[4. Consideration to engage Ramboll Engineering pursuant to its proposed scope of services with respect to a study relating to flood mitigation in the Blind Brook watershed in an amount not to exceed $350,000.]

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: SO I THINK THAT MAY HAVE HAD SOME EFFECT WITH THE COUNTY, BUT I WANT TO SAY IT WAS DONE FOR MY TO THEY DID YOU KNOW ALL THE ENGINEERING BEFORE THE LAST MILE PROJECT.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: I BELIEVE, TO LIMIT THE INCREASE IN THE RATE OF RUNOFF FROM THE LAST MILE PROJECT, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK, AND I DO KNOW THAT THE COUNTY WAS WAS SPEAKING WITH THEM AFTER AFTER THESE THREE STORMS FROM LAST YEAR.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: MINE SO.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THIS IS ALSO VERY HELPFUL I'M DO WE HAVE ANOTHER SESSION, OR IS THIS, WE DID THREE LAST TIME FOR THIS TIME IS THERE, ANOTHER ROUND, OR IS THIS IT.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: WELL, THIS IS, THESE ARE THE AREAS WE'RE LOOKING AT POST IT.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: DOESN'T MEAN THERE, THERE ARE MORE TO LOOK AT I KNOW THERE'S SOME SOME PRIVATE AREAS THAT.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: DISCHARGING INTO THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAVE SOME SOME INTEREST IN IN.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: BEING LOOKED AT SO SO IT'S BY FAR, NOT THE, THE ONLY AREAS IN TOWN, BUT THESE WERE THE AND I COMBINED A FEW OF THEM, SO IT ENDED UP BEING I THINK 12 OR 13 DIFFERENT AREAS, BUT REPORT WISE, THEY WERE COMBINED SO THESE WERE THOSE THAT WERE.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: MOST IMPACTED IN IT, WHERE THEY WEREN'T IMPACTED HISTORICALLY AND OTHER OTHER STORMS OKAY.

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JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SO NOW IT'S A MATTER OF COMPILING ALL OF THIS AND UNDERSTANDING OKAY WHAT'S THE EXPENSE, AGAINST ALL OF THESE AND WHERE'S THE BIGGER BANG FOR THE BUCK, SO WE PRIORITIZE AND START WORKING ON THE LIST RIGHT.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: YEAH SO I, WE CAN PUT TOGETHER.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: MAYBE SOME MORE INFORMATION AND OR A SUMMARY TYPE DOCUMENT FOR THE COUNCIL, I THINK SOME OF WHAT I'VE DESCRIBED COULD BE.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: PERFORMED BY DP W LET'S CALL IT THE PAID TO TURN THE LOW HANGING FRUIT SOME THINGS ARE LARGER PROJECTS THAT MIGHT THE COUNCIL MIGHT WISH TO ENGAGE A DESIGN ENGINEER TO PUT TOGETHER THOSE BIG DOCUMENTS IF WE CHOOSE, AND IN SOME AREAS, MIGHT NEED SOME MORE CONCEPTUALIZING OVER THE.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: THE IMPROVEMENT OR IF THERE EVEN IS AN IMPROVEMENT THAT CAN HELP.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU KNOW SOME OF ITS LIKE THE COUNTY TO, WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO AGAIN RIGHT BUT, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AT THE AT THE TOP OF BOULDER AND FOREST LIKE YOU SAID THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS CAN DO AND IT'S PRETTY YOU KNOW IT IS THAT LOW HANGING FRUIT OR WHATEVER, SO IT JUST BE GOOD TO START YOU KNOW ORGANIZING AND GREAT THIS IS AWESOME THIS IS REALLY GOOD WORK AND IT'S SUPER HELPFUL.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: I THINK THAT I THINK JOEY THAT.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WHAT WE WILL NEED TO DO OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS IS YOU KNOW SUMMARIZE, ALL OF THIS, GIVE A BEST ESTIMATE OF YOU KNOW WHAT THE REMEDIATION WOULD BE.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: THE NUMBER OF HOMES IMPACTED BECAUSE, CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, AN EXPENSIVE A MILLION DOLLARS FOR ONE HOME AND A MILLION DOLLARS FOR 10 HOMES IS YOU KNOW IMPACTS YOUR DECISION.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: AND THEN, ALL THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE PUT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE GREATER CAT BACKS PROGRAM AND YOU KNOW THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL WANTS TO COMMIT TO, SO I THINK IT'S.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: A REALLY IT'S A DELIVERABLE TO YOU TO GIVE YOU A MENU OF WHAT'S WHAT'S ATTAINABLE WHAT THE IMPACT IS OF THAT OF THAT SPEND AND THEN YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE, COLLECTIVELY, HOW YOU WANT TO HOW YOU WANT TO APPROACH THESE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: THIS WAS GREAT THANKS AGAIN RYAN.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THANK YOU RYAN.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: RYAN, THANK YOU GREAT JOB.

THANKS.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: GREG SHOULD WE TALK.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: RAMBLE.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: HER I'LL TALK FOR ONE MINUTE AND THEN IT'S REALLY THE BACK TO THE RYAN SHOW AND RAMBLE.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: AS, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, WE HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF LOOKING AT VARIOUS ISSUES RELATED TO THE BLIND BROOK.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: A NUMBER OF STUDIES, A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT HAVE.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: OCCURRED OVER THE YEARS, WITH EITHER LITTLE DESIGN OR ALL THE WAY UP TO YOU KNOW SIGNIFICANT DESIGN.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: IN IN LOOKING AT THE YEAR END PROCESS AS IT RELATES TO EVERYTHING FROM FEMA TO TALK IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW WE ALL COLLECTIVELY COME TO THE REALIZATION THAT.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: THERE IS NOT A SINGLE DOCUMENT THERE'S, NOT A SINGLE UNDERTAKING THAT IS LOOKED AT A WHOLE HOST OF POSSIBLE REMEDIATION AND MITIGATION AND.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: REALLY, THE FIRST STEP FOR THE CITY TO BE IN A POSITION OF TALKING TO OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ALONG THE BLIND BROOK WATERSHED AS WELL AS THEN POTENTIALLY SEEKING FUNDING IS TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE WHAT THE COST BENEFIT OF THOSE OPTIONS ARE.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: INCLUDING AREAS THAT HAVE NOT EVER BEEN STUDIED BEFORE AND, AND THAT INCLUDES THINGS THAT ARE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, FOR EXAMPLE, SO.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: RYAN AND CHRISTIAN OVER THE LAST 60 DAYS WITH THE INPUT OF MEMBERS OF THE FLOOD COMMITTEE HAVE HAVE PUT TOGETHER A VERY COMPREHENSIVE SCOPE AND HAVE PROPOSED THAT WE UTILIZE RAMBLING I'M GOING TO LET RYAN COVER THIS IN A SECOND, BUT THE GOALS ARE AS FOLLOWS, TO BE ABLE TO TO.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: LOOK AT A COMPREHENSIVE MANNER AT ALL THE VARIOUS OPTIONS ALONG THE BLIND BROOK THAT HAVE BEEN STUDIED BEFORE BUT HAVE NOT YET BEEN.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: YOU KNOW, BROUGHT TO THE POINT OF A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, SECONDLY, TO LOOK AT OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE NOT PREVIOUSLY BEEN STUDIED WHETHER IT'S BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY OR BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE SIMPLY NOT STUDIED IT.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: AND THEN THIRD TO DO THIS IN A TIME EFFICIENT MANNER, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR THAT THERE ARE MONIES THEY'RE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE.

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GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: THAT WE WANT TO BE IN A POSITION TO TO PURSUE, SO YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF THE BACKGROUND OR THE CONTEXT OF THIS AND, LIKE I SAID IT'S BEEN A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT OR VERY FOCUSED 60 DAYS TO GET TO THIS POINT SO I'LL LET I'LL SHUT UP AND LET RYAN.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: IF, IF I MAY, IF I MAY JUST JUMP IN FOR A SECOND AND ACCENT A COUPLE OF POINTS YOU MADE GRAB.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: THIS IS AN EFFORT TO JUMPSTART A PROCESS THAT A WILLING PART BE DONE BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION, WITH THEIR RESILIENT STREAM STUDY.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: TO CAPITALIZE ON THE SHELF, FULL OF STUDIES THAT HAVE GONE ONLY SO FAR IN THE PAST.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: AND TO SET THE STAGE, PERHAPS DOWN THE ROAD FOR AN ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS STUDY WHICH MIGHT BE FOUR GRAND PROJECTS AND AND AND BE A STUDY THAT WE WOULD TAKE YEARS BUT AS GREG SAID IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: THAT WE WE KNOW OURSELVES AS WE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: START TO ENTER INTO THE FUNDING PROCESS THAT WE UNDERSTAND OUR COSTS THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT OF THE PROJECTS WE MIGHT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: WISH TO PURSUE ARE THE MOST COST BENEFICIAL FOR US WHAT PROJECTS IN COMBINATION MIGHT BE THE BEST FOR US AND WE'RE LOOKING TO RAMBLE TO.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: HELP US GET GOING WITH THAT AND REALLY TO INFORM US SO THAT IS THE REST OF THE INFORMATION COMES IN, OVER TIME, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BASIC UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CAN FIT NEW FACTS INTO.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: QUAGGA JUST ADD ONE THING HERE JOSH I JUST DON'T WANT ANYONE TO GET THE IMPRESSION THAT.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT WE'RE STARTING FROM SCRATCH HERE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STUDIES OVER THE YEARS.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND I THINK PART OF WHAT THIS ISN'T DESIGNED TO DO, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS PUT A FRESH DATE ON A LOT OF THE STUDIES, WE DO THINK WE KNOW WHERE A LOT OF THE SOLUTIONS ARE NOT NECESSARILY ALL OF THEM, BUT WE NEED TO UPDATE WHAT'S BEEN DONE AND AND SO THAT WE HAVE.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: A GOOD SET OF MATERIALS THAT WOULD BE USABLE TO GO GET FUNDING AND AND ADVANCED THESE PROJECTS, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I DON'T THINK WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH HERE WE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK DONE IN THE PAST AND WE'RE GOING TO PIGGYBACK ON ALL THAT WORK.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: IF I JUST MADE TO DOVETAIL WITH WHAT.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: BILL HENDERSON JUST SAID, MY QUESTION WHEN I WHEN I SAW THIS AND AND GREG CALLED ME AND WALKED ME THROUGH IT, SO THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS RAMBLE IS A I GUESS THROUGH VARIOUS MERGERS AND REORGANIZATIONS A SUCCESSOR TO.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SOME OF THE ENGINEERING TALENT THAT WORKED ON THE NEW YORK RISING, WHICH WAS THE LAST SORT OF COMPREHENSIVE FOR SORT OF COMPREHENSIVE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: ANALYSIS, WE DID SO WE ARE PICKING UP FROM THERE, BUT WE'RE NOT JUST PICKING UP FROM THERE WITH ANYONE WE'RE PICKING UP FROM THERE WITH WITH SOME OF THE VERY PEOPLE WHO YOU KNOW WE'RE WE'RE ALL IN ON IT, AND I THINK THAT'S A VERY.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: VERY IMPORTANT AND GOOD THING THERE'S THERE'S NO WHEEL REINVENTION THERE IS UPDATING AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DIVE DEEPER INTO AREAS THAT.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: NEW YORK RISING EITHER DIDN'T TOUCH OR JUST TOUCHED A LITTLE BIT, SO THIS IS A I LOOK AT THIS AS A GREAT NEXT STEP AND I HOPE IT LEADS TO VERY ACTIONABLE ITEMS. JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: BUT I'M I WAS VERY, VERY PLEASED, SO I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW I HAD THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE I WANTED A DEEP DIVE WITH GREG AND HE GAVE IT TO ME AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW THIS IS THIS IS.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: A VERY, I THINK, A VERY SMART MOVE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: WELL.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: THE THE THE FOUR OF YOU HAVE TAKEN AWAY MOST OF BY MY UPDATE HERE ON WHERE WE ARE, BUT.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: YEAH SO SO WE WERE WERE TASKED WITH.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: COMING UP WITH WITH ENGINEERS AND SCOPES TO LOOK AT ALL FLOODING IN THE BLIND BROOK.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: WITH WITH A KEEN SENSE ON.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: ON EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED SO FAR AND ALSO TIMING AN EXPEDITIOUS TIMING, TO BE READY FOR ANY POTENTIAL GRANTS THAT ARE COMING DOWN OUR WAY, POSSIBLY TO DO THIS SO.

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RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: WE DID LOOK AND MEET WITH RAMBLE SO AS DESCRIBED RAMBLE WHERE THE DESIGN ENGINEERS FOR THE NEW YORK RISING PROJECTS, THEY HAVE REVIEWED IN THAT IN IN THROUGH THEIR NEAR RECORD DOESN'T WORK THEY'VE THEY REVIEWED MOST OR ALL OF THE PREVIOUS FLOOD STUDIES.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: THEY THEY HAVE THE WATERSHED MODELED.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: THEY THEY ARE CERTAINLY IN A POSITION TO TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING WITH ANY ANY DESIGN GOING FORWARD SO WHAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO PROPOSE IS A SCOPE OF WORK THAT WOULD.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: BUILD ON THE WORK THEY'VE DONE IN THE CITY IS DONE IN PREVIOUSLY BUT ALSO.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: TO GO TO GO SOUTH OF WHAT'S BEEN STUDIED BEFORE SO TYPICALLY OUR OUR HISTORICALLY OUR MOST OF OUR FLOOD STUDIES HAVE.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: STARTED AT LET'S CALL IT THE HIVE AND HALL PARKING LOT AND GOD NORTH AS FAR AS REMEDIATION SO WE CERTAINLY WANT TO TAKE A KEEN SENSE OF THAT AND ANY POSSIBLE FLOOD PROJECTS IN OUR COMMUNITIES TO THE NORTH, BUT THEN ALSO.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: HAVE A STUDY THAT ACTUALLY HEADS THROUGH OUR DOWNTOWN AND SELF AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CAN HELP.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: OUR BUSINESS DISTRICT.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: FLOOD PROOFING OR FIREHOUSE LIBRARY YMCA YOU KNOW PROPERTIES ALONG THERE THAT HAVE REPEATEDLY EXPERIENCED FLOODING, SO THEY HAVE DEVELOPED A PROPOSAL THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: WE VIEW THIS AS A AS AN ITERATIVE PROCESS THAT WE ARE SURE WILL BE DYNAMIC AND EVERYTHING CHANGES AND I'M SURE THERE'S GRANTS THEY'RE GOING TO POP UP THAT NEVER HAD BEFORE, AND THERE'S THERE'S PROJECTS THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: TAKE A QUICKER DEEPER DIVE OUT AND IN ORDER TO JUMP SOME OF THAT SO.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: WE'VE INCLUDED SOME STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS IN IN IN VARIOUS.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: STAGES OF THIS, YOU KNOW ONE UP FRONT, THEN THEY CAN TAKE A LOOK AT SOME SOME IDEAS THROUGH THAT AND THEN THEN COME BACK AND REPORT BACK AND.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: KEEP REFINING THAT I WOULD ENVISION THAT THAT WHAT WE WOULD FIND ARE THERE, THEIR PROJECTS THAT WE KNOW OF THAT.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: WE WANT TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A DEEPER DIVE TO THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE NEW PROJECTS THAT COME UP THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE THAT WE WANT TO DO, AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME NEW PROJECTS THAT COME UP THAT.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: WE SEE PRETTY QUICKLY MIGHT NOT MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT THAT BENEFIT THAT WE CAN KIND OF LOOK AT, BUT BUT MAYBE NOT DIVE AS DEEP, SO THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: WE THINK DOES THAT AND AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS WE DO I BELIEVE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES RAMBLE IF TECHNICAL QUESTIONS COME UP ON THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL IF YOU IF YOU NEED THAT ANSWERED, BUT SO IN SOME IT WOULD BE A FULL.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: HYDRAULIC AND HYDROLOGICAL ANALYSIS FROM BASICALLY THE THE TITLE IMPACTED AREAS CALL IT.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: YOU KNOW BROOKDALE PILING RIGHT HIGH SCHOOL, ALL THE WAY NORTH TO THE AIRPORT AND THE HOPE WOULD BE TO COME UP WITH WITH ONE REPORT THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS ALL POTENTIAL PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY AND AND AND NOT WITHIN THE CITY THAT WE COULD USE TO.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: TO FURTHER AS WHETHER THAT'S IN 2022 OR OR THE FUTURE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: RYAN, A QUESTION ON THE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: MY UNDERSTANDING IS IS THAT, AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS WITH RAMBLE WE CAN.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: WE CAN DECIDE WHICH AVENUES OF INQUIRY ARE APPROPRIATE TO PURSUE AND PERHAPS DISMISS OTHERS AND SO WORKING WITH RAMBO ACTUALLY CONTROL THE SPEND WITHIN THE AUTHORIZED SPEND IS THAT CORRECT.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: THAT'S CORRECT SO THEY'VE DEVELOPED THE PROPOSAL AS AS WRITTEN TO KIND OF LOOK IT UP TO 25 OPTIONS WITH WITHIN THAT ESTIMATE CLEARLY.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: AS YOU STATED, WE COULD WE CAN CHOOSE TO TO LOOK DEEPER AT SOME AND NOT SO MUCH AT OTHERS.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: AND SO THAT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER TO GO WITH I THINK IF WE TALKED.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: OR IF I ASKED YOU WHAT ARE POSSIBLE FLOOD PROJECTS ARE YOU MIGHT HAVE FOUR OR FIVE RIGHT NORTH OF US THAT THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT, SO THE 25 I THINK WILL GIVE US A ROBUST STUDY AND AGAIN THAT, AS YOU STATED, WE CAN CONTROL THAT AS AS NEEDED.

