YOUR RANK AND FILE OH, YOU KNOW BEING FORCING THEM TO DO THIS DIALOGUE, THEY JUST MAKE SURE THEY GIVE THE PERSON THEIR CARD IT'S JUST A REALLY GOOD PRO SOCIAL GROW THE POSITIVE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
JAMIE JENSEN: BEST PRACTICE TO THE FIELD, AND I THINK WE NEED TO SAY THAT THAT THE EXPECTATION IS SAY THAT IT'S NOT WHEN THEY'RE ASKED.
JAMIE JENSEN: BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO HAVE TO ASK BECAUSE THAT CREATES ALL KINDS OF EXPECTATIONS RIGHT IF THEY SHOULD JUST FEEL LIKE WOW THAT GUY GAVE ME HIS CARD OR THAT WOMAN GAVE ME HIS CARD HER CARD ALRIGHT DONE.
LISA DOMINICI: AMANDA YOUR HAND IS A.
AMANDA YANNETT: UM YEAH I THINK ALSO LIKE IF THE QR CODES IS TOO COMPLICATED OR SOMETHING WE COULD ALSO JUST HAVE THEM WRITE ON THEIR CARD WHERE THEY CAN GO TO TO SUBMIT A COMPLAINT OR COMPLIMENT.
AMANDA YANNETT: LIKE IF THE QR CODE IS TOO COMPLICATED TO GET IN ORDER AND EVERYTHING, I THINK THAT THAT COULD JUST BE LIKE A SENTENCE ON THE BUSINESS CARD LIKE UM.
AMANDA YANNETT: BECAUSE ALSO LIKE RIGHT NOW ON THE FORM ON THE WEBSITE, IT SAYS, LIKE YOU CAN MAKE A COMPLAINT, USING THE FORM, BUT THEN THE FORMS, NOT EVEN HYPERLINKED SO IT'S LIKE A THEN WHERE DO I GET THE FORM SO IT'S LIKE I THINK IF THEY'RE ON THE BUSINESS CARDS.
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AMANDA YANNETT: YOU CAN SEE WHERE TO GO IF IT'S NOT THE QR CODE THAT BRINGS IT RIGHT THERE, THEN THAT WOULD HELP MAKE IT A LOT MORE EASILY ACCESSIBLE. SUSAN WATSON: SO PUT IT ON THE BACK OF THE BUSINESS CARD, MAYBE.
AMANDA YANNETT: YEAH THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE A SENTENCE OR TWO ON THE BACK OF THE BUSINESS CARD IF THE.
AMANDA YANNETT: QR CODE IS TOO COMPLICATED TO ORGANIZE.
LISA DOMINICI: BREAK YOUR HANDS UP.
GREG USRY: YEAH I JUST I I GUESS I PUSHED BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THIS IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME EVERY TIME YOU HAND OUT A BUSINESS CARD THAT THERE IS A COMPLAINT COMING IN THAT WE'RE DIRECTING PEOPLE TO THAT.
GREG USRY: I DO THINK THAT HAVING AN AMANDA HAS BEEN A BIG PROPONENT OF THIS WHICH I AGREE, I THINK WE'RE REDOING THE WEBSITE OR THE THE PD PAGE TO THE WEBSITE.
GREG USRY: AND WE'RE PUTTING THE WEBSITE ADDRESS ON A BUSINESS CARD THAT IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW OBVIOUS OR OR AVAILABLE THERE AND THAT WITH YOU KNOW WITH THE LINK ON THE WEBSITE I JUST I JUST DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF OF EITHER WHETHER IT'S.
GREG USRY: THE THE QR CODE OR YOU KNOW IF YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN HERE'S.
LISA DOMINICI: A MAN OR A COMPLIMENT RIGHT SO.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO IT SEEMS THE RECOMMENDATION IS SORT OF BREAKING INTO TWO PIECES OF THE FIRST ONE IS CREATING THE COMPLAINT FORM OR COMPLAINT OR COMPLEMENT FORM, I SEEMS TO BE NON CONTROVERSIAL.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE SECOND LEG OF IT IS.
GUY DEMPSEY: LIGHT UP I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: IT'S NOT JUST THERE SHOULD BE BUSINESS CARDS, BUT THAT THE POLICE SHOULD SHOULD HAND OUT THE BUSINESS CARDS IS A MANDATORY MATTER IN EACH INTERACTION.
GUY DEMPSEY: IS THAT IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM PEOPLE.
GUY DEMPSEY: BECAUSE THAT'S THAT SEEMS A LITTLE EXTREME TO ME.
JAMIE JENSEN: I THINK IT FEELS EXTREME IF YOU'RE TELLING A POLICE OFFICER YOU, BUT IF IT BECOMES JUST PART OF THE.
JAMIE JENSEN: NOW, IF I STOP A POLICE OFFICER ON THE STREET, BECAUSE HE HAPPENS TO BE DOWN AT THE MARINA AND HAVE A CHAT WITH THEM AND THEN HE'S EXPECTED TO GIVE ME A CARD, BUT BASIC PROCEDURAL JUSTICE.
JAMIE JENSEN: ALL THE BEST PRACTICES OUT THERE, SAY IT'S JUST A REALLY GOOD IDEAS COMMUNITY LIKE IT DOESN'T COST THAT MUCH FOR POLICE OFFICERS TO CARRY CARRY BUSINESS CARDS AND AND AND THEY STOP SOMEBODY TO SAY THAT YOU KNOW HERE.
JAMIE JENSEN: I'M GOING TO LET YOU OFF TO THE WARNING AND THEY GO, BUT THEY HAND THEM A BUSINESS CARD OR THEY SAY HERE'S YOUR TICKET AND THEY HAND THEM A BUSINESS CARD, I THINK THAT THAT'S THE MESSAGE WE WANT TO SEND.
JAMIE JENSEN: THAT WE'RE TRANSPARENT AND WE'RE ACCOUNTABLE AND WE REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL LIKE THEY KNOW WHO ARE POLICE OFFICERS ARE.
JAMIE JENSEN: I JUST REALLY DON'T WANT IT TO SOUND PUNITIVE OR MANDATORY I WANTED TO SOUND LIKE A BEST PRACTICE, SO IF YOU WANT TO WORK AT THAT GOT THAT WAY GUY I'M HAPPY WITH THAT, BUT I REALLY WANTED TO BE THE EXPECTATION THAT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PRACTICE.
SUSAN WATSON: WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO MAKE IT.
LISA DOMINICI: SORRY, MORE SENSE.
SUSAN WATSON: TO ENTER TO ENTER TO BEGIN THE INTERACTION WITH A BUSINESS CARD RATHER THAN ENDED WITH ONE HELLO I'M OFFICER SO AND SO OR I'M JUST.
SUSAN WATSON: I'M.
SUSAN WATSON: HOPING.
LISA DOMINICI: AND IS UP LET'S HEAR FROM GAME.
GABE CAPUTO: I MEAN I'LL.
GABE CAPUTO: GIVE YOU A QUICK SNIPPET SO THERE'S A VICTIM RIGHT CARD THAT WE GIVE OUT WHEN SOMEBODY HAS ANY CRIME COMMITTED AGAINST THEM.
GABE CAPUTO: AND, MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN WANT THAT RIGHT, SO NOW WE ASK YOU HEY DO YOU WANT THIS BEFORE WE HAND THAT OUT, SO WE ALL HAVE BUSINESS CARDS AND.
GABE CAPUTO: I UNDERSTAND THE PIECE OF THAT PROFESSIONAL PIECE OF HANDING THE BUSINESS CARD BRINGS TO THE TABLE, BUT THERE'S ALSO THAT PIECE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
GABE CAPUTO: WHICH FEELS LIKE IF YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, YOU MIGHT BE OPENING US UP FOR THINGS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO OPEN UP FOR SO THERE'S A FINE LINE THERE SO MAYBE IT'S WE FALL MORE TOWARDS THAT YOU KNOW BEST PRACTICE OF MAYBE IDENTIFYING OURSELVES WHERE PEOPLE ASK US, YOU KNOW.
GABE CAPUTO: PART OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING AS A COPY DO A CAR STOPS YOU IDENTIFY WHO YOU ARE, YOU KNOW THE TACTIC PLC RIGHT PLEASE BLAH BLAH RIGHT AND I STOP YOU FOR SUCH AND SUCH YOU KNOW.
GABE CAPUTO: SO THAT'S ALWAYS YOUR FIRST THING AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, BUT IF PEOPLE WANT MORE INFORMATION I.
GABE CAPUTO: GOT IT I, I THINK WE JUST RELY ON THE BEST PRACTICE, LIKE IT MAKES SENSE, AND I MEAN I DON'T THINK ANY OF US REALLY MIND HANDING OUT BUSINESS CARDS IT JUST I THINK THERE'S A TIME AND PLACE FOR IT AS WELL.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO IF WE MODIFY THAT SECOND BIT TO BE.
GUY DEMPSEY: RCP SHOULD ENCOURAGE OFFICERS TO TO DISTRIBUTE BUSINESS CARDS, YOU KNOW.
GUY DEMPSEY: AS APPROPRIATE.
GUY DEMPSEY: IS IS THAT THE RECOMMENDATION OR IS I'M MISCHARACTERIZING BUT THE CONVERSATIONS BEEN.
COREY STARK: IT CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION.
COREY STARK: AND THIS IS MORE PROCEDURAL IF SOMEONE'S YOU KNOW THE JOKE WAS YOU KNOW.
COREY STARK: OFFICER WHO, WHATEVER HERE'S MY BUSINESS CARD AND YOU'RE BEING ARRESTED, FOR WHICH I THOUGHT WAS FUNNY BUT THEN LEADS ME TO THE NEXT POINT IF YOU DO ARREST SOMEONE YOU HAND THEM A BUSINESS CARD DON'T THEY LOSE IT WHEN THEY GOING TO JAIL.
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GABE CAPUTO: WELL, I MEAN ON A ON A PIECE OF PAPER IF YOU'RE A REST OF THE TICKET YOU GET WILL HAVE WOULD HAVE MY NAME AND RANK ON IT SO AT A MINIMUM YOU'LL HAVE THAT ABOUT ME. GABE CAPUTO: SO.
COREY STARK: IS IT IS IT LEGIBLE.
GABE CAPUTO: THAT'S THE QUIET YEAH.
GABE CAPUTO: IT WAS.
GABE CAPUTO: NO, NO, NO, IT SHOULD BE YOU YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN A TICKET LATELY.
LISA DOMINICI: NO, I WAS GONNA SAY I THINK SOME OF THE SPEEDING.
GABE CAPUTO: IF YOU GET A TICKET NOW HIS COMPUTER RIGHT, SO THE BOTTOM OF THE TICKET WILL SAY YOU KNOW DETECT D DETECTIVE, THEN IT WOULD SAY CAPUTO RIGHT, AND THEN I WOULD SIGN MY NAME ABOVE IT SO THERE'S A PRINT VERSION.
GABE CAPUTO: OF IT AND THEN THERE'S A HANDWRITTEN VERSION OF IT, SO THERE HAS TO BE BOTH ON TICKETS NOW.
GABE CAPUTO: EVEN WHEN YOU GIVE A DESK APPEARANCE TICKET WHICH THAT'S ALL HANDWRITTEN THEY'RE STILL WHERE YOU PRINT YOUR NAME AND THEN YOU SIGN, SO THIS SHOULD BE LEGIBLE AND EVERYTHING NOW WITH HOW THINGS ARE GOING, MORE DIGITAL.
LISA DOMINICI: SO ROB YOUR HAND WAS UP BEFORE DID YOU.
ROB FALK: I'M JUST GONNA BE BACK ON AGAIN THERE I I DON'T I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH OFFICERS, YOU KNOW HANDING OUT BUSINESS CARDS, I THINK IT THE IDEA BEHIND IT IS GOOD, I WOULD STAY AWAY FROM MAKING IT MANDATORY.
ROB FALK: THERE'S CERTAINLY NOT EVERY TRAFFIC STOP OR YOU'RE HELPING SOMEBODY IN A YOU'RE NOT THERE BECAUSE OF A GOOD REASON.
ROB FALK: AND YOU KNOW, THE END OF THE DAY, HERE'S MY BUSINESS CARD GIVE ME A CALL IF YOU HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS MIGHT JUST REIGNITE A WHOLE UGLIER SITUATION SO JUST LEAVING IT UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE OFFICER WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST.
COREY STARK: THE IDEA IS BEING ABLE TO MAKE THE COMPLAINT, THOUGH RIGHT IDENTIFYING THE PERSON YOU'RE MAKING THE COMPLAINT ABOUT.
ROB FALK: RIGHT IN IT AND THAT'S FINE I THERE'S A.
ROB FALK: PLENTY OF WAYS TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE OFFICER WAS IF YOU REALLY FEEL THE OFFICERS TRYING TO HIDE FROM THEM.
ROB FALK: THE AMOUNT OF COMPLAINTS THAT WE GET COREY COMING IN HERE.
ROB FALK: I YOU KNOW IT'S A SERIOUS COMPLAINT HAS TO BE SIGNED A LOT OF THEM ARE JUST PEOPLE FELT THAT THEY DIDN'T.
ROB FALK: THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LAW OF THE PROCESS AND THEY'RE JUST HERE TO REALLY MOAN AND GROAN ABOUT THE TICKET THEY WERE ISSUED AND THAT'S REALLY A FUNCTION OF THE COURT.
ROB FALK: AND THAT'S WHERE THEIR STORY HAS TO BE TOLD AND MORE YOU DRAG IT OUT, THE MORE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THERE'S MORE OF A CHANCE FOR A DISAGREEMENT THAT ESCALATE AND YOU DON'T REALLY NEED THAT.
LISA DOMINICI: AMANDA CAROLINA AND JAMIE.
AMANDA YANNETT: UM I REALLY LIKE WHAT JAMIE SAID ABOUT JUST HAVING IT BE LIKE A BEST PRACTICE SORT OF MATTER, I ALSO THINK, LIKE IN REGARDS TO THE ARREST COMMENTS LIKE.
AMANDA YANNETT: MAYBE THAT'S NOT A TIME WHERE IT'S MANDATORY YOU'RE PASSING IT OUT, BUT MAYBE IT'S KIND OF THOSE OTHER INTERACTIONS.
AMANDA YANNETT: BECAUSE I GET IT, IF SOMEONE WAS BEING ARRESTED, THE LAST THING THEY'RE PROBABLY THINKING ABOUT IS COLLECTING THE OFFICERS BUSINESS CARD ALSO ON THEIR END AND AND TO KOREA'S POINT SO.
AMANDA YANNETT: I THINK, THOUGH, THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER TIMES, WHERE THE BUSINESS CARD PRACTICE COULD BE A REALLY GREAT PRACTICE TO TO HAVE OFFICERS DOING AND AND AGAIN IT GOES BACK TO.
AMANDA YANNETT: JAMIE'S EXAMPLE IT'S NOT LIKE AN OFFICER HAS TO PASS A BUSINESS CARD OUT IF WE RUN INTO THEM AT THE MARINA THE MILTON MARINA.
AMANDA YANNETT: LIKE IT'S IT'S I THINK WE'RE KIND OF ALMOST OVERTHINKING IT IN A WAY, TO BE HONEST, LIKE A PART OF ME JUST USE IT AS JUST HAVING IT BE LIKE A BEST PRACTICE WHERE IT'S JUST PART OF LIKE A ROUTINE AND AND KIND OF HELP PREVENT.
AMANDA YANNETT: PEOPLE HAVING TO JUMP THROUGH HOOPS IF THEY WANT TO MAKE A COMPLETE UM AND ALSO, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS FORM ALSO HAVE AN OPTION FOR PEOPLE TO SUBMIT COMPLIMENTS, NOT JUST COMPLAINTS.
GUY DEMPSEY: INDEED.
GUY DEMPSEY: CAROLINA.
ROB FALK: I JUST GO BACK TO THE COMPLIMENTS AND OFFICER COULD HAVE 10 OR 15 COMPLIMENTS THAT ONLY TAKES ONE COMPLAINT THEY'LL RESELL THE OTHERS, SO YOU DON'T GET A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS FROM PEOPLE THAT COME RUSHING IN ONE PRODUCE DOING DAY TO DAY ENFORCEMENT.
GUY DEMPSEY: CAROLINA YOUR HANDS UP.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: YEP HOW ABOUT JUST PROPOSING INSTEAD OF GIVING OUT.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: THE CARD JUST MAKING IT PART OF THE SPIEL IF YOU WISH TO MAKE A COMPLAINT, PLEASE GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND YOU WILL FIND A FORM THERE IF YOU WISH TO PAY US A COMPLIMENT, PLEASE DO THE SAME, I THINK THAT YOU KNOW IT'S PART OF THE SPIEL THAT THE OFFICER IS ALWAYS SAYING.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WOULD IT BE SUFFICIENT.
COREY STARK: I.
GUY DEMPSEY: DON'T THINK WE HIT, WE, THE RECOMMENDATION AS ORIGINATED DOES NOT INCLUDE THE OFFICER INVITING COMPLIMENTS OR COMPLAINTS.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE HANDING THE HANDING A BUSINESS CARD, WHICH IS A MORE NEUTRAL ACT SIMPLY PROVIDES BETTER INFORMATION FROM SOMEONE WHO IS INCLINED TO GIVE A COMPLIMENT OR A COMPLAINT, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE DICTATING SPEEDS, AT THE END OF THE POLICE INTERACTION.