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JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: AND WITHIN THE PROPOSAL IN SOME CASES THERE'S REFERENCE TO DEVELOPING PROJECTS TO 15% DESIGN AND I JUST WONDERED WHAT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF 15% DESIGN IS IS THAT REQUIRED FOR SOME GRANT APPLICATIONS ARE THE LIGHT.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: SO PETER IF YOU'RE ON YOU MIGHT WANT TO ANSWER THAT BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD GET YOU, TO THE POINT WHERE A BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS COULD BE COMPLETED, BUT LET ME THIS IS.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: PETER FROM RAMBLE AND SEAN ALSO SEAN GANNETT FROM FROM RAMBLE, SO WHY DON'T WE LET YOU GUYS TAKE A STAB AT THAT.

PETER D.: YEAH THIS IS PETER.

PETER D.: THERE WAS A CORRECT STATEMENT RYAN, THE IDEA BEHIND BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH A POOL OF UP TO 25 BUT REALLY IN A DYNAMIC FASHION, TRY TO.

PETER D.: NARROW DOWN THE POOL OF OF OF THE POTENTIAL PROMISING OR PHYSICAL PRODUCTS TO COMMITTEE, THREE, FOUR, THAT WILL BE ADVANCED TO THAT 15% DESIGN AND WITH THAT THE COMPETITIVE COST ANALYSIS CAN BE ESTABLISHED THAT COULD BE COME BASIS FOR POTENTIAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SO TO RECAP, A LITTLE BIT ON SORRY SEAN PLEASE GO AHEAD.

SHAUN GANNON: NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO YOU KNOW OFFER UP JUST TO GO ON WITH PETER, THERE ARE CERTAIN FUNDING STREAMS THAT WILL REQUIRE A PRETTY SOLID BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS SO WITHOUT ADVANCING TO SOME.

SHAUN GANNON: LEVEL OF DESIGN 15 20% TYPICALLY WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO YOU KNOW GIVE YOU A SOLID BC A BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: OKAY, SO PLAN IS WE'RE FAST TRACKING THIS TO IDENTIFY PROJECTS, A WHEN THIS MONEY THAT SEEMS TO BE YOU KNOW.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THEY'VE SAID IT'S AVAILABLE RIGHT AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL THAT WERE THERE AND READY TO APPLY FOR THESE RATHER THAN BEING CAUGHT FLAT FOOTED AND HAVING TO START FROM THE BEGINNING.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND YOU KNOW, AND MEANWHILE OTHER PEOPLE ARE JUMPING IN LINE BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT PROJECTS READY TO GO THAT'S THE WHOLE THESIS HERE YEAH.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YEAH YEAH WE.

SHAUN GANNON: OFFER THE OLD TERM SHOVEL READY APPLY.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YEAH YEAH.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: OKAY, NO THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT, I MEAN IT'S IT'S.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: A LOOK, THIS IS THE TIME RIGHT THERE'S A LOT OF ATTENTION ON THIS THERE'S FUNDING THAT THEY'VE DECLARED IT'S GOING TO BE READY, YOU KNOW AVAILABLE AND WE JUST NEED TO BE IN LINE AND PREPARED TO TO APPLY GO AHEAD BEN.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YEAH SORRY I'M I MAY HAVE MISSED IT I SCAN THAT A COUPLE TIMES YOUR PROPOSAL BUT.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: ARE WE, INCLUDING AN ANALYSIS OF THE HARBOR.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SITUATION AND IN THE DREDGE SITUATION IS THAT AND IN ARE YOU REVIEWING ANY OF THE DREDGE FINDING SO FAR AND DOES THAT PLAY IT ALL INTO ANY OF THE ANALYSIS.

PETER D.: SO RYAN, YOU MAY YOU MAY NEED TO HELP ME HERE THAT THE UNDERSTANDING DURING THE PROCESS OF THE PROPOSAL DEVELOPMENT WAS THAT.

PETER D.: A SCOPE WILL CONTINUE TO BE DEFINED THROUGH COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY AND THE PUBLIC.

PETER D.: THE NUMBER 25 IS KIND OF AN OPEN OPEN OPEN ITEM, SO IF, DURING THE PROCESS NEW IDEAS ARE BROUGHT UP, WE MAY CHOOSE TO FOCUS ON SOME AND NOT FOCUS ON OTHERS, DRIVEN BY THE INPUT FROM THE SENIOR LEADER IN THE COMMUNITY.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND ON THAT POINT, ARE THE STAKEHOLDERS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE FLOODED OUR YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE FLOOD COMMITTEE ARE YOU LOOKING WHAT KIND OF STAKEHOLDERS ARE YOU LOOKING TO SERVE INTERVIEW.

SHAUN GANNON: I CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE THUMB TO GO WITH THAT ONE THE HARVARD IT WOULD YOU KNOW THE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, THE ORIGINAL, WE WOULD ASK TO WORK WITH, WITH ALL THE.

SHAUN GANNON: PARTNERS HERE ON THIS CALL TO COME UP WITH A LIST OF THOSE STAKEHOLDERS, YOU KNOW TYPICALLY THEY INCLUDE THE USUALLY THE ON RCS IS THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, THE DC IS THE FISH AND WILDLIFE ANY NGOS IN THE AREA RIVER KEEPERS ARE THOSE SORT OF TYPE OF FOLKS AS WELL, BUT THEN YOU KNOW.

SHAUN GANNON: IT COULD BE CERTAIN BUSINESS OWNERS STORE ROUTINELY AFFECTED, IT COULD BE CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS OR PARTICULAR HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE ASSOCIATED, THE IDEA IS TO GET.

SHAUN GANNON: THE PEOPLE YOU THINK ARE THEY GOING TO BE THE MOST USEFUL AND OTHER ROMO WE'LL TALK WITH YOU AND HELP YOU KIND OF SET UP THAT LIST AND.

SHAUN GANNON: REALLY START TO THROW ANY IDEA ON THE TABLE THAT COMES TO MIND, THIS IS THE KIND OF LIKE A BLINDER SORT OF LOOK.

SHAUN GANNON: LET'S LET'S YOU KNOW NOT SAY, ALL WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY OR WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S THE DO TO YOUR STATE HIGHWAY.

SHAUN GANNON: LET'S PUT THEM ALL ON THE TABLE, AND THEN WE CAN START SHUFFLING THEM AROUND AND AND ORGANIZING THEM AND BE RANKING THEM AND KIND OF WORK THROUGH THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESSES THAT HELP.

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CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YES, AND THE MAIN GOAL IS UPSTREAM MITIGATION IS THAT OUR MAIN GOAL HERE.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: OR DO WE DEFINE THAT THROUGH THE PROCESS.

SHAUN GANNON: IT'S THINK YOU KNOW WE WOULD DEFINE THROUGH THE PROCESS, THE IDEA IS TO LOOK ALL ALONG THE REGION INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT A PIECE OF IT LOOK FROM.

SHAUN GANNON: YOU KNOW THE HARBOR ALL THE WAY TO THE HEADWATERS AND LOOK AT ANY IDEA THAT MAY HELP REDUCE FLOODING KNOW OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME AREAS THAT ARE PROBABLY EASIER THAN OTHERS, BUT WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE STRETCH.

SHAUN GANNON: WITH A FRESH SATELLITES.

SHAUN GANNON: THAT.

SHAUN GANNON: WASN'T TRYING TO LOOK AT PEOPLE'S FACE ON THE SCREEN HERE.

CAROLINA.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: TO CAROLINAS POINT, THOUGH, IT STANDS TO REASON THAT THE.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: BIGGER BANK WORTH THE BOTTOM OF IT RIGHT LIKE WE'RE IT'S ALL TRICKLING DOWN THROUGH RIGHT SO STANDS TO REASON.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT UPSTREAM MITIGATION WOULD GIVE US A BIGGER BANG FOR THE BUCK, BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION IS AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT ALL THE RIGHT PLACES, AND THEN YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT ASSUMING SO.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I GUESS.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: DO THAT BUT UM BUT YEAH IT'LL BE HELPFUL TO GET THE FRESH SET OF EYES.

SHAUN GANNON: YEAH I FIND WHEN THESE THINGS, THE BEST YOU KNOW I ALWAYS WE ALL HEARD THIS PHRASE 1000 TIMES WATER DOESN'T.

SHAUN GANNON: RESPECT THE POLITICAL BOUNDARIES SO IT'S GOOD TO WORK, ALL THE WAY UP INTO THE HEADWATERS AND TRY AND GET A COMPREHENSIVE WATERSHED SORT OF APPROACH TO IT AND THEN YOU'VE GOT OTHER YOU KNOW POLITICAL ENTITIES AND LEGAL ENTITIES THAT WE BRING TO THE TABLE AND GET THEM PARTICIPATING.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I JUST MAKE ONE OBSERVATION I THINK ALL OF US THAT RAN FOR OFFICE THIS PAST NOVEMBER.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: FLOODING WAS A HUGE ISSUE THIS YEAR AND I THINK WE'RE ALL FOCUSED AND I'VE BEEN IN A LOT OF MEETINGS, SINCE, SINCE I WAS ELECTED WITH MAYOR AND CAROLINA AND GREG AND OTHERS, ON THE COUNCIL BEEN I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED AT ALL THE WORK THAT THAT HAS BEEN DONE AND AND ALL THE.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THE FOCUS EVERYBODY'S FOCUSED ON THIS.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: FOR ME, I IT'S MY PRINCIPAL FOCUS.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: BEING ON THE COUNCIL AND, IF THIS WAS AN EASY EASY PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE YEARS AGO THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLEXITY HERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UPSTREAM WE THINK WE KNOW WHERE A LOT OF THE ANSWERS ARE THIS STUDY, HOPEFULLY, WILL CONFIRM ALL THAT.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THEN THERE'S THERE'S ISSUES AROUND OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND GETTING THEIR COOPERATION, AND THEN THERE ARE ALSO ISSUES ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THIS SWIMMING WE YOU KNOW WE CAN WE CAN GET THE SUPPORT THAT WE NEED TO DO IT SO IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED UNDERTAKING.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: BUT I WANT TO JUST THANK THE MAYOR AND CAROLINA AND GREG I THINK YOU ALL BEEN ON THIS.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND YOU KNOW AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I THINK THE, THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE ON THIS, YOU KNOW AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO ME THIS IS MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE WILL DO AS A COUNCIL AND OVERSEEING THIS AND AND AND.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I'M COMMITTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE PROGRESS ON THIS.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WE NEED EMOTION.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: I THINK WE DO.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU HAVE ONE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: SECOND OR THIRD.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: EVERYBODY SAID.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OH.

YEAH.

CAROLYN D'ANDREA RYE CITY CLERK: COUNCILMAN HENDERSON.

CAROLYN D'ANDREA RYE CITY CLERK: YES, THAT'S A WOMAN HEARD.

YES.

CAROLYN D'ANDREA RYE CITY CLERK: COUNCILWOMAN JOHNSON.

CAROLYN D'ANDREA RYE CITY CLERK: YES, COUNCILMAN NATHAN.

CAROLYN D'ANDREA RYE CITY CLERK: YES, COUNCILWOMAN SOUZA.

CAROLYN D'ANDREA RYE CITY CLERK: YES, COUNCILMAN STACKS.

CAROLYN D'ANDREA RYE CITY CLERK: YES, MAYOR CONE.

YES.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OKAY.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: THANK YOU, PETER AND SEAN AND RYAN.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THANK YOU.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: AND CHRISTIAN, I KNOW THAT YOU TOOK PART IN THE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: PROPOSAL CREATION THANKS EVERYONE.

RYAN COYNE, CITY ENGINEER: ALL RIGHT.

SHAUN GANNON: THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: NOT TO MENTION GREG.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: YES, THANK YOU.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OKAY, SO NOW WE GO TO OUR SERIES OF OH I'M SORRY BEFORE WE GO ON, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ON THE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: TOPIC THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED.

KRISTEN WILSON: YES, MR MAYOR, WE HAVE ONE ONE HAND RAISED.

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SUE DROUIN: HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: YES.

OKAY.

SUE DROUIN: I REALLY APPLAUD ALL OF YOUR EFFORTS.

SUE DROUIN: AND I CAN SEE HOW MUCH ALL OF YOU GUYS REALLY FROM RYAN'S WORK AND ALL OF THE REPORTS BACK FROM YOUR ACTIVITIES WITH DIFFERENT REPRESENTATIVES BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, I APPRECIATE THAT.

SUE DROUIN: WE ARE A COASTAL CITY AND EFFECT TIED AS WELL, AND AS BILL HENDERSON HAD SAID EARLIER, WE ARE USING PAST WORK BUT DESIGNS FOR FLOOD MITIGATION STRATEGIES HAVE EVOLVED.

SUE DROUIN: AND ADVANCED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE LAST 10 YEARS AND EVEN THE ARMY CORPS AND THE EPA AND MANY OTHER AGENCIES AGREE THAT INCORPORATING WETLAND RESTORATION AND PROTECTION MEASURES SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND JUST WATCHING RYAN'S PRESENTATION.

SUE DROUIN: PARTICULARLY FOR THE HISTORIC SITE CLASSROOM NURSERY FIELD, THE.

SUE DROUIN: NEXT TO THE CEMETERY.

SUE DROUIN: A POND THE FIREHOUSE AND LIBRARY AREA.

SUE DROUIN: COULD BENEFIT FROM GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE PIPES ARE CONSIDERED GRAY CONCRETE SOLUTIONS ARE GREAT, BUT I THINK WHAT RESULTS SHOULD EMPHASIZE.

SUE DROUIN: AND I'M ACTUALLY TAKING US FROM THE ARMY CORPS SITE ITSELF RESTORING NATURE AND USING NATURE BASED FEATURES AND PROCESSES.

SUE DROUIN: SUCH AS WETLANDS AND FUNCTIONING FLOOD CAN EFFICIENTLY YIELD REAL ECONOMIC, ENVIRONMENTAL AND SOCIAL BENEFITS AND I'LL SEND THAT TO THE COUNCIL AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK INTO AND YOU'VE DEMONSTRATED THAT YOU REALLY ARE LOOKING INTO ALL FUNDING SOURCES.

SUE DROUIN: BUT THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE, A LOT OF MONIES THAT WERE RECENTLY MADE AVAILABLE TO IMPROVE THE LONG ISLAND SOUND AND PART OF THE LONG ISLAND SOUND STUDY AND OTHER AFFILIATED ORGANIZATIONS.

SUE DROUIN: BUT I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT INVESTMENT IN RESILIENCE IN TERMS OF NATURE, BASED AND GREEN OR COMBINES GREEN AND GRAY, WILL GIVE YOU THE FUNDING STREAM, YOU NEED AND WILL ALSO PROVIDE EXTENDED BRILLIANT THANK.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: THANKS YEAH I KNOW WHEN I WHEN I WAS ON THE COUNCIL.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: IN THE PAST, ONE OF THE EFFORTS THAT WE UNDERTOOK WAS TO.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL LAND AND THE RED THE RED MAPLE SWAMP BROKE, AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: BUT I AGREE, I THINK THAT THAT THOSE KINDS OF SOLUTIONS ARE THAT THEY HAVE ADVANCED AND THAT I THINK WHAT BILL WAS SAYING WAS THAT WE HAVE, AND I KNOW BERNIE ALL TALK TO, I THINK, MIGHT BE ALSO LISTENING ON THIS CALL HAS.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: BOXES AND BOXES OF THESE STUDIES IN HARD COPY BUT UM YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL OF THESE THAT WE CAN, THAT WE SHOULD REVIEW AND LEARN FROM BUT GOING FORWARD CERTAINLY ADDRESS THE LATEST TECHNOLOGIES AND.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: APPROACHES TO TO MITIGATION, SO I THINK THAT EVERYBODY HERE IS COMMITTED TO DOING THAT.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: RIGHT ALSO WHAT SUE BRINGS UP TIES INTO THE QUESTION BEN STACKS WAS ASKING ABOUT LOOKING AT HOW THE HARBOR.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND THE WETLAND AREA THERE INTERACTS WITH IT, AND SO I THINK THE VALUE OF THIS STUDY IS IT'S IT'S COMPREHENSIVE AND OPEN MINDED WE HAVE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THINGS WE THINK AND AND WE AND THEY MAY BE CONFIRMED, BUT WE MAY LEARN SOME OTHER THINGS, AND THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME NEW IDEAS, SO I REALLY APPLAUD THIS DIRECTION BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING IT ENOUGH BREATHING ROOM.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: TO BE OPEN TO YOU KNOW, THE LATEST AND GREATEST AND ANYWAY, THANK YOU ALL FOR WORKING ON THIS.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OKAY.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT'S ONE QUESTION WHEN WHEN, AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT I'M WHEN ARE THERE, LIKE.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: CHECKPOINTS, OR ARE WE JUST WAITING UNTIL THE THING IS DONE.