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COREY STARK: I SEE NOT JUST THAT WE I'M SORRY GOOD. JAMIE JENSEN: I I I'M NOT GONNA FIGHT OVER THIS OVER THIS, I, LIKE THE RISE CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT TO FOLLOW WHAT'S CONSIDERED BEST PRACTICE IN THE FIELD.
JAMIE JENSEN: AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE BIG RECOMMENDATIONS IN 2015 FOR COMMUNITY POLICING.
JAMIE JENSEN: AND IT'S NOT MANDATORY IT SHOULDN'T CREATE I UNDERSTAND IT'S IT'S EASIER TO BE A FIREMAN THAN IT IS TO BE A POLICE OFFICERS FIREMEN ALWAYS GET LIKE OH YOU SAVED US AND POLICEMEN ARE ALWAYS LIKE OH YOU STOPPED US I GET IT, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE BEAUTY.
JAMIE JENSEN: AND PART IF YOU DON'T MAKE A POLLYANNA ISH AND YOU UNDERSTAND THAT CAN BE PLACING IT'S LIKE I KEEP IN SHAPE HE GETS OUT HERE, SO I FEEL BADLY BUT I'M TRYING TO THINK I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER SHEET STORY WHEN HE SAID HE GOT STOPPED THEM AMERICA AMERICA NEXT.
JAMIE JENSEN: HE'S A MAN OF COLOR HE'S SUCCESSFUL IN RY HE'S DRIVING A BMW AND THE POLICE OFFICER, HE SAYS IS THIS YOUR CAR.
JAMIE JENSEN: NOW, IF THAT POLICE OFFICER HAD JUST SAID, OH, BY THE WAY, MY NAME IS SO AND SO AND HERE'S MY BUSINESS CARD AT ANY TIME, OH THANKS FOR THE QUESTION HE MIGHT NOT HAVE THOUGHT.
JAMIE JENSEN: OF AS MICRO AGGRESSIONS YOU MIGHT IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN AS PAINFUL TO EXPERIENCE BECAUSE.
JAMIE JENSEN: THE POLICE OFFICER, AND I THINK I ACTUALLY THINK GAVE GETS THIS, I THINK THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS GET GET THIS THEY'RE REALLY GOOD ABOUT COMMUNITY RELATIONS.
JAMIE JENSEN: BUT I JUST WANT THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PICK ON THE PLACE WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE OUR COMMUNITY TO GO LOOK AT ALL THESE GREAT PRACTICES.
JAMIE JENSEN: I THINK SHE DID I WOULD WISH, SHE WAS HERE, I LIKE IF SOMEBODY IF SOMEBODY TREATED ME AFTER THEY SAID THEY MADE ME A LITTLE SCARED.
JAMIE JENSEN: OR THEY SAID SOMETHING AND THEN THEY PUT THE GAVE ME THEIR CARD AND SAID, YOU KNOW I'M OFFICER SO AND SO HERE'S MY CARD IF YOU'RE LIKE WHATEVER I WOULD FEEL BETTER SO.
AMANDA YANNETT: SO I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY RESPOND TO THE POINT ABOUT SHAHID SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT STORY IN THAT INTERACTION AND THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING HE'S BROUGHT UP IS ACTUALLY LIKE KNOWING THE NAMES OF COPS THAT HE'S INTERACTED WITH.
AMANDA YANNETT: AND SO THE BUSINESS CARD WOULD HELP THAT MATTER BECAUSE HE'D BE ABLE TO REMEMBER.
AMANDA YANNETT: THE NAME.
GUY DEMPSEY: BUT I'M SEEING THE GROUP PROPOSAL IS TO.
GUY DEMPSEY: MODIFY THE BUSINESS CARD ELEMENT TO BE SIMPLY RIGHT POLICE SHOULD.
GUY DEMPSEY: ENCOURAGE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOULD ENCOURAGE THE POLICE OFFICERS TO TO JUST CREATE BUSINESS CARDS, AS APPROPRIATE.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT WOULD THAT COVER EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS.
COREY STARK: I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY SAYS ANYTHING QUITE FRANKLY.
LISA DOMINICI: SORRY, I SEE INGRAM'S HAND UP, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE.
GUY DEMPSEY: THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: YEAH I AGREE WITH THEM JAMIE IN THE WAYS LIKE THEM IT'S BECOMING A MOOT POINT NOW FOR ME, I AGREE WITH HER, THOUGH, BECAUSE, AS YOU SAY, IF I GOT STOPPED, I KNOW I RAN STOPS ON YEARS AGO RIGHT THERE IN THE.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: TRAIN STATION, AND WHEN I GOT PULLED OVER BY THE COP I REALLY DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS WAS MEGA YEARS AGO.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: BUT HE WASN'T NASTY WITH ME AND I UNDERSTOOD IT, EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT I RAN THE STOP SIGN, I TOOK THE TICKET, SO WHAT I KEEP HEARING IS THAT.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: IT YOU GOT IT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES ROB YOU JUMPING ON THE DEFENSE JUST LIKE YOU SAID IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A BAD THING IT DOESN'T HAVE TO IF IF A RIDE PD PULLED ME OVER AND SAID AND I GO OH MY GOD WHAT WHAT NOW AND I'M OFF COLOR AND HE SAYS HI.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: DID YOU KNOW THAT YOUR BACKLIGHT WAS OUT.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: NO, I KNOW I DIDN'T KNOW YOU KNOW YOU I KNOW YOU GET A TICKET FOR THAT OKAY, SO IF HE'S EXPLAINING IT TO ME NICELY IT'S JUST TONE TO IT.
ROB FALK: WE'RE NOT GONNA GET A TICKET FOR ME AND GRUB.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: I HOPE.
ROB FALK: I GAVE A WARNING TO MY MOTHER.
COREY STARK: TO ME AS WELL RIGHT.
YEAH.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: THAT IS SO IMPORTANT, YOUR POSTURE IF ACCOMPLISH STANDING IN LINE YEAH YOU KNOW, OR YOU SAY LIKE YOU KNOW, DID YOU KNOW YOU BACK TAIL LIGHT IS OUT OR YOUR PLATE IS OFF OR.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: YOU KNOW, OR YOU RAN THAT STOP SIGN I YOU SEE PERSONALLY FOR ME, EVEN IF I WASN'T LIVING IN THIS COMMUNITY IF I WAS TREATED WRONG AND HE DIDN'T GIVE ME A CARD THEN I'M GOING TO FIND YOUR STATION NOW I'M GONNA GO ON TO TALK TO THE DEATH.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: THAT FOR ME SO AND YOU DON'T KNOW YOU MIGHT RUN INTO LIKE THAT, BUT.
IT'S.
ROB FALK: EVERYBODY'S GETTING A GARDEN, WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR.
NOT.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: BUT LIKE JAMIE YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S LIKE YOU KNOW IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE NICE CARD, YOU MIGHT GET MORE COMPLIMENTS YOU DON'T KNOW THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY, BUT.
LISA DOMINICI: I'M JUST GONNA RECOGNIZE THAT DAN HAS HIS HAND UP AND THEN.
DANIEL LOVE: YOU CAN WE SIMPLY SAY HERE THAT WE RECOMMEND THE USE OF BUSINESS CARDS IN THESE INTERACTIONS AS A BEST PRACTICE.
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ROB FALK: JUST I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION LET'S MOVE ON. DANIEL LOVE: I KNOW THEY.
DANIEL LOVE: GAVE ME A TICKET I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THE ONE WHO JUST GAVE ME A WARNING AND.
ROB FALK: AND INGRAM.
ROB FALK: STOP SIGN IT.
ROB FALK: AT SEVEN MILES AN HOUR.
GUY DEMPSEY: HE CAUGHT CURRENT YEARNING TO ADD TO THE END POINT.
COREY STARK: NO, I WAS, I WAS HOPING TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR BUT DAN DID IT MUCH BETTER THAN I WOULD HAVE.
GREAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: ALRIGHT, I WILL WILL TAKE THAT ON BOARD AND SO WILL WILL BE GETTING A REVISED SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AFTER THIS MEETING AND CANNOT GIVE IT A LAST CHECK.
GUY DEMPSEY: IT TAKES US TO 15 AND 16 THAT ARE THAT ARE RELATED.
GUY DEMPSEY: SEPARATE BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL TECHNICAL POINT OF DON'T WE WEREN'T SURE WHO OWNS THE EFFECTIVELY THE WEBSITE, AND YOU KNOW WHO HAS TO DO WHAT TO MAKE ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE WEBSITE.
GUY DEMPSEY: GREG, PERHAPS YOU COULD CLARIFY WHETHER IT IS DOES EACH DEPARTMENT WORK THEIR OWN WEBSITE AFTER YOU SORT OF GIVE THEM ACCESS OR DO YOU OR DO YOU DO EVERYTHING CENTRALLY.
GREG USRY: IT'S GUIDES IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A HODGEPODGE SO I MEAN WE KNOW IT'S THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND THEN VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.
GREG USRY: WILL WORK WITH US, WITH THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS OUT OF THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO KIND OF REFINE BASED ON WHAT'S NEEDED BUT.
GREG USRY: BUT WE ARE, AS I MAY HAVE SAID IN ONE OF THE OTHER SUBCOMMITTEES WE'RE DOING A MASSIVE REVIEW AND PROBABLY AN OVERHAUL OF THE ENTIRE CITY WEBSITE SO.
GREG USRY: YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION IN WHATEVER FORMAT, YOU WANT TO WHETHER IT'S DIRECT TO THAT THE PV OR AT THE CITY IT ALL ENDS UP BEING YOU KNOW DONE THE SAME WAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: ALL RIGHT, THEN WE SHOULD DEFINITELY COMBINE THE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS AS A AS A PROCEDURAL MATTER, BUT THEN WE HAVE A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT.
GUY DEMPSEY: PUBLICIZING INFORMATION.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE ONE THAT I WOULD FLAG, THE FLAG AS HAVING BEEN THE TOPIC OF SOME DISCUSSION IN SUBCOMMITTEES ONE IS.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE PUBLISHING OF OF.
GUY DEMPSEY: POLICIES AND I THINK THE DISTINCTION THAT WE WERE INTENDING TO MAKE THERE IS THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: THE POLICIES COULD BE MADE PUBLIC, BUT NOT THE OPERATIONAL PROCEDURES.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT THE POLICE FOLLOW.
GUY DEMPSEY: IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE, WE NEED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAN WE SHOULD MAKE IT, BUT THE USEFUL IN ONE OF JUST POLICIES AND NOT PROCEDURES, WAS IT WAS INTENTIONAL AND THEN THERE'S THERE'S SOME BRACKETED LANGUAGE IN ITEM SEVEN.
GUY DEMPSEY: ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S BIOGRAPHICAL DETAILS OF THE OFFICERS, PUBLISHED ON THE WEBSITE, AS OPPOSED TO SIMPLY NAMES AND AND ORGANIZATION CHARTS BUT I OPEN UP FOR ANY COMMENTS ON THE CONTENT OR THE PROCESS OF THE WEBSITE IMPROVEMENTS.
GREG USRY: THANK YOU GOT THE MAYOR.
GUY DEMPSEY: LIKE GO JOSH.
JOSH COHN: I WOULD JUST ASK ROB AND GAVE THE DISTINCTION, I KNOW, THERE WAS A CONCERN ON THE PART OF THE POLICE.
JOSH COHN: ABOUT REVEALING CALL THEM POLICIES OR PROCEDURES BUT ITEMS THAT MIGHT COMPROMISE OFFICER SAFETY, I THINK.
JOSH COHN: GUY IS SUGGESTING THAT THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES MIGHT BE INTENDED TO F TAKEN CARE OF THAT CONCERN, SO MY MY QUESTION IS A HALFWAY TAKEN CARE OF THE OFFICER SAFETY CONCERN.
GABE CAPUTO: YEAH IF YOU IF YOU SEPARATE LIKE SAY GENERAL ORDERS VERSUS.
GABE CAPUTO: OPERATING PROCEDURES US THEN.
GABE CAPUTO: YOU ELIMINATE THE OFFICER SAFETY RISK SO SEPARATING THEM ABSOLUTELY TAKES CARE OF THAT CONCERN AND THERE SHOULDN'T BE AN ARGUMENT REGARDING THAT THAT'S ANY POLICE AGENCY THAT PUTS THEIR STUFF ONLINE LIKE THAT HAS THAT SEPARATED I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW HARRISON DOES.
A.
JOSH COHN: VERY GOOD.
LISA DOMINICI: AND, AS YOUR HAND UP.
AMANDA YANNETT: YEAH SO SO I'M THAT'S I THINK IS.
AMANDA YANNETT: GREAT THE JUST SEPARATING THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES TO ADDRESS THE SAFETY CONCERN I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT IN REGARDS TO GUY WHAT YOU SAID, FOR NUMBER SEVEN THIS WAS SHAHID RECOMMENDATION AND HIS IDEA BEHIND IT WAS CREATING.
AMANDA YANNETT: ORGANIZATIONAL CHART ON LIKE THAT HOMEPAGE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO YOU COULD SEE IT WAS REALLY JUST.
AMANDA YANNETT: RANK NAME AND WHAT DIVISION THERE AND SO OTHER THERE.
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AMANDA YANNETT: I DON'T KNOW PATROL OR. AMANDA YANNETT: DETECTIVE LIEUTENANT ETC IT'S JUST LIKE AN OVERVIEW CHART IT WOULDN'T BE VERY DETAILED YOU'RE JUST REALLY BE AN OVERVIEW CHART SO YOU COULD SEE HOW OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, WAS WHAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS MADE UP OF.
AMANDA YANNETT: SO JUST TO EXPLAIN THAT RECOMMENDATION.
LISA DOMINICI: THANK YOU ANGRY IS YOUR HAND UP OR IS THAT FROM BEFORE BEFORE OKAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE WEBSITE IMPROVEMENTS.
TED LIVINGSTON: YOU KNOW JUST ONE THING QUICKLY, SO I HOPE WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE WITH BIOGRAPH OF BIOGRAPHICAL DETAILS.
TED LIVINGSTON: RIGHT ROB I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A PRUDENT THING.
ROB FALK: NO, I DON'T.
ROB FALK: THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA I DON'T SHARE IT HERE ON MINE.
LISA DOMINICI: YA KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE THE RECOMMENDATION AS AMANDA JUST SAID IS JUST IT COULD SAY OUR CPD SHOULD PUBLISH AN ORGANIZATIONAL CHART AND ALYSSA PERSONNEL WITH YOU KNOW NAME RANK AND DIVISION.
SUSAN WATSON: PICTURES.
AMANDA YANNETT: NO, NO, NO.
AMANDA YANNETT: THERE'S JUST AN IDEA OF JUST NAMES RANK AND DIVISION THAT WAS IT SO WE CAN TAKE OUT BIOGRAPHICAL DETAIL.
AMANDA YANNETT: THAT ONE ARE WORKING.
AMANDA YANNETT: ON AND WE DIDN'T KNOW SUGGEST PICTURES AS WELL.
GUY DEMPSEY: SORRY, EIGHT EIGHT IS.
GUY DEMPSEY: IS WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR PICTURES.
LISA DOMINICI: AND WE'RE YEAH WE'RE TALKING SO NUMBER SEVEN IS JUST NAMED RICK DIVISION, WE TAKE OUT BIOGRAPHICAL INFO.
TED LIVINGSTON: THANK YOU.
AMANDA YANNETT: HE WAS SHE NEEDS RECOMMENDATION OF HAVING A PICTURE OF LIKE THE TOP TOP PEOPLE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO THAT THERE IS A FACE TO THEM.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO THE.
GUY DEMPSEY: GUESS THERE'S THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD JUST BE THE COMMANDERS AND WHAT IS IT THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND.
AMANDA YANNETT: YEAH COMMAND.
ROB FALK: I WOULD NOT, I VERDE QUESTIONED MY UPPER COMMAND AND.
ROB FALK: FROM MOST OF OUR TRAINING BACK MANY YEARS AGO AND SOME CURRENT THE FBI RECOMMENDS THAT YOU DO NOT PROMOTE YOUR PICTURES OUT ON A WEB PAGE.
ROB FALK: AND NOT TO WEAR UNIFORMS ARE EVEN T SHIRTS SWEATSHIRTS THAT PROMOTE MAYBE THE HIGH SCHOOL YOU ATTENDED OR THE COLLEGE YOU ATTENDED OR WHAT YOUR ORGANIZATION'S YOU MIGHT BE INVOLVED IN.
ROB FALK: JUST BECAUSE THE OTHER ELEMENT OUT THERE SOMETIMES DOES NOT TOO PLEASANT THINGS WITH IT, I UNDERSTAND A PERSONAL FEELING OF LOOKING AT IT, BUT.
ROB FALK: AND MYSELF PERSONALLY, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I DON'T CARE IF MY PICTURES ON THE FRONT PAGE OR NOT I'D LIKE TO TRY TO HIDE IT AND KEEP IT AWAY FROM THE FRONT PAGE.
ROB FALK: BUT I WOULD BE NEGATIVE AND I'M SPEAKING UP FOR THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE.
ROB FALK: ALREADY QUESTIONED HERE AT HEADQUARTERS, NOT TO GO WITH PICTURES.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO, WHY WOULD ANYBODY OBJECT TO ELIMINATING POINT EIGHT IN THE WEBSITE.