CHRISTIAN MEDIA.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THE DATES ARE IN THERE YA KNOW IF.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: IT'S IN THE PROPOSAL.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: NO, NO, I OH, BUT I MEAN FOR US TO REVIEW PUBLICLY LIKE ARE WE GOING TO BE VOTING I GUESS I'M ALREADY ASKING A PROCESS THAT ARE WE GOING TO BE VOTING AS WE GO WHERE ARE WE WAITING TILL THE END.

[5. Continue the public hearing to create a new local law amending Chapter 197 “Zoning” of the Code of the City of Rye setting new restrictions on lot width and configurations of properties in new subdivision.]

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: FOR, DO WE NOT KNOW YET.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: IT'S MORE OF A PROCESS IN THAT YOU KNOW IT'LL BE ITERATIVE ALONG THE WAY THERE'LL BE VARIOUS MILESTONES SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE ACTIVITY AS IT PROGRESSES, FOR INSTANCE, HOW THE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS GO AND WHAT KIND OF INPUT YOU'RE GETTING.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND YES, THERE'LL BE SOME PRELIMINARY EVALUATION POINTS BECAUSE THERE'LL BE SOME STRATEGIC DECISIONS THAT WE NEED NEEDED TO BE MADE ALONG THE WAY.

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CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT YOU KNOW THE FOUR OR FIVE IDEAS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO PURSUE THAT ARE APPEARING TO BE YOU KNOW BETTER, BETTER OPTIONS FOR WHATEVER REASONS THAT WON'T BE DECIDED BY THE CONSULTANTS IN A ROOM THAT WILL BE AN ITERATIVE PROCESS WITH THE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: CANADIAN COUNCIL.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I JUST I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE TIMING BE OUT LIKE THE OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL TO WITH LIKE FEDERAL FUNDING SOURCES BECOME AVAILABLE AND CAN WE PUT THE ACCELERATOR ON SOMETHING THAT WE THINK DOES HAVE LEGS, SO THAT WE CAN GET INTO THAT APPLICATION.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT'S MORE MY QUESTION IS.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT MECHANICS.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: IS YOU KNOW, WILL WE BE ABLE TO LIKE PUT SOMETHING IN OVERDRIVE AND MEET THAT FUNDING.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU KNOW OPPORTUNITY.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: OKAY, SO IF THERE'S SORT OF A SPRING TARGET FOR CERTAIN KINDS OF THINGS AND IF.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: THINGS ARE STARTING TO MATERIALIZE AS BEING BENEFICIAL, THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO ADVANCE AND MIGHT FIT THOSE SPRING GRANT REQUIREMENTS THAT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY FURTHER ALSO IN THE FALL.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: SO WE'RE SORT OF LOOKING AT BOTH AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY NECESSARY POTENTIALLY NECESSARY SO TIMING IS, IT IS A BIG DEAL.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: OKAY.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: LET ME JUST JUST JUST WAY, AND THIS IS, I JUST WANT TO BE VERY.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT WITH EVERYONE.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: YOU KNOW THE THE CONSULTANTS ARE GOING TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, AS DIRECTED BY THE COMMUNITY BY THE COUNCIL.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL KNOW, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT UPSTREAM MET AGAINST A LOT SOME OF THOSE MEDIA THOSE MOST OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: AND SO WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING THE ENGINEERING LEGWORK AT OUR EXPENSE AND AT THE CITY SCHEDULED TO MOVE THAT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: THEY KEEP IT IN MIND THAT YOU KNOW MANY OF THOSE PROJECTS UPSTREAM ARE GOING TO BE HAVE TO BE DONE COLLABORATIVELY WITH OTHERS.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: AND WE DON'T KNOW YET WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS GOING TO BE FOR FEDERAL DOLLARS OR STATE DOLLARS, WE DO KNOW THAT THE NORMAL THEME OF PROCESS IS A NOVEMBER ONE ANNUAL DATE.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: WHAT WE DON'T KNOW AND WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SPRING FUNDING.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: BUT YOU KNOW IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO BE READY FOR THAT YOU KNOW OR NOT SO AGAIN, AND THIS IS.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY RYAN AND CHRISTIAN YOU KNOW DIRECTED US TOWARD RAMBLE IS BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IN WHICH WE'RE GOING TO ACHIEVE THE GREATEST TIME EFFICIENCY.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: RIGHT AND ALSO TO UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE BECAUSE RAMBLE DOES HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THE GRANT PROGRAM SO CERTAIN PROGRAMS AND CERTAIN KINDS OF PROJECTS NECESSARILY WILL OR WON'T GO TOGETHER THEIR EXPERIENCE IN BOTH AREAS WILL BE HELPFUL.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: RIGHT AND I JUST FOR ME IT'S LIKE LOOKING AT YOU KNOW THEY'LL HAVE A DRAFT PLAN JULY ONE ISH RIGHT, I THINK THAT WAS THE DATE IN THAT SO.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND I GUESS MY THOUGHT WAS LIKE IF FUNDING COMES AVAILABLE SOONER, WILL WE HAVE.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU KNOW I DIDN'T ASK MY QUESTION VERY ELOQUENTLY, BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE WE COULD REACT, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YES SO THAT'S GREAT, AND I DO THINK WE NEED TO MOVE QUICKLY.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND, AND I ALSO THINK THAT THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF THE GRANT PROCESS AND MAYBE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF WINDOW INTO PAY THIS MIGHT BE OPENING UP SOON WILL REALLY BE HELPFUL TO US AS WELL, SO.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: OKAY, THANK YOU.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OKAY, SO WE VOTED, WHERE WE WE WERE COMMITTED AND WE NOW CAN GO ON TO THE FIRST OF OUR MORATORIUM LAWS.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: AND THAT'S GOING TO BE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: THE SHORTEST THAT IS AN AMENDMENT OF CHAPTER 197 ZONING THAT WOULD SET NEW RESTRICTIONS ON LOT WITH AND CONFIGURATIONS PROPERTIES IN NEW SUBDIVISIONS AND KRISTEN HAS VOLUNTEERED TO GIVE US JUST A VERY BRIEF.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OVERVIEW OF THE MOST SUBSTANTIVE PROVISIONS AS WE GO ALONG WHAT I THINK I JUST LIKE TO SET THE STAGE BY SAYING THAT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: THOSE INTERESTED IN THESE TOPICS SHOULD PLEASE READ THE DRAFTS AND FULL THERE ARE SMALL CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE CERTAINLY THE LONGER PROVISIONS AND MANY OF THEM ARE NOT SUBSTANTIVE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: BUT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: PLEASE READ EVERYTHING IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN IT AND THEN WHAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT IS A DRAFT THAT SHOWS POTENTIAL CHANGES.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: THESE ARE NOT CHANGES THAT THE COUNCIL IS COMMITTED TO, BUT THINGS THAT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD IDEA ON A CONSENSUS BASIS TO PUT BEFORE THE PUBLIC, SO THAT WE COULD HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC THINKS AND SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO IS TO DISCUSS THEM OURSELVES KRISTEN IF YOU WOULD.

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KRISTEN WILSON: THANK YOU, MR MAYOR, THE FIRST LOCAL LAWS.

KRISTEN WILSON: A LOT MENDING OUR ZONING CODE, WITH RESPECT TO THE LOT WITH SO WHAT THE CHANGES FROM THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING IS THAT IT USED TO READ.

KRISTEN WILSON: 60 FEET, THAT THE THE FLAG PORTION OF YOUR LOT CANNOT BE NARROW OR IN WIDTH AND 60 FEET THAT HAS NOW CHANGED TO 75 FEET IN THE DRAFT THAT'S BEFORE THE COUNCIL, AND THAT WAS CIRCULATED.

KRISTEN WILSON: AS PART OF THE AGENDA PACKET YESTERDAY, SO THAT THAT IS THE REALLY THE ONLY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE FROM FROM THE PRIOR VERSION THAT WAS PUT FORWARD.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OKAY, AND SO I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT THE IDEA WAS TO MAKE THE, THAT IS, THE 60 FEE CAME FROM WHAT WAS THOUGHT TO BE REMEMBER WE'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL AN ADDITIONAL FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO CREATE A FLAG LOT AND WE'RE MOVING FROM WHAT WAS SEEN AS THE MINIMUM.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: FOR ANY OF THE LOTS IN THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE REFERENCED IN THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, AND SO WE'RE WE'RE INCREASING THAT BY 15 FEET IN ORDER TO GIVE THE PROPOSAL MORE EFFECT AND PARTICULARLY MORE EFFECT WITH RESPECT TO LARGER PARCELS IN THE IN THE LARGER ZONING DISTRICTS.

KRISTEN WILSON: POCKETS, WE DID CIRCULATE THIS TO WESTCHESTER COUNTY PLANNING AND THEY DID RESPOND SAYING THIS AS A MATTER OF VOCAL CONCERNED THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON IT.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: GOOD IDEA I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION, AND THIS IS MY IGNORANCE, BUT WE SAY IT'S 75 FEET AND THEN WE SAY OR NARROWER AND WITHIN 15 ANY OTHER RESIDENTS DISTRICT IN WHICH A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IS PROPOSED I'M NOT SURE I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SAYING THERE.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: IS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISTRICTS BETWEEN OUR ONE AND, BESIDES, OUR ONE THROUGH OUR SIX.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YES, CHRISTIAN CAN CAN EXPLAIN IT.

KRISTEN WILSON: SURE, THERE ARE NO QUESTION, DO I KNOW GO THROUGH THE CHART.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: YEAH SURE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: SO THE ONLY CHANGE FROM THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL IS THE 62 THE 75 AND THE LANGUAGE REGARDING THE 50 FEET AND I'LL SHOW AGAIN ON THIS, BUT THAT DIDN'T WORK.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: SHARE SCREEN.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: SO WHAT I'D LIKE YOU TO FOCUS ON IS THIS LOT WIDTH COLUMN, THESE ARE ALL THE DISTRICTS, THIS IS THE WAR ONE ONE ACRE HALF ACRE 30 ACRE DOWN TO OUR SIX AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ALL OF THESE DISTRICTS, THE SMALLEST IS THE 60 FEET OF WIDTH.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: 7585 100 SO WHAT HAPPENS HERE IS THAT IN THE RS AND THE RT AND REALLY IF YOU GET DOWN HERE IN THE RA ZONES, THESE ARE MULTI FAMILIES ZONES, BUT THEY DO ALLOW.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: SUBDIVISION FOR SINGLE INTO FAMILY LOTS AND THAT IS WHAT THIS REPRESENTS 5060 AND 150 IS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES 60 IS FOR TWO FAMILY HOMES.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND HUNDRED IS FOR MULTIFAMILY SO THE IDEA WAS THAT YOU WANTED TO PRESERVE THAT BECAUSE THIS ISN'T A MOSQUE, THIS WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: IS THAT YOU KNOW YOU DIDN'T WANT TO GO BELOW THE REQUIRED WITH IN THOSE DISTRICTS SO THAT'S WHY 60 IS THE LOWEST NOW WITH THIS LATEST CHANGE IT DOES MEAN YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY CHANGING THE MINIMUM BLOCK WIDTH AND THE ARE SIX ZONE, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO 75.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: THAT'S THE EFFECT OF THAT CHANGE SO.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: YOU KNOW, IT MEANS, IF YOU WANT TO SUBDIVIDE IN OUR SIX PROPERTY AND NOW NEED 75 FEET AWAY WITH NOT 60.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: HERE THERE'S NO CHANGE OBVIOUSLY HERE HERE, AND HERE THERE ISN'T THE CHANGE EITHER, BUT THE EFFECT OF THIS, AND SO THE WAY THE LANGUAGE WAS PREVIOUSLY STRUCTURED WAS TO NOT HAVE THAT HAPPEN TO NOT CHANGE YOUR MINIMUM LOT WITH IN THAT DISTRICT.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, THEN.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: I MEAN, I AGREE, OVERALL, WITH THE IMPETUS BEHIND THE CHANGE, WHICH IS TO CAPTURE MORE LOTS.

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EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: IN THIS IN THIS NEW RULE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO TO LAY IT OUT PER ZONE IN THE LAW WOULD THAT BE CLEAR, I KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU CHRISTIAN ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IS YOU KNOW AFTER EFFECTS CONSEQUENCES OF A CHANGE LIKE THIS WOULD THAT HELP.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: OH WELL, THAT THERE WAS A RATIONALE BY THE ZONING COMMITTEE FOR THAT 60 FEET IN ESSENCE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: THE STRUCTURE HERE WAS TO NOT HAVE LOTS BEHIND LOTS OF GERRYMANDERED LOT LINES, SO WHAT HAPPENS HERE IS THAT, OBVIOUSLY, IF YOUR MINIMUM IS 75, THEN YOU HAVE NO FLAG IN THIS DISTRICT THAT THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS BECAUSE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: 75 AND 75 IS YOUR MINIMUM WITH YOUR FLAG POLE USED TO BE 60 NOW WE'D BE 75 HERE WOULD BE 75 OR 85 IS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS SO YOU'RE GOING FROM 16 TO YOU KNOW, SO IT IT'S IT'S AN AWKWARD CONDITION IN THAT YOU KNOW EVERYONE'S SORT OF QUOTE UNQUOTE PROTECTED ON THE MINIMUM WIDTH.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: SO.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: COME BACK IF IF I'M A CHRISTIAN, TO COME BACK TO YOUR POINT, THOUGH.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: WITH THE 16 NO ONE WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE IN THE ARE SIX IN ANY CASE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: AND TO CHANGE IT TO 75 DOESN'T CHANGE THAT CONDITION IN SO FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND REALLY THE EFFECT IS FELT UPSTREAM.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AH YES SO UNLESS THERE IS SOME SORT OF.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AGGREGATION OF LOTS.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: WHICH WE HAVE HAD, BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE SO MUCH NONCONFORMITY.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: WE HAD A CONDITION OF A PROPERTY THAT HAD SEVEN DWELLING UNITS ON IT THEIR COLLEGES ON BACK AND WAYNE RIGHT THAT THAT SUBDIVISION AS A RESULT.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: GOT IT'S IN THE OUR SIX REDUCE THAT CONDITION DOWN TO JUST THREE LOTS THAT WAS MADE EASIER, BECAUSE YOU COULD EFFECTIVELY GET THREE LOTS SO IN THOSE KINDS OF CONDITIONS, THE REDEVELOPMENT CONDITION A REDEVELOPMENT IMAGINE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: YOU'RE ACTUALLY GETTING RID OF SOMETHING UNDESIRABLE, THAT WAS AN UNDESIRABLE CONDITION IT HAD MANY COTTAGES THAT WERE UNDER A LOT OF BUILDING CODE ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: BUT IT IS TRUE, MANY OF THE LOTS IN THE ARE SIX ARE ALREADY SUBSTANDARD ON WITH AND AND I DON'T KNOW OF A SINGLE PROPERTY IN ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION AND SINGLE OWNERSHIP, THAT WOULD BE SUBDIVIDE DOUBLE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE LESS SO.

AND JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: IF IF THERE ARE ISSUES SUCH AS THE ONES.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: YOU POSE WOMEN IN CHRISTIAN MAYBE YOU CAN HELP HERE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: I ASSUME THAT PEOPLE COULD APPLY FOR A VARIANCE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: I'M.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: NOT THE CASE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: THEY CAN ALWAYS APPLY FOR A VARIANCE I THINK THE YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS, A LOT OF TIMES IS YOU KNOW NOW YOU'RE GETTING A VARIANCE FOR MORE LOTS THAN ARE PERMITTED BY ZONE AND IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN ZONE, HE REQUIRES A 12 FOOT STEP BACK AND I WANT 10.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: YOU KNOW THE EFFECT IS THE CREATION OF A LOT IT'S NOT A PARTICULARLY LARGE AREA, THE OR SIX OWN IT'S IT'S BACK AND WEIGHING RIGHT AND RYAN MANNER AND NOT RIGHT MANNER.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: RIGHT BLANK BULKELEY MANNER AND THE AREAS ALONG ORIGINAL AND TERRORISTS AND ORIGINAL IN THERE, SO YOU CAN SEE, THOSE ARE VERY DENSE AREAS VERY A LOT OF UNDERSIZED LOTS.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: I'M JUST LEARNING NEW TO THE ISSUE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND JUST MAKING SURE YOU UNDERSTAND IT, BECAUSE THE WE'RE NOT EXTENDING THAT SCHOOL I'LL CALL IT INCREASED SETBACK IN THESE OTHER DISTRICTS.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND AS LONG AS YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE 50 NUMBER.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: CORRECT.

YEAH.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND SO, ANOTHER WAY TO DO THIS WOULD BE TO JUST CHANGE THE WIDTH TO 75 THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE.

PERIOD WHERE CLAIRE.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: AND GET RID OF THE 50 FOOT.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: NO, I DIDN'T SAY THAT I SAID, IF YOU, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, AND THAT THIS HAPPENS IN THE ZONING CODE A LOT LIKE WHERE IT SAYS MULTIFAMILY IS PERMITTED, AND THEN YOU READ THE FOOTNOTES AND YOU GO OH IT'S NOT PERMITTED THIS HAPPENS IN THE BYU.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: YOU COULD WALK AWAY AND WITH AN UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE 60 FEET WET WHEN THE REALITY IS IT'S 75 FOR ANY NEW LOT.