COREY STARK: CAN I CAN I JUST UNDERSTAND ROB IS THAT A SAFETY ISSUE.
ROB FALK: YEAH YEAH IT'S A SAFETY.
ROB FALK: TRACING ISSUE I DO.
COREY STARK: YEAH.
ROB FALK: I'M IN FAVOR OF IT THAN THAT YEAH I MEAN I.
ROB FALK: USED TO WORK AT A LOCAL APPLE ORCHARD, AND THEY WERE THERE T SHIRT AND AND ONE FBI AGENT THAT I BECAME VERY FRIENDLY WITH WAS.
ROB FALK: BIZARRE AT ME DOING THAT BECAUSE IT'S THE PLACE THAT THEY COULD FIND ME OFF DUTY AND CREATE PROBLEMS FOR ME.
ROB FALK: AT THE TIME I WAS A YOUNG COP, I WILL YOU KNOW WHAT'S THIS GUY TALKING ABOUT WHO'S GONNA LOOK FOR ME IN AN APPLE FARM.
AMANDA YANNETT: SO, OUT OF ALL OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS, THIS IS NOT NEARLY AS I MEAN I DON'T THIS WAS SHE HAD RECOMMENDATIONS I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR HIM, BUT MY PERSONAL OPINION I'M ALSO FINE WITH US TAKING THIS ONE OUT.
LISA DOMINICI: IS ANYONE OPPOSED TO US TAKING THIS OH.
GUY DEMPSEY: OK OK.
GUY DEMPSEY: 17 WE'VE WE'VE DEALT WITH, AND THESE TEAMS AND.
GUY DEMPSEY: SORT OF THE BIT OF A HODGEPODGE HERE, YOU SEE ONE ONE INTO ONE AND THREE ARE DIFFERENT THAN PAY THEM TO.
GUY DEMPSEY: I GUESS.
GUY DEMPSEY: I'M NOT SURE WHAT WHAT WHAT CITY RIGHT CURRENTLY DOES OR IT'S POLICE OFFICERS UNDER ONE.
GUY DEMPSEY: OR TWO AND THREE, IS IT SORT OF ADDICTIVE IN A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BENEFIT THAN THAN ONE.
LISA DOMINICI: SO ACTUALLY MENTAL HEALTH FIRST AID USED TO BE IN THIS SECTION ALSO I GUESS IT WAS MOVED TO THE TRAINING SECTION, BUT I ALSO THINK IT SHOULD STILL BE LISTED UNDER THIS PROMOTING WELL WELL BEING OF OFFICERS, BECAUSE.
LISA DOMINICI: IT HELPS THEIR MENTAL HEALTH AND ADDICTION AND GIVES THEM AWARENESS OF HOW TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGES DURING A SITUATION, SO I JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ADDED BACK INTO THIS SECTION.
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GUY DEMPSEY: SO RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT OFFICERS. LISA DOMINICI: THE ENTIRE FOUR SHOULD BE TRAINED IN MENTAL HEALTH FIRST AID.
JOSH COHN: HEY I THINK WE HAVE THAT IS.
LISA DOMINICI: WELL, WE HAVE THAT IN THE SUGGESTED TRAINING, BUT NOT UNDER.
LISA DOMINICI: IT'S IMPORTANT, I THINK, TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT JUST.
LISA DOMINICI: TRAINING FOR BEST PRACTICES IN THE FIELD IS ACTUALLY IT'S GOING TO ENABLE THEM TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES AND THEIR PEERS, WHO ARE EXPERIENCING MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGE.
GUY DEMPSEY: I GUESS, I THOUGHT THE THIS IS WAS DIRECTED TOWARDS MORE LIKE A HEALTH BENEFIT.
LISA DOMINICI: EXACTLY THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD BE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD ENABLE AN OFFICER TO IDENTIFY ONE ONE OF THEIR.
LISA DOMINICI: COLLEAGUES, OR THEMSELVES IS EXPERIENCING WHAT THE SCIENCE SAYS LIKE SCIENCES SYMPTOMS AND UNDERSTANDING AND UNDERSTANDING HOW TO GET THE CARE.
LISA DOMINICI: THAT KIND OF I THINK YOU SHOULD KIND OF CARE.
GUY DEMPSEY: ABOUT FOLLOWING WITH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE'S THERE HAPPENS TO BE A VERY USEFUL BYPRODUCT OF THE PROFESSIONAL TRAINING, THEY WOULD.
GUY DEMPSEY: GET ON MENTAL HEALTH.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT THEY COULD APPLY TO THEIR OWN CIRCUMSTANCES, OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR.
GUY DEMPSEY: MENTAL.
LISA DOMINICI: JUST SAYING I'D LIKE TO SEE IN BOTH PLACES IT IS A IT IS IT'S NOT JUST A BYPRODUCT IT'S ACTUALLY A DIRECT.
GABE CAPUTO: BOOK I HELP YOU OUT LISA.
GABE CAPUTO: SURE, ALL RIGHT.
GABE CAPUTO: THERE'S TWO THERE'S REALLY TWO DIFFERENT TRAININGS HERE I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
GABE CAPUTO: THERE'S A TRAINING FROM THE MENTAL HEALTH PEACE THAT'S IN THE GENERAL TRAININGS THAT WE WOULD GET AS AN OFFICER TO DEAL WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED.
GABE CAPUTO: OUT ON THE ROAD AND THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THAT, THEN THERE'S A DIFFERENT TRAINING THAT YOU GET THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OUR OFFICERS HAVE GONE TO.
GABE CAPUTO: WHERE YOU SPEND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT IS BUT IT'S A FEW DAYS, TRAINING, I BELIEVE LISA YOU CAN HAVE THIS TRAINING, WHERE YOU GO THROUGH, AND YOU LEARN HOW TO IDENTIFY DIFFERENT THINGS.
GABE CAPUTO: THAT WOULD SAY HEY MAYBE THAT GUY IS HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE AND I NEED TO CHECK ON HIM SO THAT'S A WAY FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO CHECK ON ROB.
GABE CAPUTO: YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHATEVER HAPPENED, YOU KNOW WE EXPERIENCED A BAD CAR CRASH, AND YOU KNOW, FOR SOME REASON HE'S HAVING FLASHBACKS AND DIFFERENT THINGS, AND THESE THINGS CHANGE.
ROB FALK: NOW, IF ANYTHING, TO GET RID OF ME.
GABE CAPUTO: EXACTLY THOSE WHOLE REASON WHY PUTTING OUT THERE.
GABE CAPUTO: BUT THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TRAININGS THERE, SO THE ONE LISA'S TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE MORE OF A SPECIALTY TRAINING, WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP EACH.
GABE CAPUTO: OTHER OUT.
GABE CAPUTO: WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT AND MAKE SURE YOU KNOW, THE OLD TERM YOU KNOW GOING POSTAL DOESN'T HAPPEN.
DANIEL LOVE: ABOUT HOW ABOUT PUTTING IN IN THIS ONE THAT IT REFERS BACK TO THE ONE MENTIONED IN SIX I OR WHATEVER IT IS.
GABE CAPUTO: I THINK THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT TRAININGS.
LISA DOMINICI: WELL, ACTUALLY THE BEAUTY, THE BEAUTY, IS THAT IT THE I MEAN I KNOW I'M BEING SUPER SPECIFIC HERE, BUT THE MENTAL HEALTH FIRST AID FIRST AID TRAINING DOES ACCOMPLISH BOTH ECONOMIC.
GABE CAPUTO: YES, YES, IT DOES, BUT THERE'S FROM.
GABE CAPUTO: POLICE STANDPOINT I'M SAYING THAT THERE IS.
GABE CAPUTO: A THIS IS KIND OF WHERE I COME FROM IN THE WORLD, MY WORLD OF EDUCATION.
GABE CAPUTO: THERE'S A TRAINING THAT APPLIES TO COPS AND WHAT WE DO, WHICH WOULD BE FIRST AID MENTAL HEALTH, WHICH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHAT THE COPS NEED WE ALL NEED IT AND DURING WITH EDP AND THERE'S A TOTALLY SEPARATE TRAINING THAT IS ALREADY.
COREY STARK: OUT THERE AND HAS AUTHORED.
GABE CAPUTO: TWO POLICE OFFICERS THAT COPS IDENTIFY THE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES THAT WE AS COPS WILL EXPERIENCE FROM THE STUFF THAT WE DO DAY TO DAY.
GABE CAPUTO: DAWSON THOSE TRAININGS ARE VALUABLE AND THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE TRAININGS.
LISA DOMINICI: ON IT.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO WAY THAT'S IT FOR CLARIFICATION ON ON ONE IS OTHER COMMENTS AS TERESA AMANDA'S HAND UP.
AMANDA YANNETT: UM SO YEAH I REALLY LIKE WHAT GAVE AND LISA JUST SAID, I DEFINITELY THINK IT SHOULD BE, BUT IN BOTH PLACES I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE OFFICERS TO.
AMANDA YANNETT: HAVE THAT TRAINING AND SUPPORT AND SERVICE AVAILABLE TO THEM AND FOCUSING ON THEIR OWN MENTAL HEALTH, NOT JUST DEALING.
AMANDA YANNETT: WITH PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH MENTAL ILLNESS, BECAUSE THE MENTAL HEALTH TRAININGS THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY COMPLETED.
AMANDA YANNETT: IT IS DIFFERENT, RESPONDING TO SOMEONE YOU DON'T KNOW IN A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS VERSUS RESPONDING TO SOMEONE YOU DO KNOW AND SEE DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
AMANDA YANNETT: THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH MENTAL ILLNESS, SO I APPRECIATE GABE SHARING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO TRAININGS AND SO GIVEN THAT I, I AGREE, EVEN MORE THAT THIS SHOULD BE IN BOTH PLACES THAT THIS SHOULD STAY ITS OWN RECOMMENDATION AT THE BOTTOM.
JOSH COHN: IT SOUNDS AS IF THERE'S THE SECOND TRAINING THAT IS THE TRAINING FOR NUMBER 18 HAS A DIFFERENT NAME DOES IT GAVE WHAT'S THE TRAINING CALLED.
GABE CAPUTO: IT DOES I DON'T KNOW IT OFF TOP MY HEAD, I KNOW THAT IN OUR DEPARTMENT STARTED KENNY AND OFFICER IN CALC TARA HAVE THAT TRAINING THEY WENT OUT TO BUFFALO FOR.
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GABE CAPUTO: I THINK THREE DAYS TO GET THAT TRAINING SO IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC IT'S A IT'S A SPECIALTY TRAINING, JUST LIKE FIREARMS WOULD BE WITHIN OUR WITHIN OUR PROFESSION, I DON'T HAVE IT OFFHAND, BUT I CAN I CAN FIND OUT FIND IT OUT FOR YOU. LISA DOMINICI: WELL, MAYBE THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO JUST SUGGEST THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF TRAINING FOR OFFICERS JUST YOU KNOW SOME SORT OF MENTAL HEALTH.
ROB FALK: WHY DON'T WE PUT IN THERE TO EXPLORE TRAINING.
LISA DOMINICI: CAROLINA.
LISA DOMINICI: YOUR HANDS BEEN RAISED.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: YES, I'M STRUGGLING WITH I LIKE THAT RECOMMENDATION I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THE CITY OF RYE, OR IF IT SHOULD BE THERE, OR I DON'T KNOW IF I MIGHT THE RECOMMENDATION I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT PLACE FOR IT, THOUGH.
BEN STACKS: I GUESS, TO THE EXTENT THAT IT THAT IT WOULD COST MORE MONEY OR BE OUTSIDE OF THE BUDGET, OR SOMETHING I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE AN ALLOWANCE FOR.
LISA DOMINICI: THAT'S RIGHT.
BEN STACKS: THEY NEED TO ABSORB THAT.
GABE CAPUTO: IT DEFINITELY IS GOING TO COST YOU MORE MONEY.
AMANDA YANNETT: AND LISA DOMINICI: MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S VERY LIMITED MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT FOR OFFICERS, RIGHT NOW, AND YOU KNOW JUST LOOKING AT DATA AROUND OFFICER MENTAL HEALTH IN THIS COUNTRY.
LISA DOMINICI: YOU KNOW, POLICE OFFICERS HAVE THE HIGHEST RATE OF SUICIDE OF ANY OTHER PROFESSION THEIR RATES OF DEPRESSION ARE.
LISA DOMINICI: RIDICULOUSLY HIGH SO IT'S JUST IT'S AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S RIGHT ACTUALLY I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MENTAL THERE'S NOT MUCH MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT AND RICE NOT BEEN AN ISSUE FOR THEIR OFFICERS, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SUPPORT THEM IN THAT.
LISA DOMINICI: QUARRIES HAND IS UP.
LISA DOMINICI: AMANDA'S HAND IS UP.
COREY STARK: I THINK WE CAN CUT THROUGH THIS REALLY EASILY, I THINK THE MIRROR SUGGESTION ISN'T APPROPRIATE ONE OF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT FORMS OF TRAINING.
COREY STARK: IDENTIFY WHAT THEY ARE, AND I THINK IN TERMS OF WHATEVER ADDITIONAL COST THERE IS FOR THAT, I THINK THAT WE, AS A COMMUNITY SHOULD WANT TO.
COREY STARK: YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THE POLICE WILL FOR THEIR OWN MENTAL HEALTH WELL BEING AND FOR RECOGNITION OF MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, SO I THINK THAT THE EASY SOLVE TO THIS IS JUST TO IDENTIFY IF IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE FIRST DAY OF WHAT IT IS.
AMANDA YANNETT: YEAH I AGREE, AND I WOULD SAY IT'S IN REGARDS TO THE BUDGET, I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT.
AMANDA YANNETT: IS WORTH SPENDING MORE MONEY ON AND GIVEN POINT OF LIKE THE POLICE OFFICERS IN OUR COMMUNITY HELP TAKE CARE AND PROTECT US, WE NEED TO ALSO TRY TO TAKE CARE AND LOOK OUT FOR THEM, AND SO I THINK IT'S WORTH US SPENDING.
AMANDA YANNETT: MONEY ON OFFERING THESE SERVICES TO THEM.
LISA DOMINICI: SO WE CAN FIND OUT FROM OFFICER KENNY GO AHEAD JOSH.
JOSH COHN: I JUST WOULD.
JOSH COHN: LIKE TO SAY THAT PART OF THIS ULTIMATELY.
JOSH COHN: AND WITHOUT REFERRING TO ANY SPECIFIC TRAINING, BECAUSE ALL THE TRAINING THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS CIRCLED SEEMS EXCELLENT AND APPROPRIATE AND WONDERFUL.
JOSH COHN: GREG AND ROB ARE GOING TO HAVE TO AT SOME POINT, TRY TO.
JOSH COHN: COME TO UNDERSTAND THE OVERALL COST OF REALLY EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE PACKAGE, AND THEN OVER TIME, THE CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO TRY TO WRESTLE WITH THE COST AND AND AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST APPLY FUNDS, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S ENTHUSIASM, INCLUDING MY OWN, FOR.
JOSH COHN: FOR TRAINING AND MORE FINANCIAL SUPPORT, ULTIMATELY, IT ALL GOES BACK TO THE TAXPAYERS I'M SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE WE SHOULD RECOMMENDATION BE SHOULD BE TO CONSIDER PROVIDING IS WITH A SPECIFIC TYPE OF TRAINING, WHICH WILL GET THE NAME OUT FROM GAVE.
GUY DEMPSEY: AS OPPOSED TO MANDATE TO PROVIDE THAT TRAINING.
BEN STACKS: THE PUBLIC WILL CERTAINLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS, I MEAN IF THERE'S A.
BEN STACKS: 10% INCREASE TO THE POLICE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS EVERY YEAR THAT FOLKS CAN COME IN AND TALK ABOUT IT AND IT'S A COLLECTIVE DECISION THAT THE TOWN CAN MAKE ABOUT SPENDING MORE MONEY FOR THIS SO IT'S THERE WILL BE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
JOSH COHN: CORRECT.
GUY DEMPSEY: BUT WHAT DOES, HOW DOES THE RECOMMENDATION TO BE WORDED, THOUGH.
GUY DEMPSEY: YOU SHOULD CONSIDER OR IS IT SHOULD BE DONE.
LISA DOMINICI: WELL, I THINK, CONSIDER IS FINE, I MEAN THEY SHOULD CONSIDER IT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WELL.
BEN STACKS: THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION RIGHT.
LISA DOMINICI: IT IS A RECOMMENDATION.
BEN STACKS: FROM THIS COMMITTEES, MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IT.
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GUY DEMPSEY: THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY. TED LIVINGSTON: YOU KNOW WHAT WORKS FOR ME.
OKAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: EIGHT HIM TO.
GUY DEMPSEY: WAIT MAYBE WE JUMPED THREE SAME SAME KIND OF ISSUE, THERE WAS A CONSIDER PROVIDING.
GUY DEMPSEY: THERE'S AN OBVIOUS COST ISSUE THERE.
GUY DEMPSEY: IS EVERYBODY OKAY, WITH THE WAY THREE IS CURRENTLY WORD.
NO.
SUSAN WATSON: I CAN'T RAISE MY HAND ON THE SCREEN.
SUSAN WATSON: I THINK I THINK THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RYE.