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JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: BUT THIS IS JUST FOR NEW NEW LOTS LET'S MOVE RIGHT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: YEAH WE'RE NOT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: CHANGING THE SIZE OF EXISTING LOTS IT'S JUST IF, AS A RESULT OF SOME MANIPULATION OF LOTS WE HAVE NEW LAW.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: I JUST WANTED TO ALERT YOU TO THIS CONDITION HERE AND TO ALSO BECAUSE THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT 50 FEET ME THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE WITH.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: THIS TABLE.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THIS SO IF YOU'RE IN LIKE AN RA DISTRICT, CAN YOU CAN YOU LEAD BUILD LIKE APARTMENTS IN MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS OR COULD YOU MAKE A SINGLE FAMILY IN AN ARRAY ZONE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: IN THE ERA ZONES SUBJECT VARIOUS LIMITATIONS AND SO FORTH 5060 AND 100 SO YOU CAN DO SINGLE FAMILIES TO FAMILIES ON 60 FOOT WIDE LOTS AND THREE OR MORE FAMILIES ON 100 FOOT LOT SO IN ALL THESE ZONES, YOU WILL ALLOW THOSE THREE OPTIONS.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SO THE 50 I MEAN DO WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE 50S RELATIVE TO THE 75 OR NO WHEN I LOOK AT THE.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: FLORIDA HERE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: IT WOULD BE EXEMPTED, IT WOULD IT WOULD REMAIN AS IS YOU WOULD YOU COULDN'T GET A LOT BEHIND A LOT, BECAUSE THE MINIMUM WOULDN'T BE 60 WOULD BE 50 BUT.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: ALL RIGHT.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THE BOTTOM STUFF THE IRAS IT'S ONLY AFFECTS OUR ONE TO OUR SIX IS THAT CORRECT YOU.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: KNOW IT AFFECTS THE IRAS IN THAT IT WILL BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE, TO HAVE WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE THE FLAG LOT CONDITION THAT THAT THAT IS DRESS A DRESS UNIFORMLY WHAT WHAT THE NEW LANGUAGE DOES IS IT MAKES IT AS THE MAYOR SUGGESTED.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: EVEN HARDER IN THE LARGER LOT DISTRICT DISTRICTS THAT HAVE A FLAG LAP BECAUSE NOW THAT FLAG POLE AS WE TALKED ABOUT ISN'T 60 FEET IN WITH IT'S NOW 75 FEET OF WITH MINIMUM.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND THEN, WHEN YOU GET TO THE HOUSE IT'S GOT TO BE 150 AND YOU KNOW AND SO FORTH, BUT SO IT'LL MAKE GERRYMANDERED AND FLAG LOTS.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: ALMOST.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY THE INTENT OF THIS THIS ROLE AS FAR AS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: RIGHT, AND YOU KNOW, TO PUT IT IN.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: CONTEXT AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE I MEAN THE NUMBER OF LOTS THE NUMBER OF SUBDIVISIONS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES IN A GIVEN YEAR IS VERY FEW I THINK WE'VE ADDED 10 LOT SINCE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: 2013.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: I MEAN.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: YOU DON'T KNOW.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: SORRY CHRISTIAN GO AHEAD.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: YEAH SO THAT'S THAT'S THE THAT'S THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE, SO I YOU KNOW THIS IS TO PUT THAT IN TO SOME CONTEXT.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SO, IF I UNDERSTAND CHRISTIAN WAY YOU'RE SAYING.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: BY MAKING IT 75 WE'RE JUST MAKING THE ARE 660 FOOT LOT SORT OF AN ANOMALY, BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T ACTUALLY EVER MAKE ANOTHER 60 FOOT LOT BECAUSE IT'S GOT TO BE 75 FEET YOU JUST COULDN'T YOU COULDN'T DO IT.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, WHETHER IT'S 60 OR 75 YOU REALLY CAN'T DO IT IN THOSE ZONES ANYWAY BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NO ROOM.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: THERE IS NOT A PROPERTY THAT I HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT IS SUBDIVISION POTENTIAL ABSENT, A AN ACCUMULATION OF.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: COOKIES AND ASSEMBLY YEAH.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: OKAY, SO SO FROM A PRAGMATIC STANDPOINT, EVEN THOUGH LOGIC MAKES IT INTERESTING TO MAKE IT 75 ARE YOU STILL HAVE A 60 FOOT WHAT LIVE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WHERE THE REAL IMPACT IS IS WHEN YOU GET TO THE ARE ONES AND THE TWOS WE'VE NOW MADE FLYING GLOCKS IN THOSE ZONES HARDER BY ADDING AN EXTRA 15 FOOT WITH FROM AN IMPACT STANDPOINT THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO WHAT THAT'S WHERE THIS CHANGE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: HAS GREATER IMPACT OR OR OR CAPITALIZES ON THE MISSION OF REDUCING VIOLENCE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: WELL NOW, IT ACTUALLY HAS GREATEST IMPACT ON THE SMALLEST LOT DISTRICTS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES YEAR NOW, WITH 75 FEET MINIMUM AND A 75 FOOT POLE YOU'RE BASICALLY DOING TO LOT SIDE BY SIDE THAT'S, THE ONLY WAY, YOU CAN REALLY DO IT.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: RIGHT, SO IT ELIMINATES FLAG LOTS IN THOSE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: DISTRICTS OH SOUNDS COMPLETELY AND.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: REDUCING OUR FOR.

[6. Continue the public hearing to create a new local law, Chapter 166 “Steep Slope Protection” regulating development on steep slopes.]

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: DAMN DAMN NEAR ALL THAT BECAUSE HE FIVE FOOT MINIMUM WHERE NOW YOU'RE DOING 75 AS YOU GET.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: INTO THE LARGER DISTRICTS YOU, YOU HAVE MORE LAND, YOU HAVE MORE AREA, YOU MAY HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY THERE, BUT IN TERMS OF IMPACT.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: IT WOULD BE YOUR FOURS AND FIVES AND AND THEY ARE THREE IS I MEAN 75 IS YOU KNOW, THREE QUARTERS OF THE REQUIRED WIDTH AND, BY THE WAY THE WIDTH IS NOT JUST AT THE STREET IT'S ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE STREET, THE FRONT YARD HOUSE ALL THE WAY TO THE REAR YARD SETBACK SO IT'S IT'S.

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CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: IT'S BASICALLY MAKING YOU DO SIDE BY SIDE LOTS, WHICH IS THE OBJECTIVE OF THIS.

OKAY.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: IF THERE ISN'T MORE COUNCIL DISCUSSION NOW, THEN WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: AND JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: JUST REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE GOING LAW LAW BY LAW SO.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND INVITE COMMENTS JUST ON THIS AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 197 MAY HAVE A MOTION TO.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: IT'S OPEN ALREADY ISN'T IT.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: IT IS, THOUGH, WE KEPT IT OPEN.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: NEED TO HAVE EMOTION.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OH RIGHT THEN LET'S GO.

KRISTEN WILSON: ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE.

KRISTEN WILSON: WE HAVE NO TAKERS MR MAYOR.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OKAY.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOUR MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE ON THESE SCENES WE'VE HAD THIS IS OUR THIRD PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMMENTS ON THESE AS CHRISTIAN EXPLAINED.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THEY'RE REALLY HAVE LOOKED AT 10 SUBDIVISIONS, IN THE LAST 10 YEARS AT THE MOST, AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD WE SHOULD KEEP MOVING FORWARD.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: I HAVE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS IN ADVANCED THAT THEY HAD CAN STILL HAD CONCERNS THAT THEY WANT.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: TO PLACE VOICE THOSE CONCERNS, SO WE CAN I MEAN I HAVE REACHED OUT TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM, TO SEE IF THEY WANT TO US, YOU KNOW SPECIFIC MEETING WE'VE WE'VE HAD NIK EVERETT AND IF WE CAN ELEVATE HIM.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: TO THE PANEL, HE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU CAN VOICE THOSE CONCERNS THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL, BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING, PARTICULARLY ON THE SUBDIVISIONS ON THE LOT WIDTH.

KRISTEN WILSON: SO COUNCIL AND JOHNSON THAT I WOULD CONSIDER CHANGING THE 60 FEET TO 75 FEET OF SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE THAT WAS JUST PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC YESTERDAY.

KRISTEN WILSON: SO AS A PROCEDURAL MATTER, IT IS MY ADVICE TO THE COUNCIL THAT YOU DO ACTUALLY KEEP THE HEARING OPEN UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, BECAUSE OF THE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE TO GIVE THE PUBLIC, AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO REVIEW IT AND MAYBE THERE ARE NO MORE COMMENTS, BUT PROCEED REALLY THAT'S THAT'S THE.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: MORE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OKAY.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: ALL RIGHT, WE'LL DO THAT.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN LET'S MAKE A MOTION WITH AUDIBLE THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE BOARDING AT THE NEXT MEETING, MOST LIKELY ON THIS PROCEDURALLY I ASSUME THAT WHAT WE NEED IS A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE NEXT MEETING.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YES, YES, YOU JUST I JUST DID THAT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AYE.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: ANY OF YOU HAVE A CONCERN, PLEASE REACH OUT, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY CONCERNS LOOK FOR THE RIGHT ANSWERS LOOK FOR THE RIGHT PERSON WHO CAN GIVE YOU THE RIGHT ANSWER PLEASE REACH OUT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OKAY, ON TO THE NEXT LAW.

KRISTEN WILSON: THIS IS A CHAPTER 166, THIS IS A NEW LAW A STEEP SLOPE PROTECTION, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES AGAIN SINCE THE LAST VERSION THAT THE PUBLIC SAW TWO WEEKS AGO.

KRISTEN WILSON: THE FIRST CHANGE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS THE ACTUAL DEFINITION OF STEEP SLOPE THE PRIOR DEFINITION WAS DEFINED A STEEP SLOPE AS.

KRISTEN WILSON: 1000 SQUARE FEET WITH A GRADIENT OF 25% OR MORE WITH A HORSE A MINIMAL MINIMUM HORIZONTAL DISTANCE OF 25 FEET THAT DEFINITION HAS CHANGED IT TO 500 SQUARE FEET HAVING A TOPOGRAPHICAL GRADIENT OF 25% OR GREATER AND A MINIMUM HORIZONTAL DISTANCE OF 10 FEET, SO THAT.

KRISTEN WILSON: THE DEFINITION HAS IT HAS CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY FROM THE FROM THE LAST VERSION, THE OTHER SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE IS IS MORE ON THE REVIEW STANDARDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MUST.

KRISTEN WILSON: ABIDE BY WHEN THEY ARE MAKING A DECISION ON STEEP SLOPES THAT ARE 35% OR GREATER AND IT'S TIED INTO WHEN.

KRISTEN WILSON: REALLY, THE PROPERTY OWNER PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, WHETHER IT WAS BEFORE AFTER THESE REGULATIONS OR ADOPTED SO THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL HAS HAS CHANGED FOR THOSE SLOPES IN EXCESS OF 35%.

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KRISTEN WILSON: OTHER THAN THOSE TWO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKE A SITE VISIT WHICH IS TYPICAL ANYWAYS, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN CHAPTER 166 THAT THAT THEY DO THAT.

KRISTEN WILSON: AND KRISTEN WILSON: THERE ARE SOME OTHER JUST MORE CLARIFYING AND INTERNAL CONSISTENCY CHANGES THAT WERE MADE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OKAY, I JUST POINT OUT THAT THE CHANGE FROM 1000 SQUARE FEET 500 SQUARE FEET.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: ECHOES OUR OUR OUR NEIGHBORS AND SEEMS TO BE A SUB THEME AMONG WEST CHESTER JURISDICTIONS, CERTAINLY NOT EVERY JURISDICTION WITH RESPECT TO.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: A 25% GRADE I RAISED THE QUESTION IN THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING OF WHETHER WE SHOULD GO TO 15% WHICH AGAIN IS SOMETHING THAT WE SEE IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH NICK EVERETT ABOUT IT, AND HE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: FELT THAT WE SHOULD BE STARTING WITH 25% WE SHOULD SEE HOW IT WORKS AND GO TO 15% IF WE FEEL THAT OUR LAWS AND ADEQUATELY PROTECTED AND SO I'M I AM COMFORTABLE TAKING THAT SUGGESTION AND.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: PEOPLE WILL SEE THAT THIS DRAFT SHOWS 25% AND 500 SQUARE FEET ESSENTIALLY IT'S A JURISDICTIONAL THRESHOLD.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: UM I HAVE A QUESTION AND MR MAYOR, I THINK WE CHATTED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS UM SO IT'S IT'S JUST TO CATCH EVERYONE UP.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WHAT WOULD THE IMPACT, BE IT OR MAYBE CHRISTIAN MAYBE SOMEBODY SHOULD WALK US THROUGH THE 35% EXCLUSION AND WHAT THE EXTREME IMPACT IS HAS THERE BEEN A CHANGE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AT THE 35% NOTHING CAN BE DONE UNLESS YOU'VE ALREADY OWN THE PROPERTY, CAN WE WALK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN I HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT WATERFRONT PROPERTY.

KRISTEN WILSON: SURE, SO.

KRISTEN WILSON: WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A BALANCE BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE PURCHASED PROPERTY WITH REGULATIONS ON THE BOOK HAVING NOTICE OF THOSE REGULATIONS VERSUS THOSE THAT ARE KIND OF RETROACTIVELY SUBJECTED TO THEM, SO IF YOU APPLY TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

KRISTEN WILSON: AND YOU HAVE A SLOPE THAT EXCEEDS 35% THE WAY THE THE DRAFT IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN.

KRISTEN WILSON: AND YOU YOU.

KRISTEN WILSON: BOUGHT THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THIS LAW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD GRANT YOU THE NECESSARY STEEP SLOPE PERMIT IF HE MET THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN ITS YOU KNOW SUBSECTION.

KRISTEN WILSON: B ONE KIND OF A THROUGH D, SO THE SAME GOES BACK TO THE SAME STANDARDS OF REVIEW THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD OTHERWISE APPLY TO SOMEONE WITH LESS THAN A 35% SLOPE, BUT IT DOES.

KRISTEN WILSON: REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO THE NEXT ONE OF THE REGULATIONS.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: BUT THAT WOULD BE IN RARE RARE AND EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES I THINK CHRISTIAN THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THAT FALL BACK, BUT TO YOUR POINT JOSH.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: IF YOU ARE, IF YOU ACQUIRE A 35% GRADE AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS LAW, THEN IT, IT IS AN UNTOUCHABLE THOUGH AGAIN I'D ASKED KRISTEN I ASSUME, ONE COULD GO TO THE PLANET OVER THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS WITH THAT AND EVEN WITH THAT AND SECRET DRESS.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: IS THAT RIGHT.

KRISTEN WILSON: SOMEONE I GUESS COULD COULD TRY AND APPLY TO GO TO THE BOARD OF APPEALS, BUT THIS IS WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S THE INTENTION IS THAT IF THAT'S PROHIBITED, BUT IF.

KRISTEN WILSON: IT IS A BOARD OF APPEALS THEY DO, THEY DO, THEY WOULD HAVE JURISDICTION.

KRISTEN WILSON: TO TO CONSIDER A VARIANCE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU KNOW JUST FOR FOR AN EXAMPLE IF SOMEBODY BOUGHT PROPERTY AFTER THE SLIDES PAST AND THEY'VE PURCHASED A.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SLOPE IN EXCESS OF 35% AND THERE IS SOME EMERGENCY TYPE UNSTABLE THING THAT THEY NEED TO DEAL WITH IN THAT INSTANCE THE ZONING BOARD COULD HELP THEM ADDRESS, THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, PERHAPS.

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JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT'D BE HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THEY THEY COULD DO ANYTHING WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE NOT STEPPING INTO THE ZONING BOARD BUT THAT'S SORT OF THE THINKING HERE.

KRISTEN WILSON: YEAH AND THAT TYPE OF HYPOTHETICAL, THAT IS, THAT IS POSSIBLE.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND THEN I.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: JUST JUST BEFORE WE WE WE GO ALONG, I THINK IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO FRAME.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OUR SLOPES.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YES.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: AH, I THINK, NICK.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: NICK PRESENTED TO ME AT THE PICTURE OF.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: SMITH STREET AND IT'S DROPPED DOWN FROM THE POST ROAD TO SCHOOL STREET AS ABOUT A 15% SLOW.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: WE PICK UP ERIC JURISDICTION WITH A 25% SLOW, WHICH IS, OF COURSE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: MORE MORE OF A HILL THAN THE SMITH STREET HILL AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WE ACTUALLY DEFINE A 35% SLOPE AS AN EXTREME STEEP SLOPE, THAT WOULD BE TO MY MIND, NEARLY A WALL BUT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: I HAVE, I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE, SO THERE WERE THERE WAS THERE WAS NONE ON OUR TOUR.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: I JUST OFF FOR THAT SO THAT EVERYBODY WHO'S LISTENING HAS A PICTURE OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: MR ERIC THANK YOU THAT'S VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A VERY NARROW SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH I'M SO I WANT TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO TWO THINGS ONE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THE PERSON WHO BUYS THE PROPERTY POST LAW BASICALLY AT THE 35% THRESHOLD.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT IS UNTOUCHABLE PERHAPS IF THERE WAS SOME KIND OF EMERGENCY TYPE CIRCUMSTANCE, WE MIGHT BE THEY COULD GO TO THE ZONING BOARD THE PERSON WHO'S OWNED THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO THIS THEIR 35% SLOPE WOULD BE TREATED LIKE A 25% SLOPE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: OR ME.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: OR SOME SOMETHING ELSE.