SUSAN WATSON: RYE, WHY AND THE GOLF CLUB, FIRST OF ALL, THE ECONOMICS ARE DIFFERENT, THE PRICE THE PRICES ARE DIFFERENT THAT'S FIRST FIRST THING IS HUGE DIFFERENTIAL PRICE.
SUSAN WATSON: SECONDLY, THE ECONOMICS OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS ARE DIFFERENT, BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT ONE MORE PERSON ON A TREADMILL BUT YOU CAN'T BACK UP A GOLF COURSE LIKE THAT, SO THAT GETS TO BE A VERY SPECIFIC CROWDING ISSUE AND WE ALREADY HAVE A WHITELIST ACCORDING TO CAROLINA AND FINALLY.
SUSAN WATSON: GOING TO THE GYM IS YOU KNOW, FOR ME, A MENTAL HEALTH THING I THINK IT'S A HEALTHY THING IN GENERAL AND IT'S A SWIMMING POOL IT'S CLASSES IT'S.
SUSAN WATSON: IT'S THE GYM ITSELF WHERE YOU'RE INTERACTING IN GENERALLY CLOSER QUARTERS WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THE CITY, THE GOLF COURSE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE THAT.
SUSAN WATSON: AND, AND I THINK I THINK THEY'RE THEY'RE VASTLY DIFFERENT, AND I WOULD SUPPORT FINDING A NONPROFIT GOFUNDME EFFORT TO FUND MEMBERSHIPS FOR ALL THE COPS IN THE RYE, WHY, BUT I THINK THE GOLF CLUB IS A BRIDGE TOO FAR.
LISA DOMINICI: EARLY INTO YOUR HANDS UP.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: I WOULD SUGGEST WE ASK THE OFFICERS, WHAT KIND OF THINGS WOULD THEY LIKE, AND THEN WE CAN SEE WHAT WE CAN AFFORD, BUT IF WE ASK THEM FIRST I DON'T KNOW IF THE TOY YES BRINGS A GOLF CLUB OR.
CAROLINA JOHNSON: YOU KNOW I I DON'T LIKE TO GO FISHING OR MAYBE BETTER OR SOMETHING ELSE.
LISA DOMINICI: YEAH SO I JUST GIVE A LITTLE INSIGHT, BECAUSE THIS WAS MY ART MY COMMITTEE AND GAVE DID ACTUALLY WAS PART OF THIS DISCUSSION, NOT THAT HE SPEAKS FOR EVERY OFFICER, BUT REALLY THAT.
LISA DOMINICI: THE IDEA WAS HOW CAN WE PROVIDE A HEALTH BENEFIT RIGHT SO AS SUSAN SAID, YOU KNOW EXERCISES HELPS YOUR MENTAL HEALTH PROVEN FACT.
LISA DOMINICI: AND THEN WE ALSO THOUGHT BY DOING SOMETHING LIKE THE YMCA AND THE GOLF CLUB OKAY, I WAS THINKING MORE POOL AND LESS GOLF BECAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK GOLF, BUT WE ARE THINKING OF ALSO IT WOULD INCREASE OFFICER.
LISA DOMINICI: YOU KNOW.
LISA DOMINICI: COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION RIGHT, IT WOULD PUT THEM WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND BUILD THAT RELATIONSHIP AND TRUST AS WELL, SO IT WAS KIND OF A TWO PRONGED APPROACH BUT.
LISA DOMINICI: MORE THAN THAT, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO THINKING THAT IT WAS A BIT OF A BENEFIT FOR OFFICERS AND IT COULD BE A WAY FOR THE RIGHT PD TO ENHANCE THEIR YOU KNOW TO RECRUIT PEOPLE, IT MIGHT BE ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT WOULD MAKE SOMEONE WANT TO GO THERE.
SUSAN WATSON: BUT AT LEAST AT THE POOL AT THE Y IS OPEN ALL YEAR ROUND THE POOL AT THE GOLF CLUB IS SEASONAL.
LISA DOMINICI: YEAH I'M NOT ARGUING I'M NOT REALLY.
LISA DOMINICI: I THINK WHAT I'M NOT I'M NOT HELD TO THE GOLF CLUB, I MEAN I AN OUTDOOR POOL IS A LOT NICER IN THE SUMMERTIME THAN INDOOR POOL BUT.
LISA DOMINICI: AND ALSO, I WAS THINKING, THIS IS REALLY NAIVE, I WAS LIKE IT'S A YOU KNOW THE CITY OWNS THAT MAYBE IT'S YOU KNOW IT'S AT COST AND NOT.
LISA DOMINICI: 37 OFFICERS, GIVING THEM POOL ACCESS OR SOMETHING I THOUGHT COULD BE NICE BENEFIT, BUT.
LISA DOMINICI: LIBERAL TENDENCIES COMING THROUGH SO.
SUSAN WATSON: I MEAN LAST TIME.
SUSAN WATSON: THE LAST I CHECKED THE POOL IS ABOUT 1500 DOLLARS A YEAR TO JOIN THE RIGHT GOLF CLUB COOL.
LISA DOMINICI: YEAH NO I'M JUST THINKING COST NOT WELL JUST.
GREG USRY: JUST JUST SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THE GOLF CLUB ACTUALLY DOES OPERATE AS A PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, IT IS OWNED BY THE CITY.
GREG USRY: BUT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER MEMBERSHIP RATE SETTING THE CITY COUNCIL ULTIMATELY APPROVES RATES, BUT IT IS RUN AS A SEPARATE ENTERPRISE, SO THE THE IDEA THAT WE COULD PROVIDE SERVICES IT, YOU KNOW COST VERSUS WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING IS ENFORCED THAT WE CAN'T.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: SO ANYWAY, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, BUT AS A SOCIAL WORKERS LICENSED SOCIAL WORKER YOU GUYS ARE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT SPENDING MONEY THAT WAY, BUT NOT ON MENTAL HEALTH THAT THAT KIND OF THROWS ME OFF, I CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THAT JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: OR YOU GO AHEAD.
COREY STARK: YEAH JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON WHAT LISA SAID I ACTUALLY THINK I AGREE WITH SUSAN I THINK THAT THE BRIDE GOLF CLUB, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR.
COREY STARK: BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE MEMBERSHIP IN THE WHY THE IDEA WAS REALLY COMMITTED COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AS OPPOSED, SO THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT.
COREY STARK: YOU SEE, POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREET AT LIKE YOU KNOW MISTLETOE MAGIC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THEY'RE NOT THERE TO PARTICIPATE IN MISTLETOE MAGIC THEY'RE THERE TO WORK AND THE IDEA WAS TO TRY TO YOU KNOW.
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COREY STARK: GET THE POLICE TO BE MORE COMMUNITY MEMBERS GO TO A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT WE HAVE, AND THEN THERE WAS THIS ADDITIONAL BENEFIT OF YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO EXERCISE AND. COREY STARK: SO I REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA I DO THINK THE GOLF CLUB IS TOO FAR, I MEAN I DON'T I THOUGHT THIS WAS A SUPER CREATIVE WHOEVER RECOMMENDED IT AS SOON AS I HEARD IT I LOVED IT.
COREY STARK: SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE GOLF CLUB GOES TOO FAR, AND THEN THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERSHIPS AT THE AT THE GOLF CLUB, BY THE WAY.
COREY STARK: THE 1500 DOLLAR MEMBERSHIP, I BELIEVE, IS FOR THE POOL I THINK IF YOU ADD IN GOLF IT GOES UP TO LIKE 4000 5000 SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO.
BEN STACKS: THAT'S CORRECT.
SUSAN WATSON: TO UNDERSCORE CORRESPONDENT ABOUT YOU KNOW BEING ON THE TREADMILL NEXT TO A COP SO YOU'RE BECOMING PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
SUSAN WATSON: I REALLY THINK THAT THAT HUMANIZES THEM, AND IT MAKES IT MAKES THEM MORE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE BAT THE BENEFIT TO, THAT IS, THEY CAN COME AN HOUR BEFORE WORK AND WORK OUT OR STAY AN HOUR LATER.
SUSAN WATSON: WHERE GOLF WOULD BE A SPECIAL TRIP BECAUSE THAT'S A FIVE HOUR COMMITMENT, SOMETIMES LONGER AT GOLF SO IT'S IT'S YOU KNOW, ADDING TO THE DAY AT THEIR DISCRETION AND WHEN THEY'RE ALREADY HERE.
LISA DOMINICI: I'M COMPLETELY FINE WITH JUST SUGGESTING THE YMCA.
LISA DOMINICI: AND I, AND I ALSO THOUGH HERE CAROLINA'S POINT ABOUT YOU KNOW JUST I THINK YOU KNOW, PROBABLY IF YOU ASKED THE POLICE OFFICERS SAY YOU KNOW, GIVE ME TIME.