IT.

KRISTEN WILSON: YES, BUT THAT THERE IS LANGUAGES AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT THAT AND VARIOUS EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES, SO THE THE IDEA HERE IS TO TELL PUT EVERYONE ON NOTICE THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND YOU HAVE EXCESS OF 35% SLOPE.

KRISTEN WILSON: IN RARE OCCASIONS AND THAT'S BE A REALLY SPECIAL SITUATION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL WILL REVIEW IT IN THE CONTEXT AND WAY THE VARIOUS FACTORS, AS IT WOULD IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF LOOKING AT IT A LESSER STEEP SLOPE.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I'M SORRY.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SORRY THANKS THE NEXT THING, BUT STILL, YOU CAN INTERRUPT ME IF THIS.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YEAH GO AHEAD AND FINISH.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WATERFRONT PROPERTY WHERE PEOPLE HAVE AND I'VE TRAVELED ALONG RISE WATERFRONT BUT I CAN'T SAY THAT I SURVEYED AT ALL, BUT YOU AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE WITH THE 500 THE NEW 500 SQUARE FOOT THRESHOLD WHAT IMPACT THAT HAS ON.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: PEOPLE'S HOMES THAT WANT TO HAVE WATERFRONT ACCESS OR THEY HAVE A SEAWALL THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE EITHER ONE ADVOCACY WHILE THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE A SEAWALL OR ALL THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS THAT GO ON ALONG THE WATERFRONT THAT KIND OF AREA OF SLOPE SEEMS TO ME TO WARRANT.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AMONGST OUR DISCUSSION.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SEPARATE CONSIDERATION.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND MAYBE THE ANSWER FROM THE EXPERTS IN THE ROOM IS WE'VE WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AND WE DON'T THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE BECAUSE 500 SQUARE FEET IS STILL SO BIG THAT IT WOULDN'T.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AFFECT WATERFRONT ACCESS OR A CEO I JUST DON'T KNOW I JUST BEEN THAT'S THE ONE AREA I'VE LOOKED AT, WHERE I SAY, WOULD THIS.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: DISTURB SOMEBODY'S ABILITY TO ENJOY THE PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEY ALREADY OWN OR OR PURCHASE AND WANT TO IMPROVE IN A WAY THAT WE MIGHT OTHERWISE THINK IS LOGICAL AND SENSIBLE.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: BUT THIS IS WHY WE HAVE THESE BOARDS RIGHT TO HELP PEOPLE.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THROUGH THE PROCESS AND IF IF THE PLANNING BOARD SEES THAT OKAY, THESE WILL ALLOW FOR SAFE WATER ACCESS FOR PROPERTY OWNER, THEN YOU KNOW YOU'RE YOU'RE ALLOWING YOUR BOARD TO USE THEIR YOU KNOW THEIR SKILLS TO TO COME WITH THE BEST WAY TO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

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JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND IF THE 25% LEVEL THAT'S THAT I CAN WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THAT BECAUSE WE'VE GIVEN THAT DISTRICT, YOU KNOW GO WORK IT OUT WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AT THE 35% LEVEL WE'VE SAT A FAIRLY HIGH BAR.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WHERE THE DEFAULT IS NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT AND THE SECONDARY DEFAULT IS.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT ALSO UNLESS YOU ALREADY OWN THE PROPERTY AND THERE'S EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES SO IF I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THE 35% EXCLUSION ON WATERFRONT PROPERTY WHAT WHAT THAT WHAT THE IMPACT ON THAT WOULD BE THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION ABOUT THIS NEW.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE PERMITTED SAY LIKE LIKE DECKS, FOR EXAMPLE, SO MAYBE IF YOU WERE TO PUT A DOC THAT WOULD FALL UNDER FALL UNDER THE SAME.

KRISTEN WILSON: WELL, IF IT'S A REPLACEMENT IN KIND.

KRISTEN WILSON: YEAH BUT.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU COULD PUT A LADDER.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU KNOW.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU COULD.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: DO OTHER THINGS THAT.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: DON'T NECESSARILY DISTRICT, THE SLOPE I THINK KRISHNA WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: IS IT FAIR TO SAY, AM I OVER SIMPLIFYING THIS IS THAT WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS THAT IF YOU OWN THE PROPERTY NOW.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND YOU WANT 35% SLOW, YOU HAVE A WATERFRONT PROPERTY.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND YOU SAY NO, THE WALL IS FAILING AND I WE'VE DONE THESE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION IF THERE'S VERY SUBSTANTIAL PROJECTS, BUT YOU WOULD SEND YOU ON THE PROPERTY NOW YOU WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THEY WOULD APPLY THE TASK, A LOOK AT THE EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: IF YOU'RE A NEW OWNER OR OUR CURRENT OWNER THAT SOLD TO A NEW OWNER.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE ZONING BOARD AND THE ZONING BOARD WOULD.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: USE THE VARIANCE CRITERIA TO.

KRISTEN WILSON: SO YEAH I MEAN IT WOULD BE THE PROCESS OF THE NEW OWNER GOES TO THE ZONING BOARD, THEY HAVE A 40% SLOPE.

KRISTEN WILSON: ZONING BOARD APPLIES THE CRITERIA THEY'RE BALANCING TEST AND GRANTS THEM, WHATEVER THAT WE'VE THAT PERCENT VARIANCE WOULD BE, BUT THEN THEY WOULD STILL THAT APPLICANTS STILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND GET THE PERMIT THEY JUST GOT THE WAIVER FROM.

KRISTEN WILSON: IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN LIKE A SIDE YARD VARIANTS THEY STILL NEED A SUBSTANTIVE APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

KRISTEN WILSON: THAT'S HOW I.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: USED TO QUICK QUESTION HOW MANY WATERFRONT PROPERTIES, DO YOU THINK DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO WATER, ALREADY.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: ALL OF THEM.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: ALL RIGHT, SO MAYBE WE'RE JUST TO GET.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: AN, I GUESS, SO I MY PERSPECTIVE ON THE WATERFRONT PROPERTIES IS, AS I FEEL LIKE WE DO NEED TO BE PROTECTING THE SLOPES IN THESE SITUATIONS, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE ARE TALKING SUE TRUE AND RAISE THE POINT OF US BEING A COASTAL COMMUNITY AND.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: YOU KNOW I DON'T.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THIS, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'D BE WANTING TO PROTECT AGAINST SORT OF.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: CHISELING AWAY AT SLOPES.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: OUR OCEAN TOTAL.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: PLEASE BELIEVE IN.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU CAN TRY AND PLEASE YEAH YEAH.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SO THANKS, SO THE WAY THIS WAS WORDED BEFORE.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WE LEFT IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE WAY IT'S WORDED NOW IS THEY'RE OUT OF IT, YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT, AND I JUST WONDER WHY WE DON'T.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU KNOW WHAT, WHY ARE WE TAKING THEM OUT OF IT, I MEAN WE WE TRUST THEM THEY USE GOOD JUDGMENT IT'D BE VERY HARD TO DO SOMETHING ON A 35 FOOT SLOPE AND GET THEIR APPROVAL.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WHY ARE WE, WHY ARE WE, AND WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT AND I'M SURE EVERYONE HERE IS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES TO THIS, AND SO THE QUESTION IS IS.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WHY IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE, WHY DON'T WE RELY WHY CAN'T THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKE THIS DECISION, WHY, WHY ARE WE SAYING IT CAN'T HAPPEN THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: AND, AND I RESPOND TO THAT BY BY SAYING THAT A 35% SLOPE IS AN EXTREME STEEP SLOPE, THEY ARE TO, TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE THEM AND CONFINED THEM THEY REMAIN SOME OF THE LAST DONE ON VIOLATED.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OR UNDEVELOPED PARTS OF RYE, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE TRYING WITH THIS TO PROTECT A SENSE OF OPEN SPACE AND AND.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: EASE AGAIN EASE DENSITY PRESERVE VIEW VIEW SHED FOR ALL THE REASONS IT STATED IN THE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PROPOSED LAW, WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP THESE FREE OF FEE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS WHICH IS FUNDAMENTALLY ONE OF COMPROMISE AND CERTAINLY IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH WITH NICK.

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JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: IT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ALWAYS TRYING TO COMPROMISE AND TO FIND A WAY TO IN THE CASE OF A STEEP SLOPE PERHAPS HAVE HAVE HAVE A DISTURBANCE TAKE PLACE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: FINE, MEANS OF MAKING THE DISTURBANCE TOLERABLE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: AND, AND SO I AT LEAST START WITH A VIEW THAT WITH THE EXTREME STEVE'S EXTREME STEEP SLOPES, WE SHOULD BE TRYING HARDER CAROLINA.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WELL, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAVES THEY COMPROMISE THEY WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS HAVE THE APPLICANT COMPROMISE THEIR PROJECTS SO THAT THEY.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY, I MEAN IN CHRISTIAN WILL HAVE MORE TO SAY ABOUT THESE, BUT IF THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO BUILD THIS HOUSE BUT YOU'RE GOING TO CUT DOWN ON THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OF THE EXISTING YOU KNOW OR.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THERE'S A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY, AND SO THE WORD COMPROMISE IS NOT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GIVING AWAY THE STORE, YOU KNOW IS THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ANGLE, FOR THE BEST AND THE MOST BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY BY REDUCING IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, FOR EXAMPLE, OR BY.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: GETTING RID OF BAMBOO ON A PROPERTY OR BY YOU KNOW, ADDING SOME SOME PLANTINGS FISHING WILL HAVE MORE TO SAY IT'S NOT LIKE WAYS BEEN PORTRAYED IS IS MORE LIKE THEY'RE GIVING AWAY THE STORE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: WELL, I AGREE WITH WHAT THE COUNCIL IS DOING HERE IS YOU'RE ESTABLISHING A NEW LAW FOR PROTECTION OF A RESOURCE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND IN THAT YOU ARE ALSO SETTING FORTH VERY STANDARDS, WHAT YOU WANT TO REGULATE WHO REGULATES THEM AND HOW THEY SHOULD BE REGULATED.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: SO SIMPLY PUT 25% SLOPES ARE SUBJECT TO A SERIES OF REQUIREMENTS AND 35% SLOPES WHICH THE ZONING REVISIONS COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED HAVE A HIGHER STANDARD OR REVIEW.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND SO IT'S IT'S MORE ONEROUS IT'S MORE DIFFICULT IT'S HARDER TO DO THAT, I GUESS, WHERE I'M GETTING CAUGHT UP HERE AND I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: IF YOU'RE A NEW OWNER YOU'RE NOT GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD AND THE CITY COUNCIL HASN'T SET FORTH THE SAME SORT OF STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS OF REVIEW FOR THE ZONING BOARD.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: TO TO LOOK AT THESE 35% SLOPE DISTURBANCES FOR NEW OWNERS SO ARGUABLY AND EXISTING AND IT GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND THE AND THE NEW OWNER GOES TO THE ZONING BOARD I DON'T KNOW THAT IF THE ZONING BOARD IS A VEHICLE FOR RELIEF AND APPEAL.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: THAT THIS COUNCIL MAY BE INTENSE THAT YOU PROBABLY IF IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A RIGOROUS REVIEW BY ANYBODY, YOU PROBABLY WANT IT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ADHERE TO THOSE YOU KNOW DIFFICULT STANDARDS THAT YOU SET FORTH IF 35% SLOPES.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: IT I HOPE I'M MAKING SENSE HERE, BUT IN ESSENCE YOU'RE MAYBE UNINTENTIONALLY HAVING TWO BOARDS DO THE SAME THING UNDER DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES ONLY BEING CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: THAT THAT'S HELPFUL, THANK YOU.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: KNOW WHY ARE WE, BUT JUST GOING BACK TO THE NEW OWNER CONCEPT, I MEAN WE'RE WORRIED THAT THIS IS GOING TO TRIP UP NEW OWNERS WHEN THEY'VE BOUGHT A PROPERTY AND THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING TO IT.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I MAY NOT.

KRISTEN WILSON: SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID IS SOMEONE COMING IN AND ARE YOU GOING THAT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TAKEN THEIR PROPERTY.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YEAH BUT I MEAN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IF SOMEBODY'S BUYING A PROPERTY AND THEY AND IT'S I MEAN AREN'T YOU DOING THE DUE DILIGENCE ON YOUR OWN TO SAY.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: LIKE IF I WANT TO CHANGE THE PROPERTY OR I WANT TO DO SOMETHING TO IT WHEN YOU RESEARCH THAT AND LOOK AT THE ZONING LAWS BEFORE YOU BUY THE PROPERTY.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I MEAN THERE'S NOT THERE'S AN INCUMBENT OBLIGATION ON A HOMEOWNER BUYING A PROPERTY TO SAY WHAT AM I GETTING INTO HERE.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I MEAN IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE ASSUMING THAT OH SOMEBODY BUYS A PROPERTY AND THEN THEY READ THE ZONING CODE AND THEY'RE LIKE OH I CAN'T DO THIS, YOU KNOW WOE IS ME, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME OBLIGATION.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: ON PURPOSE OR.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: TO RESEARCH ZONING AND KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: SO I THINK THAT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL BASIS OF THIS PROVISION EXACTLY THAT BUYER BUYER WEEK, AND SO THE EDUCATED BUYER WILL WILL PAY LESS.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: SO THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO WE TALKED ABOUT THE NEW.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: BUYER, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE OLD CELLAR.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: I THOUGHT I THOUGHT, SOME OF MY SORRY MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS TAKINGS PIECE WAS THAT WE WERE.

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EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: THAT'S WHY WE WERE ALLOWING ANY REVIEW OF THE 35% UNDER AIR AND EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, NOT BY THE NEW OWNER WHO COMES IN.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: MY UNDERSTANDING NEW OWNER WAS THAT IT'S PROHIBITED THAT'S THE GENERAL RULE, AND I THINK THAT'S THE IMPACT THAT WE ARE HOPING TO HAVE WITH THIS LAW, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: IF YOU'RE LET'S SAY ON THE WATERFRONT YOU HAVE A RETAINING WALL THAT'S CRUMBLING, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A 35% PROHIBITION, WE WOULD LET YOU.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: GO BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THIS RULE OR AM I SCREWING IT UP.

KRISTEN WILSON: NO, NO YOU'RE RIGHT, I MEAN THE LINK IT WAS WRITTEN IN THIS FASHION, THIS 35% STANDARD, WHATEVER THAT THRESHOLD WAS WRITTEN IN A WAY, SO THAT WE WOULD AVOID TAKING CLAIMS FROM EXISTING OWNERS.

KRISTEN WILSON: MM HMM NOW WHAT, IN YOUR HYPOTHETICAL ON A 40% SLOPE WITH THE FAILING SEAWALL.

KRISTEN WILSON: THERE THE THAT PROPERTY OWNER COULD GO TO THE BOARD OF APPEALS THEY'D HAVE TO MEET THE CRITERIA THERE TO GET INVARIANCE FROM THE 35% RESTRICTION AND THEN IT WOULD STILL NEED A STEEP SLOPE WORK PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

KRISTEN WILSON: AND THE ZONING BOARD IS GRANTING THE VARIOUS THAT GRANTING ACTUAL PERMIT.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: RIGHT AND THAT'S IN LINE WITH HOW WE, YOU KNOW HOW WE OPERATE I IN OTHER RESPECTS IN THE CITY, I THINK RIGHT, I GUESS, THE CHRISTIAN I'M TRYING TO.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: UNDERSTAND BETTER IS MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU SAID WAS THAT MAYBE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THAT PERSON WHO'S THE NEW OWNER WHO'S GOT THE FEELING SEE WHILE TO GO FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, INSTEAD OF THE ZONING BOARD.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: I JUST WATCHED THE THRESHOLD QUESTION OF CAN I GET RELIEF FROM FROM THIS REQUIREMENT IS GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR A NEW OWNER AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS ARE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT SKILL SETS AND REVIEW OF US HAVE A SLOPE LAW.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: THE FAILING SEE WAS THE ONES THAT WE'VE DONE THEY'RE FAILING SEE WALLS THEY'RE NOT PEOPLE SORT OF MANIPULATING THE WATERFRONT NECESSARILY.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND THEY TEND TO BE DESIGNED TO BE MORE RESILIENT TO INCREASING STORM EVENTS HAVE STANDARDS SO THAT THEY REFRACT WATER MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVELY, YOU KNOW THAT THAT SORT OF THING.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: BUT THOSE ARGUMENTS GET MADE AT THE ZONING BOARD AND AT THAT POINT IT'S SORT OF IT'S SORT OF DONE, YOU KNOW YOU GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND MAYBE THEY MANIPULATE THE DESIGN OR WHATEVER, BUT, BUT THE ZONING BOARD WOULD BE.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THE PERMISSION HAS ALREADY BEEN GIVEN SO WE'RE.

KRISTEN WILSON: GOING TO BE CLEAR.

KRISTEN WILSON: IT AND MAYBE IT'S HARD TO DO THIS IN THE HYPOTHETICAL SETTING, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE ZONING BOARD GRANTS VARIANCE AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T GRANT THE PERMIT.

KRISTEN WILSON: BECAUSE.

KRISTEN WILSON: THE STANDARDS ARE DIFFERENT, I MEAN IT IS POSSIBLE, WE CERTAINLY THE BOARDS OFTEN WORK TOGETHER AND COMING UP WITH A.

KRISTEN WILSON: GOOD DESIGN, YOU KNOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION SOMETIMES THEY DO LATER SUGGEST CHANGES TO A PROJECT THAT REQUIRE A VARIANCE THAT WASN'T OTHERWISE REQUIRED, BUT BECAUSE IT MAKES GOOD PLANNING SENSE TO DO THAT, BUT IF YOU REVERSE THAT JUST BECAUSE THE ZONING BOARD.

KRISTEN WILSON: GRANTS OF VARIANCE DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HIS HANDS ARE TIED.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE UNDER THE LANGUAGE THAT IF THE GRANT THE VARIOUS PLANNING COMMISSION CAN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON A 30 FOOT 35% SLOPE, SO YOU CAN'T DO IT BASICALLY WE'RE SAYING IS YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T GET ANY RELIEF, NO.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: NO, NO THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THAT WOULDN'T BE ACCURATE EITHER AND CAROLYN NOW YOU REMEMBER WHEN THIS WAS TALKED ABOUT THE ZONING REVISIONS COMMITTEE THIS IDEA OF 35% SLOPES GO TO THE ZONING BOARD.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND THEN I THINK AT THAT POINT, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF IF YOU GO TO THE ZONING BOARD, THEN YOU MUST HAVE AN A MANDATORY ADVISORY RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION DO RECALL THAT DISCUSSION.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YES.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: YOU BUT BUT, IN OTHER WORDS, THEY DIDN'T WANT THE ZONING BOARD AND THAT DISCUSSION TO BE SO BLIND BECAUSE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: YOU KNOW THAT THEY WOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF GUIDANCE FROM FROM THE BOARD THAT ISSUES, THE SLOPE PERMIT I MEAN THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER WAY AROUND THIS BUT.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: I I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY SO WHETHER THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION BUT I'M.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: SAYING IF THEY.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: CAN I SUGGEST THAT WE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: I THINK WE WE WE WE SEE WHERE THERE'S THERE ARE DIFFERING VIEWS AND PERHAPS A PROBLEM, AND THEN WE TAKE THIS OFFLINE AND TRY TO FIND SOLUTIONS.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO FIND THEM THIS EVENING QUICKLY, AND SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE TURN TO THE PUBLIC, NOW AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT.

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JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: BILL IS THERE SOMETHING MORE, YOU WANT TO SAY.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WELL, IF WE'RE TAKING THIS OFFLINE TO I JUST THE BURDEN OF PROOF, THE NEXT THING THE APPLICANT HAS A BURDEN OF PROOF, BY CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I DON'T KNOW IF I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, AND ANOTHER STATUTE AND IT'S REALLY THE COMMISSION'S BURDEN OF PROOF I'VE NEVER SEEN THE APPLICANT HAVING A BURDEN OF PROOF.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND ONE OF THESE THINGS SO I'M NOT I'M NOT REALLY SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO, WE NEED THAT OR WANT THAT.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I MEAN IS.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THE QUESTION WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: IS TO DO WHAT THEY YOU KNOW MAKE THERE IS.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: NO, NO, BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THE PERSON WHO IS UP THERE THEY'RE UPHOLDING THE RULES RIGHT IT'S IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU WANT AN EXCEPTION FROM THE RULES, THE BURDEN SHOULD BE ON YOU, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME, I HAVE A DIFFERENT QUESTION THOUGH AFTER YOU'RE DONE BILL SORRY.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WELL, BUT BUT IT'S NOT IT'S IT'S TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CHAPTER IT'S NOT FOR AN EXCEPTION.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SO I'M JUST YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT BE LET'S LOOK AT SEE TO AND MAKE SURE WE GOT THAT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: I SUSPECT, I SUSPECT THAT WE GOT THAT FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS LAWS AND DID NOTHING THE THAT THE BURDEN IS ON THE APPLICANT.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT STILL MAKES SENSE TO ME, THOUGH, EVEN IF YOU'RE YOU'RE PROVING THAT WE'RE DOING THIS THE RIGHT WAY, YOU HAVE TO THAT'S WHAT INSPECTIONS AND LIKE DATA FOR.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: RIGHT SO AND THE APPLICANT HAS TO HIRE THEIR OWN.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SURVEYOR AND COME AND TELL US YOU KNOW WHETHER MY SLOPES ARE 18 OR 22 OR 25 OR 27 YOU KNOW THEY HAVE TO COME.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND, AND THEY HAVE TO ENFORCE YOU KNOW, SHOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE SEAS WHAT I'M WORKING, AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GOING BY, SO IT IS JUST THE ADD ON WAS THE CLEARING CONVINCING EVIDENCE WHICH IS YOU KNOW.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: LAURALEE SPEAK MEAN.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: IT'S SO THERE'S A STANDARD CAROLINA THERE WAS NO STANDARD BEFORE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I THINK, BUT BILL'S ASKING NOW IS IS IT IS IT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO IS IT FOR THE BOARD TO SAY TO THE APPLICANT.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WE WE DON'T FIND WE FIND THESE ISSUES, OR IS IT FOR THE APPLICANT TO SAY.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND, IN WHICH CASE THE APPLICANT SAYS, I HERE'S MY PLAN IT'S GOOD AND IT'S FOR THE BOARD TO SHOW WHY IT ISN'T GOOD OR IS IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND THAT'S THE I THINK THAT'S THE IT'S WHO HAS THAT BURDEN.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: MY PHRASING THAT THAT WAS HELPFUL BUT.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE THE APPLICANT HAS THE BURDEN BUT CHRISTIAN, YOU CAN YOU.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: KNOW.

KRISTEN WILSON: THE FACT THAT THIS IS WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT IT'S THE APPLICANTS ASKED THEY'RE ASKING FOR PERMISSION.

KRISTEN WILSON: FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY OTHERWISE WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED TO DO AS A RIGHT, IT IS ON THEM TO SHOW BY WHATEVER STANDARD.

KRISTEN WILSON: THAT THEY'VE MET THE CRITERIA IN THE CODE TO CONVINCE THE PLANNING BOARD OR PLANNING COMMISSION TO GRANT THE PERFECT SO THAT IS TYPICAL THAT IS NORMAL AND MOST JURISDICTIONS.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND, IN SOME CASES, THE PLANNING COMMISSION GOES DOES A SITE VISIT AND, IF NOT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WILL DO A SITE VISIT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE COMPLIANT WITH WITH THE PERMIT THEY WERE GIVEN.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF LIKE WORKLOAD TO IF THE BURDEN WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE CITY TO DO ALL OF THAT YOU WOULD BE CONSTANTLY DOING ALL YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TRIPLE THE STAFF TO DO THAT RIGHT, WHEREAS.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THERE ARE MEASURING ALL THIS STUFF.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT THERE'S ONLY IN, FOR THAT WOULD BE FOR MOST LAND USE APPLICATIONS, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF CASES LIKE WHERE THE BURDEN OF PROOF SHIFTS BUT IT CAUSE THE USING QUESTION OR THE PERMITTING QUESTION.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: IT HAS CERTAIN OTHER PROTECTIONS LIKE RELIGIOUS USES SOMETIMES OR FIRST AMENDMENT USES THE BURDEN OF PROOF KIND OF SHIFTS A LITTLE BIT THERE, BUT IN THESE KINDS OF INSTANCES.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: WHAT YOU WOULD FIND IS THAT THE IT'S THE APPLICANTS RESPONSIBILITY TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION IF THEY FIND OTHERWISE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A RECORD AND THEY HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE KNOW THAT THEIR DECISION ISN'T ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS AND HAVE EVIDENCE AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT I THINK THE LANGUAGES IS PRETTY STANDARD FOR A LAND USE APPLICATION.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: I'M READY TO OPEN THIS TO THE PUBLIC.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YEAH, CAN I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION FIRST REALLY JUST QUICKLY BECAUSE WE KEEP SAYING THIS IS AS OF THE LAW THAT ISN'T.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT WAS THE POINT IN THE MORATORIUM, THOUGH I THOUGHT THIS WEEK, I THOUGHT WE HAD THIS WAS IN EFFECT AS OF THE DATE OF THE MARK MORATORIUM.

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JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THE CONDITIONS OF LIKE HAVING OWNED OR WHATEVER.

KRISTEN WILSON: WELL IT'S DROPPED EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS LAW WOULD BE.

KRISTEN WILSON: YOU KNOW, TWO DAYS AFTER YOU PASS IT IF THERE'S NO RETROACTIVE RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOTHING THE MORATORIUMS IN PLACE RIGHT SO THERE'S.

KRISTEN WILSON: UNLESS YOU'RE IN THE QUEUE TO GET A WAIVER YOUR.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: GOOD THAT'S MY QUESTION DOES ANYTHING FALL IN THE GAP.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: BECAUSE THE MORATORIUM.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YES, THEY'RE SUBJECT TO THE MORATORIUM, BUT THEN THE LAW KICKS IN AND THEN LAW SAYS IT'S EFFECTIVE AS OF THIS DATE.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I GUESS IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET THERE WITH IT WITH AREN'T.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT YOU'RE IN THE QUEUE YOU DON'T MEET THOSE STANDARDS FOR THE MORATORIUM, BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION OF STEEP SLOPE, BUT THE LAW GOES INTO EFFECT, AND YOU WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE NEW LAW.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: OKAY, I JUST I JUST RAISE IT, AS IS THERE ANY SORT OF WEIRD THING THERE THAT WE NEED TO BE.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SOMETHING FALLING THROUGH OR GETTING STUCK THAT DIDN'T MEAN TO BE THAT'S ALL.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: OKAY, JUST GO AHEAD.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: LET'S MAKE SURE NOT BUT, SO NOW WE HAVE AN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING AND LET'S INVITE THE PUBLIC AGAIN JUST ON THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT, AND PLEASE WITH THE THREE MINUTE RULE IN EFFECT.

YEAH.

KRISTEN WILSON: NICK EFFORT.

NICK EVERETT: I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY REGARDING WATERFRONT PROPERTY THAT THEY WOULD BE ALL SUBJECT TO GETTING A WETLAND PERMIT IF THEY'RE DOING ANYTHING WITHIN 100 FEET OF THE HIGH MEAN HIGH WATER LINE OR A WETLAND EDGE AND THE WEAPON PERMITS PROBABLY MORE.

NICK EVERETT: SOMETHING A PLANK MENTIONED USED TO DEALING WITH AND WILL CERTAINLY PROBABLY TAKE MOST OF THE ISSUES REGARDING FAILING SEE WAS ACCESS TO THE WATER.

NICK EVERETT: AND IN THOSE SORT OF SUBJECTS PLUS THERE'S SEVERAL STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCIES WHICH COULD BECOME INVOLVED AS WELL, SO WATERFRONT PROPERTY IT'S REALLY NOT AN ISSUE REGARDING THE STEEP SLOPES AS MUCH BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY GOING TO BE REVIEWED UNDER WETLAND THE WETLAND.

[7. Continue the public hearing to create a new local law amending Chapter 53 “Architectural Review” of the Code of the City of Rye to amend authority and scope considered by the Architectural Review Board in reviewing applications.]

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: THANK YOU.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WELL, I GUESS, I GUESS, MY COMMENT TO, THAT IS IF WE'RE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT AT IF THERE'S SOMETHING REGULATING WATERFRONT.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: ARE WE ARE WE ACCIDENTALLY ADDING AN UNNECESSARY ADDITIONAL BURDEN OR ARE WE HELPING THE SITUATION, BUT WE CAN PUT A PIN IN IT AND DISCUSS IT OFFLINE IS THE MAYOR SEE JUSTIN I JUST.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT'S I'VE JUST RAISED THE ISSUE.

KRISTEN WILSON: ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE.

KRISTEN WILSON: JONATHAN CROWD.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS, AS YOU KNOW, MY NAME IS JONATHAN CROWD I'M A LAND USE ATTORNEY AND LIFELONG RESIDENT OF THE CITY, I ALSO SAT ON THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: AND PARTICIPATED IN MANY OF THE WORK SESSIONS CONCERNING HOW SIGHS THE LAST TIME THAT WAS LOOKED AT.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: RESPECTFULLY I WOULD SUGGEST TO THE COUNCIL THAT YOU JUST DO A GUT CHECK, AS YOU MOVE THROUGH THE STEEP SLOPE AND OTHER CONTEMPLATED CHANGES.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS IT APPEARS TO ME FOR MANY OF THE PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: THAT A LOT OF THIS AT ITS BASE LEVEL HAS TO DO WITH SOME PERHAPS NOT ALL WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE DEVELOPMENT TONE BACK.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: AND OR HOW SIZES REDUCED, AND WHAT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST IS, IF THAT IS REALLY ULTIMATELY THE GOAL IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT LANDSLIDES AND STEEP SLOPES.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: THAT YOU FOCUS THE CONVERSATION, AT LEAST ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT GIVES IT THE INTELLECTUAL TRACTION TO ACHIEVE THAT WAS YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: WITH REGARD TO SEE GROW I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST THAT CITY STAFF PROVIDE FOR THE COUNCIL ON THE PUBLIC.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: THE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE IMPACTED BY THE PROPOSED LAW THAT YOU'RE HEARING THIS EVENING HOW MANY PARCELS WITHIN THE CITY WILL BE REGULATED THAT WE'RE NOT BEFORE.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: AND OR ANY OF THE INDIVIDUALS ZONES WITHIN THE CITY MORE ADVERSELY AFFECTED THAN OTHERS I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE DILIGENCE.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: ALSO, I THINK THE COUNCIL SHOULD TAKE UP A DISCUSSION ON WHAT ARE THE REASONABLY ANTICIPATED FINANCIAL IMPACTS, BOTH ON THE TAX BASE.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: TRANSFER TAX REVENUE TO THE EXTENDED IMPACTS PROPERTY VALUES WHICH CERTAINLY IF YOU RESTRICT DEVELOPMENT, WE ALL KNOW IT WILL IMPACT PROPERTY VALUES.

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JONATHAN D. KRAUT: AND ALSO ANTICIPATED BUILDING PERMIT FEES WHICH THOSE WHO'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL FOR A WHILE, OR HAVE PARTICIPATED IN FINANCIAL.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: DISCUSSIONS AROUND THE CITY BUDGET KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THOSE REVENUES HAVE BEEN THOSE ARE MY INITIAL COMMENTS, I HAVE A FEELING THERE WILL BE SOME REVISIONS TO THE LAW AND, OBVIOUSLY, ONCE WE SEE ANY CHANGES WILL COMMENT ON THOSE SO THOSE ARE MY PRELIMINARY THOUGHTS.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: THANK YOU.

KRISTEN WILSON: ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, IF YOU COULD PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

KRISTEN WILSON: IF NO ONE ELSE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OKAY, SO DO WE NEED A MOTION TO CARRY THIS OVER TO THE NEXT MEETING.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SECOND.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: ALL IN FAVOR.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: AYE AYE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: ONE MORE LOAD AGO.

KRISTEN WILSON: YES, SO THE THIRD LOCAL LAWS, ONE WHICH AMEND CHAPTER 53 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND THE NEW VERSION ALSO AMENDS CHAPTER 197.

KRISTEN WILSON: THIS IS A SECTION 86 TABLE A COLUMN THREE TO REFLECT THE POTENTIAL CHANGE WITH HOW THE HOW ICE HOCKEY RINKS AND SEASONAL COURTS ARE TREATED SO WE ARE PROPOSING WITH THIS AMENDMENT TO TREAT THESE.

KRISTEN WILSON: PERMANENT OR SEASONAL QUARTER RINGS SIMILAR TO SWIMMING POOLS, SO THAT REQUIRED A TWEAK TO OUR ZONING CODE AS WELL, SO THAT HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THIS VERSION.

KRISTEN WILSON: THE OTHER SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IS THE I GUESS STANDARD OF REVIEW THAT IS PUT FORTH AND IT'S STILL UP, I THINK, FOR DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COUNCIL A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S A STANDARD A REVIEW.

KRISTEN WILSON: IS WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, WHICH WAS IN YOUR PRIOR VERSION OR BRACKETED RIGHT NOW CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE SO THOSE ARE THE TWO.

KRISTEN WILSON: SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES, BASED ON YOUR LAST VERSION AT THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING.

KRISTEN WILSON: AND THAT'S IT.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND SEES THE RANKS OR ONCE.

KRISTEN WILSON: ONCE YEAH.

KRISTEN WILSON: THAT'S THE PROPOSAL.