LISA DOMINICI: TIME TO DO THIS SORT OF STUFF BUT I'M SO.
BEN STACKS: SORRY, IT COULD BE LIKE A SOME SORT OF YOU KNOW STIPEND, FOR YOU KNOW SOMETHING FOR WHATEVER YOU KNOW FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NUMBER IS AND THEY CAN CHOOSE THEY CAN TAKE YOU KNOW ART CLASSES OR POTTERY MAKING CLASSES OR GO TO THE Y OR JUST SOME.
BEN STACKS: YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL BENEFIT THAT'S KIND OF YOU KNOW, MENTAL HEALTH COMMUNITY RELATED IN RIGHT TO ACHIEVE THAT PURPOSE, WHICH IS GETTING THEM OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND INVOLVED I'M NOT SAYING YOU KNOW.
BEN STACKS: PUT THEM IN A POTTERY CLASS IN IN PORCHESTER RIGHT, IT WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE RIGHT RELATED TO YOU KNOW INFUSE THEM INTO THE COMMUNITY MORE.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK THAT WOULD BE.
GUY DEMPSEY: A GREAT WORDING THAT ENCAPSULATES THE SPIRIT OF THE IDEA, WITHOUT PUTTING US DOWN TO ANY PARTICULAR ACTIVITY.
GUY DEMPSEY: WOULD PEOPLE BE IN FAVOR OF.
LISA DOMINICI: YES, JOSH HAS HIS HAND UP.
JOSH COHN: YEAH A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS IF JUST BEEN BEEN TEXTED TO ME BY PERSON LISTENING IN, WE MIGHT AS WELL WE'RE GOING TO BE GENERIC ABOUT IT SO I'LL LEAVE OUT THE OTHER CHOICE OF ACTIVITY, BUT WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DO IS SEE THAT OUR POLICE OFFICERS GET RESIDENT PRICING.
JOSH COHN: AT THESE ACTIVITIES, TO THE EXTENT THAT DISTINCTION IS MADE IN PRICING AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW WILL GO ABOUT DOING THAT, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO DO IF WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO GOING TO SPONSOR THEM.
COREY STARK: WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPONSOR THEM PER SE, BUT I THINK WE'RE WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE WOULD FUNDRAISE TO SPONSOR RIGHT ISN'T THAT THE IDEA.
SUSAN WATSON: THAT WAS.
COREY STARK: NOT WE'RE NOT ASKING.
COREY STARK: WE'RE NOT ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL THEY PUT IT IN THE BUDGET, WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IS THAT WE THINK THERE'S ENOUGH INTEREST THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IN PROVIDING.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT THAT WASN'T THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION, IT WAS ON THE CITY OF RIGHT BUT.
COREY STARK: WHEN IT WAS DISGUSTING SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WAS YEAH IT.
LISA DOMINICI: WAS ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT WE HAD, I MEAN IT WOULD BE YOU KNOW.
LISA DOMINICI: IT WAS.
SUSAN WATSON: A GO FUND ME FOR $30,000.
COREY STARK: AND IF SUSAN SETS UP THE GO FUND ME I.
PROMISE TO DONATE.
SUSAN WATSON: IF EVERYBODY KICKS IN WE CAN FUND IT JUST AMONG THE COMMITTEE.
LISA DOMINICI: GREG SORRY YOUR HANDS UP.
GREG USRY: OKAY, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY YOU COULD YOU COULD ALSO ADD THIS UNDER THE COMMITTEE RESPONSIBILITIES OR A NAME UNDER THE COMMITTEE RESPONSIBILITIES TO WORK WITH THE CITY IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO FIND.
GREG USRY: RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES TO SUPPORT THE POLICE.
GREG USRY: ENGAGEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH, ETC, AND YOU KNOW AND IT KIND OF PUT IT BACK TO THAT COMMITTEE AS ONE OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES, BECAUSE IT KIND OF.
GREG USRY: IT CHANGES THEIR FOCUS A LITTLE BIT.
GUY DEMPSEY: I GUESS THAT WOULD CONSIDER THAT, AS A POSSIBLE AMENDMENT WITH IT, WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: TO BE COMBINING THIS THOUGHT WITH MAKING THIS SOMETHING A SUBJECT TO BE EXPLORED BY THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
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BEN STACKS: I AGREE. SUSAN WATSON: I AGREE.
GUY DEMPSEY: ALRIGHT, THAT SOUNDS GOOD.
GUY DEMPSEY: THAT LEAVES US WITH 18 TO LIE.
GUY DEMPSEY: I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IS THE HEART OF THIS RECOMMENDATION IS IS THAT FROM GABE AND.
LISA DOMINICI: SO THOSE ARE EXISTING PROGRAMS THAT SUPPORT MENTAL HEALTH OF POLICE OFFICERS, BUT IT'S AN IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS AND THE BLUE FOUNDATION IS A NONPROFIT LOCAL NONPROFIT I THINK IN YONKERS OR MOUNT VERNON.
LISA DOMINICI: AND IT'S AT NO COST THE OFFICER, SO THAT REALLY WAS JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE OFFICERS ALL ARE AWARE AND KNOW ABOUT IT IT'S REALLY PROMOTED WITHIN THE POLICE FORCE.
LISA DOMINICI: POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT YOU KNOW THE PEER SUPPORT THROUGH THE RIGHT PVA THAT'S AVAILABLE AT THE BLUE FOUNDATION AVAILABILITY AND AND THAT'S THAT'S JUST LIKE MAKE SURE YOU KNOW, PROMOTING THAT AWARENESS.
GUY DEMPSEY: SO THE BUT THERE'S NO COST.
LISA DOMINICI: TO THERE'S NO COST EXISTS TODAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: ANY ANY COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
LISA DOMINICI: SO MAYBE INSTEAD OF PROMOTED, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW ENSURE OFFICER AWARENESS OF.
GUY DEMPSEY: I AM ALWAYS A LITTLE LEERY OF ENSURING AS A VERB BECAUSE IT JUST GOES TO, BUT I THINK PROMOTING FINE.
LISA DOMINICI: OKAY, NO.
GUY DEMPSEY: I THINK, WITH THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY COME TO THE END OF THE LIST.
GUY DEMPSEY: A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATION AND IT'S MADE TODAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: BUT I WILL GIVE EVERYBODY A FINAL CHANCE TO LOOK AT A REVISED AT A RECOMMENDATION FOR JOHN AT LEAST, AND I WILL TRY AND GET OUT TONIGHT.
TED LIVINGSTON: GUYS THANK YOU LISA THANK YOU SO MUCH, BY THE WAY.
GUY DEMPSEY: BY THE WAY, WHEN WE DO GET IT OUT, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A VERY QUICK TURNAROUND OF US SHOULD HAVE EVERYBODY SAY YAY OR NAY, BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO GET THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
GUY DEMPSEY: IT BY TOMORROW NIGHT.
COREY STARK: YEAH SO MY PROBLEM IS I'VE GOT A HOPPING ON THE CAR, SO YOU NEED SOMETHING FOR ME, I WILL TRY TO GET INTO THIS EVENING, BUT WORST CASE IT'LL BE TOMORROW, SO I DO APOLOGIZE.
GUY DEMPSEY: ALRIGHT WELL WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE WHAT.
GUY DEMPSEY: WE THINK WHAT WHATEVER YOU COME UP WITH IS NOT LIKELY TO BE CONTROVERSIAL GIVEN WE'VE WE'VE STRUCTURED, THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT WHAT WE DO NEED THE VALUABLE DETAIL.
GUY DEMPSEY: THANK YOU.
COREY STARK: THANK YOU, THANKS FOR THE ROOM.
LISA DOMINICI: OKAY, THANKS EVERYONE.
THANK YOU, DAN LISA.
SUSAN WATSON: RESCHEDULING ANOTHER MEETING.
LISA DOMINICI: OH WELL, WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC INPUT SESSION NEXT THURSDAY AT 6PM.
COREY STARK: FOR THE SEND OUT THE NOTICE.
LISA DOMINICI: PROMOTE PROMOTE THAT TO FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND NEIGHBORS SO SUSAN.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: BLACK PEOPLE.
GUY DEMPSEY: YES.
YES.
INGRAHAM TAYLOR: I HAVE A BLESSED WEEK IT.
LISA DOMINICI: IS SO SUSAN YEAH I THINK THAT'S THE NEXT TIME THAT WE MEET.
TED LIVINGSTON: LISA WHAT WHAT DAY AND TIME I'M SORRY, IS IT.
LISA DOMINICI: IT'S THURSDAY MARCH.
LISA DOMINICI: 11 6PM AND YEAH THAT HAPPENS TO BE UNFORTUNATELY THE SAME TIME AS THE COUNTY'S INPUT SESSION BUT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