YES.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: RIGHT AND WE DID DEBATE THESE LAST TIME AROUND, AND SO THAT INCORPORATE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT AND WE DID DEBATE BOTH THE MAIN ISSUES, WHICH IS THE TEMPORARY RINKS AND THE STANDARD OF PROOF.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: SO BILL WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE STANDARD OF PROOF, I KNOW THAT'S AN ISSUE DIRTY.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WELL YEAH SO.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I THINK THE THE DISCUSSION IS IS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS LAWS IS IS HELP THE CAR AND GIVE THEM MORE ABILITY TO TO.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: TO.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: TO MONITOR THINGS AND DO DO WHAT WHAT YOU KNOW, PROTECT THE COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOODS, AND SO THE PRIOR STANDARD WAS REALLY A CRIMINAL LAW STANDARD BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, WHICH MEANT THAT.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: IN MOST CASES, BE VERY HARD FOR VAR TO IMPOSE CONDITIONS, BECAUSE THE STANDARD WAS SO HIGH THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: IMPOSE CONDITIONS AND.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS GIVING THEM MORE ABILITY TO TO GIVE THEM WERE TO THINK OF THE LAW MORE TEETH, SO THAT THEY CAN.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THEY CAN REVIEW REVIEW APPLICATIONS AND ACTUALLY.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: MORE POWER TO ENFORCE.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT INAPPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW BUILDING DOESN'T HAPPEN, AND SO, SO THE QUESTION IS IT FIRST DRAFT LANGUAGE WAS MOVING THE STANDARD OF PROOF FROM BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, WHICH MADE GAVE THEM VERY LITTLE ABILITY TO DO THINGS TO MORE LIKELY.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SINCE A LOT OF WHAT THE BR DOES IS SUBJECTIVE MY RECOMMENDATION IS IS, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT DO WE WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY OVER TO A MORE LIKELY THAN NOT STANDARD, OR SHOULD WE FIND A MIDDLE GROUND MORE MOVE MORE INCREMENTALLY AND GO TO A CLEARING CONVINCING STANDARD.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WHICH IS REALLY MEANS THAT.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: INSTEAD OF MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, IT WOULD BE HIGHLY AND SUBSTANTIALLY MORE LIKELY THAN NOT AND SO.

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BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: MY MY FEELING IS IS THAT.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT'S I'VE BEEN BE MORE COMFORTABLE GOING THERE AND THEN GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE PREPONDERANCE STANDARD OF MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, AND IF IF WE FIND THAT THAT YOU KNOW THAT THAT THEY NEED MORE DISCRETION, OR THEY NEED MORE ABILITY TO DO THINGS WE COULD ALWAYS MOVE TO THE TO THE EAST.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: BUT FOR NOW I THINK PERSONALLY I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE, OR AT LEAST.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I LIKE TO HEAR A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHY THE CLEARING CONVINCING STANDARD ISN'T ISN'T ADEQUATE YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE AND DOESN'T GIVE THE VAR THE POWER THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO GIVE THEM.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: UM KRISTEN COULD YOU MAYBE GIVE US ON THE ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS OR SOMETHING WHAT EACH OF THESE DEFINITIONS IS LIKE IF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT WAS LIKE 99% AND THEN LIKE MORE THAN MORE LIKELY THAN NOT IS LIKE I DON'T KNOW 55 OR 60% SO WHAT'S PLAYER IN CONVINCING.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT 75 CENTS.

KRISTEN WILSON: I MEAN YEAH I MEAN YOU'RE NOT FAR OFF.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: FOR ME, SO I DON'T KNOW.

KRISTEN WILSON: I MEAN A COURT DOESN'T ARTICULATE IT AND PERCENTAGES, BUT YOU'RE NOT FAR OFF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT IS YOU'RE AT 99% MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, I WOULD SAY IS IS IS JUST OVER 5155 AND CLEARING CONVINCING IS.

KRISTEN WILSON: IN BETWEEN THOSE 75 80% SO.

KRISTEN WILSON: AGAIN, AND IT IS SUBJECTIVE, IT IS A VERY SUBJECTIVE CHAPTER IT'S HOW MUCH DOES THE IN THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION DOES THE BOARD WAY THE.

KRISTEN WILSON: THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS OR THE LOCATION OF THE GARAGE AND THE MASSING OF THE STRUCTURE, COMPARED TO THE STRUCTURES AROUND IT IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT THESE STANDARDS ARE DIFFICULT TO APPLY CONSISTENTLY BECAUSE EACH BUILDING AND EACH APPLICATION IS DIFFERENT.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SO I'M GETTING HUNG UP A LITTLE BIT ON THE SEMANTICS OF IT AND I REALIZED THAT YOU KNOW PHRASES HAVE LEGAL DEFINITION BEYOND WHAT JUST THE WORDS THEMSELVES POTENTIALLY MEAN RIGHT, SO I GET.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I THINK I'M WITH BILL ON THIS IN THAT WHAT WHAT WHAT IN MY MIND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE IS THE HANDS TIED SORT OF SITUATION WE CURRENTLY FIND THE APPEALS BOARD WITH.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU KNOW, WITH THIS 99% THRESHOLD AND AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS STILL PRESERVE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW OR HOMEOWNER RIGHTS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU WERE TO GET.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: A NEW BAR ONE DAY COMPRISED OF PEOPLE WHO HAD VERY STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT AESTHETICS AND WANTING TO PROPAGATE THAT ACROSS THE TOWN.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT THEY COULDN'T DO SO AT THE EXPENSE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS DESIRES FOR THEIR OWN HOME OR PROPERTY RIGHT SO SO I I GET THAT.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: MY CONCERN, THOUGH, IS THIS WORD CLEARING CONVINCING EVIDENCE THE WORD EVIDENCE GETS ME A LITTLE BIT IN THIS AND IS IF IT'S JUST A LEGAL TERM AND I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT THAT'S FINE.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: BUT LIKE ARE WE SAYING THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE EVIDENCE THAT IT THAT IT'S YOU KNOW GOING TO CAUSE A HARMFUL EFFECT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN THAT THAT SOMEBODY'S GOING TO PRODUCE EVIDENCE OF A HARMFUL EFFECT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: THEY HAVE TO PRODUCE A RECORD.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: THAT IS THE THE BAR NEEDS TO PRODUCE A RECORD.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: SO.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: IS THAT EVIDENCE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: YEAH.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT PRACTICALLY MEANS IN TERMS OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE PRODUCED AND I'M TO END, YOU KNOW.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: CAN WE TAKE A SCENARIO AND.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: PLAY THAT OUT LIKE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: JULIE JULIE, TO YOUR TO YOUR QUESTION OF VISUALIZING WHAT IT MEANS AND PICKING UP ON MAYOR COHEN'S COMMENT.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I WOULD SAY THAT MORE LIKELY THAN NOT WOULD BE SATISFIED BY THE PRODUCTION OF A RECORD THAT HAD.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: ANYTHING IN IT THAT WASN'T JUST SORT OF ARBITRARY OR A PHONE BOOK, YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE YOU'VE GOT TO RECORD, IT HAS SOMETHING SUBSTANTIVE THAT GETS YOU ACROSS THE 51% OR 55% LINE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: CLEARING CONVINCING EVIDENCE SAYS DOES WHITES IN THAT RECORD REALLY PROVE THE POINT I THINK WHAT BILLS PROPOSAL IS IS A LITTLE LIGHTER THAN CLEAR AND CONVINCING IT'S LIKE MORE LIKELY THAN NOT BUT IT'S ALSO GOT TO BE SUBSTANTIAL AND SIGNIFICANT THE RECORDS GOT TO BE NOT.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: JUST MY CONCERN.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: RIGHT, SO I HELPED ME JOSH BECAUSE THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS MY CONCERN THAT IS THAT ARE WE OVER YOU KNOW, ARE WE OVER DIALING TOO MUCH A LITTLE BIT IS THERE SOMETHING, THEN MAYBE BETWEEN 55% AND 75 80% AND YOU KNOW I DON'T.

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JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SURE, I THINK.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I THINK YEAH I THINK THOSE PROPOSAL IS THAT I THINK IT'S LIKE, IF YOU WANT TO USE PERCENTAGES IT'S LIKE A 66% YOU KNOW IT'S.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: NOT HE'S AT THE 75 80% RIGHT NOW AND I'M SAYING.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I WANT TO GO IS THERE ONE STEP DOWN FROM THAT SO WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS THAT IF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS HAS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND SAY YOU.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THIS YOU KNOW IT'S NOT A PHONE BOOK, YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT THOSE WINDOWS ARE JUST TOO BIG AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR TV'S AT NIGHT WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT THEIR KIDS TO BED, AND THAT IS JUST A TRAVESTY.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: LIKE IS THAT CLEAR AND CONVINCING I DON'T.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: OH I'M SORRY I'M SORRY I WASN'T REFERRING TO CLEARING CONVINCING I THOUGHT BILL HAD PROPOSED THE SUPREME COURT VERSION OF A HIGHER MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, BUT MAYBE YOU HADN'T GOTTEN THEIR BILL, I WAS SKIPPING THE.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: DEFINITION IS.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THE DEFINITION OF CLEAR CONVINCING IS IS REALLY HIGHLY AND SUBSTANTIALLY MORE LIKELY THAN NOT AND SO WE'RE REALLY.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: OUT IS.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WHAT WE'RE REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IS.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: LET'S LET'S BE SURE NOT NOT LIKE A 5050.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: OH SON THAT IT'S LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THESE SUBJECTIVE JUDGMENTS LET'S REALLY BE SURE THAT YOU KNOW THAT THAT YOU'RE YOU KNOW YOU'RE SOLID THAT THEY'RE SOLID JUDGMENTS AND SO.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I THINK YOU KNOW IT AGAIN WE'RE WE'RE WEIGHING PROPERTY RIGHTS VERSUS THE COMMUNITIES RIGHT, SO I THINK AND, AND SO I JUST I JUST LIKE THAT BALANCE, A LITTLE BETTER IT'S IT'S IT'S SO SUBJECTIVE, I THINK.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU KNOW I LIKE TO BE ARE LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A PRETTY CLEAR CASE AND NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW MIGHT BE, AND JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE A LITTLE BIT LESS AND PEOPLE CAN HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON THAT BECAUSE IT IS SUBJECTIVE AND SO WHAT I'M SAYING.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: IT'S NOT ALWAYS.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SUBJECT MAKE SURE THAT YOUR.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I'M SORRY BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS SUBJECTIVE AND IT'S IN THE IN THE DEFINITION OF SECTION 153 ONE IF YOU GO INTO.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WHAT THEY HAVE TO JUGGLE RIGHT THEY HAVE TO JUGGLE THE DETERMINE THE CONDITIONS AFFECTING THE HEALTH SAFETY MORALS AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE INHABITANTS OF THE COMMUNITY.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND IF IT DESTROYS PROPER RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN TAXABLE VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE COST OF MUNICIPAL SERVICES PROVIDED, THEREFORE, I THINK IT'S MORE JUST, IT IS NOT IT SHOULDN'T BE JUST THE WINDOW, BUT HOW IS THIS IMPACTING AND, AS YOU SAW FROM FROM.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: FROM RYAN'S MAPS, WE ARE PACKED JAM PACKED JAM PACKED WITH WITH HOUSES ALL OVER I MEAN I'M TALKING ABOUT IN GENERAL OLD ALL THESE LOSS BUT BUT FOR HERE YOU'RE ALSO DETERMINING WHAT IS THE IMPACT AND INDICES, A DISEASE.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU CAN QUANTIFY THIS IS QUANTIFIABLE IT'S NOT JUST THAT I DON'T LIKE THOSE WINDOWS.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WELL, I THINK A LOT OF IT IS SUBJECTIVE I MEAN I SAID THOSE THREE THINGS YOU SAID TWO OF THEM TWO OUT OF THREE OR MORE SUBJECTIVE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: GOOD SO BILL JUST TEAR TEAR YOUR SUPREME COURT POINT I MEAN JUST LOOKING AT THAT IT'S I GUESS WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS LIGHTER IS I'M USED TO AN EARLIER DEFINITION WHICH IS INCORRECT, BUT IT JUST IT'S.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: NOT IT, YOU HAVE TO BE WELL BEYOND 50% IS IS SOME OF THE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THE THE WRITING ABOUT THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED, AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT CLEARING CONVINCING IS A 70% I MEAN I THINK WE'RE MAKING A MISTAKE, USING PERCENTAGES, BUT IT IS AN EASY WAY TO VISUALIZE IT, THE IDEA IS THAT 51% MEANS YOU JUST SORT OF GET.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: MORE LIKELY THAN NOT MEANS YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE A REASON YOU HAVE A RECORD AND A REASON YOU'RE YOU'VE YOU PREVAIL CLEARING CONVINCING MEANS YOUR REASON HAS TO BE AS TO HAVE SOME SUBSTANCE TO IT, IT IS SUBJECTIVE BUT.

I THINK.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: EMILY EMILY WAS TRYING TO SPEAK SORRY.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO SORT OF THE OVERALL LIKE HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE, SO WE HAVE A BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW THAT HAS OCCASIONALLY BUT HAD RULINGS THAT HAVE BEEN OVERTURNED I GUESS.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: WHEN TAKEN TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS IN EVERY INSTANCE THEY ARE OVERTURNED IS THAT THAT'S RIGHT SO.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PROTECT THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS BYE.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: BYE BYE.

KRISTEN WILSON: YOU'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE DARE DECISION.

KRISTEN WILSON: OR GIVING GREAT.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: OKAY, AND EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THE STANDARD HIGHER OR LOWER IS HELPING IS HELPING THEM SO, BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING IN THIS CONVERSATION IS BETWEEN BILL AND JULIE ON DIFFERENT SIDES IS THAT THERE IS WE'RE REQUIRING THEM TO PRODUCE SOME SORT OF.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: A RECORD.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: THAT IS DEFENSIBLE SO THAT, WHEN THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS GETS THIS.

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EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: RIGHT OR TO OVERTURN IT, BUT SO I GUESS WHAT I'M NOT TOTALLY UNDERSTANDING IS I DON'T SEE A FAULT.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: WITH THE DECISIONS OF THE VAR WHAT I SEE A FAULT WITH IS.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: THE STANDARD AT ZONING LEVEL, SO I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: CAN WE WANT RIGHT, SO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS REDUCE THE STANDARD TO WHICH THEY HAVE TO HOLD THE BAR SO THAT THEY CAN UPLOAD THOSE BAR DECISIONS, BUT NOW THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE GOT.

YOU.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: KNOW LET'S SLOW SLOW DOWN YEAH.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: CUZ THERE'S A STANDARD THAT THE BAR IS SUPPOSED TO HOLD ITSELF TO, AND THEN THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS REVIEWS THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY REVIEWING ON A VERY LOVE STANDARD.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: AN ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS STANDARD THAT'S THEIR STANDARD OF REVIEW, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE BAR TO HAVE MADE A DECISION THAT UNDER PRESIDENT LAW IS BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: SO IF WE CHANGE THE STANDARD THAT THE BAR HAS TO APPLY IT FLOWS THROUGH TO WHAT THE ZONING BOARD IS LOOKING FOR.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: OKAY.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: I'M THIS BURNING BOARD IS NOT LOOKING FOR MUCH REALLY BE BEYOND WHAT THE STANDARD IS THAT THE BOY, THAT IS SET FOR THE BAR ITSELF.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: OKAY, SO WE ARE TAKING, AND I KNOW I'M JUST REITERATING THIS, BUT SO.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: WE'RE TAKING IT FROM BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT TO SOMETHING LOWER AND THE SUGGESTION WAS MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, WHICH IS 51% BILL IS SUGGESTING 75%.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: AND I THINK HIS LANGUAGE CLEARING CONVINCING THE SUPREME COURT LANGUAGE IS AN EQUIVALENT TO CLEARING CONVINCING.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: SO WE'RE RIGHT.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YEAH IT WAS WHAT I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IS THE BALANCE BETWEEN BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT, AND THANK YOU.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: CAROLYN FOR POINTING ME TO THE DEFINITION AND 53 ONE DAY, SO I COULD LOOK AT IT, BECAUSE SOME OF THIS STUFF I DO AGREE WITH BILL IS THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S ACTUALLY YOU KNOW OBJECTIVE BUT THERE'S SOME THAT IS SUBJECTIVE, SO THERE ARE.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE YOU KNOW IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THIS PART WHERE IT SAYS.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WITH THE INTENDED DETERIORATION OF DECISIONS AFFECTING THE HEALTH, SAFETY IN GENERAL, WHERE HAVE WELFARE OF THE INHABITANTS OF THE COMMUNITY, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY THINK OF THE NOT TO REASON PAST OF.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: INSTANCES WHERE THAT MAY BE OCCURRED AND YOU HAD AN OUTAGE POURING OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD ARGUE THAT AND THE BAR WOULD BE SYMPATHETIC TO THAT AND DENY IT RIGHT, SO YOU WOULD WANT THAT TO BE UPHELD, I GUESS THE QUESTION THOUGH BECOMES.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND, IN SOME CASES THAT'S CORRECT IN OTHER CASES, AND I HAVE SEEN THE OTHER EXTREME, WHERE.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THERE HAS BEEN RESISTANCE TO A DEVELOPMENT THAT ACTUALLY ISN'T ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT THERE IS JUST AN ANGRY MASS RIGHT, AND SO, AND PEOPLE AREN'T DOING ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THE POSSIBLE SO I'M JUST TRYING TO BRIDGE THAT, BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT IS IS THERE TO BE THIS THOUGHT THAT HEY IF WE JUST.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: IF WE JUST GET ENOUGH PITCHFORKS WE CAN YOU KNOW TAKE AWAY PEOPLE'S INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT THAT IS THAT'S WHERE I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS AND SO BECAUSE BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN WHAT BEN GO.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WHERE HAVE YOU SEEN THAT HAPPEN.

WELL.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: PERSONALLY, HAVE A.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: LOT OF TROUBLE.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: FOR ME LOOK SO OVER HERE YOU'VE GOT BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT RIGHT THAT'S WAY FAR TO ONE SIDE.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WE'RE TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING THAT'S SLIGHTLY OVER THE MIDDLE RIGHT, AND THEN I GUESS SOLE AND ABSOLUTE WOULD BE ALL THE WAY OVER HERE WE'RE NOT SAYING LIKE SO WE'RE TO MEET AND WORK I'M NOT A LAWYER HERE GUYS, WE ALL KNOW THAT.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: TO ME, THIS PUTS IT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AND PUTS THE BALANCE OF POWER ON BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION RIGHT SO.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: HOW WAIT A SECOND HOW ABOUT IF WE FLIP IT IF YOU THINK ABOUT THESE MORE LIKELY THAN NOT BASED ON SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I THEN YOU'RE I THINK YOU'RE YOU'RE.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: CONFUSING THE STANDARD.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: EXCUSING YOU'RE MAKING IT MORE CONFUSING YOU KNOW IT AGAIN, I WILL THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT WITH NOBODY TRUSTING THE PRESIDENT, YOU KNOW.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: REVIEW, I MEAN THIS IS A LAW AND.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: IT'LL BE AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, AND SO.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: IT'S REALLY ABOUT.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU KNOW, PROTECTING HOMEOWNERS RIGHTS, AS WELL AS AS AS A COMMUNITY'S RIGHTS AND WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE BEST BALANCE WHERE'S WHERE DO WE BEST DO THAT, AND SO, SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS.

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BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND, AND I WOULD BE, I AGREE THAT EITHER STANDARD IS BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHICH MEANS THE VAR CAN'T REALLY DO VERY MUCH.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I JUST I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BALANCE LITTLE BIT MORE PROTECT PROTECTIVE OF PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHT, YOU KNOW IF IT'S IF IT'S 5149.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DON'T LIKE SOMETHING IT'S GOING TO BE VERY HARD FOR THE VAR TO DO NOT AGREE TO DO IT, AND THEN I THINK THIS THIS THIS KIND OF PUTS IT TO ME PERSONALLY AND AND I THINK.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: PERFECTLY REASONABLE FOR PEOPLE DISAGREE, BUT FOR ME IT PUTS IT KIND OF BALANCES THAT IN THE RIGHT PLACE BALANCING THE TWO DIFFERENT INTERESTS.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT THAT'S THAT'S MY FEELING, AND AGAIN I THINK IF WE FIND OUT THAT MAYBE WE HAVEN'T GONE FAR ENOUGH AND WE NEED TO DO MORE, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND DO MORE, BUT I THINK IF YOU GO DOWN TO.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE PREPONDERANCE STANDARD I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AWFUL HARD TO COME BACK SO SO.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YEAH.

BILL HENDERSON., RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I MEAN THAT'S MY FEELING ABOUT THIS.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SORRY, BUT ART IS NOT WHY WE'RE HERE, TO BEGIN WITH, I MEAN WE'RE MAKING THESE CHANGES BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID TO US, AND A LOT OF CASES ABOUT THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON, I MEAN TO ME THIS IS BEING RESPONSIVE TO.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU KNOW A LOT OF DIALOGUE THAT'S HAPPENED ON WHETHER IT BE SPECIFIC THINGS OR NOT I MEAN, BY THE WAY, I THINK THERE'S OTHER THINGS TOO THAT YOU KNOW WE CONTINUE TO HEAR ABOUT EVERY DAY.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT THAT WE SHOULD GO BACK AND ADDRESS PROBABLY TOO, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF LOOPHOLES IN OUR ZONING CODES THAT THAT PEOPLE EXPLOIT.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WHETHER YOU KNOW, THROUGH YOU KNOW HIRING LAWYERS OR THEIR THEIR OWN YOU KNOW DIAL OR WHATEVER, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT HAPPENS HERE THAT THAT REALLY YOU KNOW AFFECTS QUALITY LIFE.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: STUFF AND TO ME.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THIS WAS BEING RESPONSIVE TO THAT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: CAN I.

CAN.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS, I THINK I TEND TO FOLLOW FOLLOW BILLS LEAD BUT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: ALSO WANT TO THINK ABOUT THIS MORE BUT ARE THERE OTHER ASPECTS OF THIS LAW.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OF THE OTHER CHANGES THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: PEOPLE WANT TO SAY THINGS ABOUT THIS EVENING.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I THINK WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME WHETHER THESE TEMPORARY OR SEASONAL THINGS WOULD GET REVIEWED ONCE OR MULTIPLE TIMES, I DO THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: MAYBE YOU HAVE TO BE REVIEWED, A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE YOU DON'T NEED TO BE REVIEWED ANYMORE, BECAUSE THE FIRST TIME.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: IS IS YOU MAKE YOUR CASE IF I WANT TO PUT THIS RANK IN A SEASONAL RANK OR A SEASONAL SOMETHING IN.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND THEN MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE A WELL LET'S SEE HOW IT WENT AND THEN MAYBE THE SECOND TIME AROUND YOU GET YOUR YOUR YOUR LONGER LASTING PERMIT OR MAYBE THE PERMIT SHOULD HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: BECAUSE IT IS A TEMPORARY THING YOU KNOW, MAYBE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SORRY GUYS JULIE WE'VE TALKED.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I AGREE WITH YOU, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU SAID IT BETTER, SO THAT YOU DO IT.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU KNOW YOU'RE SAYING IT PERFECTLY RIGHT WHICH IS, I MEAN IT'S.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: IT'S THE MOTHER CHAMBER COMMERCE MODEL RIGHT WITH OUTDOOR PERMITS WHERE YOU KNOW YOU CAN APPLY YOU BEHAVE WELL YOU GET PERMISSION TO.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU KNOW, EXTEND YOUR LEASE A LITTLE BIT RIGHT AND THEN, BUT IF ANY POINT YOU BEHAVE POORLY IT CAN STILL BE PULLED BACK SO TO THE EXTENT THAT IN 53 DASH A.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: MY GOSH D.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: E D NO D SIX HE SORRY WE STRUCK THE PART THAT SAYS THAT THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES REQUIRE NEW APPROVALS EACH SEASON, HOWEVER, THIS TEAM AND ABOVE THAT THAT'S THERE, SAYS THE APPROVAL WILL BE NULL.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND VOID AT THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES REMOVED WHICH.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: BY NATURE, THERE ARE THINGS GETTING TORN DOWN AND PUT UP AGAIN, SO WE DIDN'T REALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM HERE SO I'M WITH JOSH THAT I DON'T THINK WE QUITE THREADED THE NEEDLE THERE.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND I WOULD ALSO BE HAPPY TO SAY, YOU KNOW ONE YEARS PROBATIONARY AND YOU KNOW YOUR SECOND YEAR, YOU CAN YOU KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN A GOOD DONE IT WELL, AND WHATEVER, THEN YOU CAN APPLY FOR A TWO YEAR LICENSE AND THEN WE START DOING THOSE INTO YOUR INCREMENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: IF YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: WE HAVE APPROVED TO SOME OF THESE UNDER THE EXISTING STANDARD THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW EACH YEAR.

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CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: THEY'RE THERE THEY'RE DONE ONE ONE AND DONE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: THAT ALLOWS THE BOARD TO REVIEW THEM AS IF THEY WERE PERMANENT STRUCTURES AND TO PUT.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: MEASURES IN PLACE AS THEY DEEM APPROPRIATE THAT ARE PROTECTIVE OF SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK, YEAR AFTER YEAR.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: SO THERE ARE EXISTING RINKS I GUESS UNDER THIS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WE'D HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE AND BRING THEM BACK IN.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: TO THE EXTENT THAT THE COUNCIL'S OPEN TO THIS IDEA ADMINISTRATIVE LEE AND JUST BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE OF WHAT WE SEEN HAVING THEM DONE ONCE AND HAVE A GOOD APPROVAL ONE TIME AND NOT HAVE TO RETURN.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: MY MIGHT BE A PREFERRED WAY TO GO.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS, THESE ARE GETTING SO SOPHISTICATED THAT THEY REALLY HAVE SUBSTANTIAL YOU KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CALLED MACHINES OR CONDENSES OR BLAH BLAH BLAH.

ON THEM SO.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YEAH I'M.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: NOT GONNA.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: PULL FOR WHATEVER THESE LINES GAS LINES OR WHATEVER.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I DON'T KNOW ALL THESE THINGS.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A IT'S A IT'S A BIG INVESTMENT FOR.

CAROLINA JOHNSON RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THESE PEOPLE, SO YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO MAKE THESE BIG INVESTMENT IF YOU ONE YEAR YOU HAVEN'T MADE ME NOT THE NEXT ONE.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WELL, AND IS IT TRUE THAT IF YOU.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: BREAK THE RULES RIGHT IF YOU DON'T COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS PUT FORTH THAT THAT PERMIT COULD BE REVOKED RIGHT AND YOU'D HAVE TO REMOVE IT SO THERE'S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY IF PEOPLE AREN'T PLAYING NICE OR ABIDING BY IT, THAT THEY THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES TO THAT RIGHT.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: WELL, THEY CAN BE PORTABLE AND JUST PLOP DOWN AND GO, BUT THERE THAT THEY TEND TO BE A LOT MORE SOPHISTICATED JUST AS CATALINA WAS ALLUDING TO.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: FIRST OF ALL, SECOND OF ALL THERE'S YOU KNOW, A HOCKEY RINK HAS TO BE LEVEL SO YOU'RE USUALLY DOING OTHER KINDS OF WORK LITTLE RETAINING WALLS CHANGING GREAT THINGS LIKE THAT SO CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF OF IT ARE SOMEWHAT PERMANENT SO IF YOU ARE A TENNIS COURT.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: YOU GO ONCE AND YOU'RE DONE AND THEN IT'S EVALUATED THAT WAY, AND YOU HAVE THE SCREENING AND YOU HAVE ALL THE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE IN THE CODE THAT WE'VE NOW LISTED.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: SO THAT THAT'S ALL I'M ENCOURAGING THE COUNCIL TO DO, I THINK IT WOULD BE MAKE FOR MAYBE STRONGER APPROVALS AND LESS ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN, AS WELL AS THOSE THAT GOT THEM NOT HAVE TO RETURN EVERY YEAR BECAUSE THAT'S WE DON'T DO THAT, VERY OFTEN, THIS ISN'T THIS ISN'T DINING TABLES.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT YOU.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: CAN REMOVE EVERY SEASON.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I FULLY SUPPORT THAT SUGGESTED CHRISTIAN I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TOWARD IF WE COULD AND I DON'T KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: LANGUAGE OR MAYBE IT DOES THAT MEAN IT'S WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT WHATEVER I JUST WENT THROUGH A BUNCH OF NUMBERS AND ENDED IN HE THE APPROVAL SO BECOME KNOWLEDGE WORD AT THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES REMOVED WE JUST HAVE TO TWEAK THAT TO NOT SAY THAT UM.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: WELL.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: YEAH JULIE, WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL OR CHRISTIAN.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: COULD YOU RECEIVE I THINK I'D HAVE TO GO TRACK WITH THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, BUT I THINK D.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: BECOMES NOLAN BOYD IS, IF YOU HAVE A TENNIS COURT OR SWIMMING POOL IT'S REMOVED IT'S IF THAT'S WHAT THE CASE.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS THE SEASONAL THINGS AREN'T AREN'T NOLAN BOYD BECAUSE ELEMENTS OF THEM ARE SUBSTANTIAL PORTIONS OF THEM ARE REMOVED THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT I, SO I THINK.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: WILL MAKE.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YEAH EXACTLY AND THEN TO YOUR POINT YOU'RE NOT LIKE PUTTING THE RINK ON A DIFFERENT PART OF THE PROPERTY EVERY YEAR YOU'RE PUTTING IN THAT SAME SLOT SPOT THAT YOU PROBABLY GRADED OR WHATEVER SO YEAH ALRIGHT, SO I I WILL I WILL SUPPORT WHATEVER LANGUAGE YOU SUPPORT IN THAT.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: REGARD AND I UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE TO CLARIFY D.

CHRISTIAN K. MILLER, CITY PLANNER: AND E IN THAT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OKAY, SO LET'S SEE WHAT WE WORD LET'S SEE WHAT WE GET ON THAT, BY WAY OF A PROPOSAL TO CIRCULATE AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS BEFORE OPENING THIS TO THE PUBLIC.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: KRISTEN CAN YOU SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS LAW.

KRISTEN WILSON: THAT'S WE HAVE JONATHAN CROWD.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: GOOD EVENING AGAIN I'LL SPARE THE REINTRODUCTION I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL IF YOU HAVE A GUT FEEL FOR HOW MANY APPEALS THERE BEEN TO THE ZONING BOARD FROM THE DR IN THE LAST ONE YEAR FIVE YEARS IN 10 YEARS AND I WOULD BET.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: MONEY THAT MOST OF YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER, THERE HAVE BEEN VERY FEW OF THEM IN REALITY.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: AND THERE ARE SO FEW THAT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST YOU AS CITY STAFF TO PROVIDE THE DECISIONS OF THE CVA SO THAT YOU CAN READ THEM ALL, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A REAL BIG PACKET.

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JONATHAN D. KRAUT: THE MAYOR, I BELIEVE, IS INCORRECT AND CITY STAFF CAN CHECK THIS THERE HAVE BEEN AT LEAST ONE THAT I CAN THINK OF, AND PERHAPS A COUPLE THAT WERE UPHELD DECISIONS OF THE VAR SO IT'S INCORRECT THAT THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN OVERTURNED.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: I CERTAINLY THINK IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY YOU NEED TO GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS BEFORE YOU ADOPT ANY CHANGES, GIVEN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE YOUR APPELLATE BOARD FOR CHECKS AND BALANCES.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: AND I DO THINK, TO SOME DEGREE IT'S MISGUIDED IF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PREVENT MORE DECISIONS FROM BEING OVERTURNED THAT'S THE ESSENCE OF THE CHECKS AND BALANCES.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: I WILL TELL YOU JUST AN ANECDOTAL STORY ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO WAS MY FIRST MY FIRST TIME THAT I GOT TO KNOW THE.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: VAR MRI UNDER THE EXISTING LAW AND I WENT THERE TO BUILD MY OWN HOUSE AND IF YOU CAN PICTURE THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE HAD A PLAN WITH THREE WINDOWS ONE UP TOP AND TWO DOWN BELOW WITH A CHIMNEY IN BETWEEN THE TWO.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: AND THEN CHAIRWOMAN OF THE VAR INSISTED THAT A WINDOW BE INSTALLED IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER, I WAS IN FRONT OF THE BOARD WITH A PROFESSIONAL RA ARCHITECT.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: AND THE ONLY PLACE THAT LOCATION ON THE HOUSE COULD BE SEEN FROM WAS MY NEIGHBORS PATIO MY NEIGHBOR WAS THERE, TESTIFYING ASKING FOR THERE NOT TO BE A WINDOW LOCATED THERE.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: THE CHAIRWOMAN INSISTED THAT THERE BE A WINDOW THERE, AS IS OFTEN THE CASE, THERE WAS NOT A FULL QUORUM AND IT APPEARED THAT THE VOTE WOULD TURN AGAINST ME WHAT HAPPENED WAS I HAD TO COME BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: I DUG MY HEELS IN AND I SAID THE NEIGHBOR WHO, BY THE WAY, ONE OF MY FATHER AND MOTHER DON'T WANT A WINDOW THERE AND WHERE YOU WANT THAT WINDOW TO BE INSTALLED IS INSIDE THE CLOSET IN THE MASTER BEDROOM.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: HER ANSWER BACK WAS YOU CAN PUT A SHADE IN AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT CAN'T BE SEEN FROM THE STREET.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: I TELL YOU THAT STORY BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE IT WASN'T THE LAST TIME I EVER HEARD SUBJECTIVE UNREASONABLE COMMENTARY.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: FROM MEMBERS OF THE IRB I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO SEEK TO AVOID MR HENDERSON POINTED OUT WITH THE USE OF THE WORD SUBJECTIVE.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: I THINK WHAT YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON IS NOT NECESSARILY APPELLATE STANDARD, BUT HOW THE A OR B OPERATES.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: A LOT OF WHAT THEY DO SUBJECTIVE IS NOT REALLY ACCEPTABLE PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE IMPORTANT, I THINK YOU PROBABLY SHOULD CONSIDER.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: INSERTING IN YOUR LAW A PROVISION THAT SAYS A ZONING COMPLIANT STRUCTURE IS PRIME OF FACIAL EVIDENCE.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: OF PERMISSIBLE BULK AND SIZE, BECAUSE OFTEN I'VE HEARD THE VAR SAY THEY DON'T LIKE THE SIZE, EVEN THOUGH IT COMPLIES WITH YOUR ZONING WHICH GOES BACK TO A COMMENT I HAD.

[8. Residents may be heard on matters for Council consideration that do not appear on the agenda.]

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: EARLIER, IF ALL OF YOURS ONLY DISCUSSIONS ARE REALLY ABOUT IMPINGING DEVELOPMENT LET'S BE INTELLECTUALLY HONEST AND LET'S DEAL WITH THAT I WOULD LASTLY POINT OUT TWO THINGS ONE.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: THE IRB IS NOT COMPRISED OF REGISTERED ARCHITECTS YOU ALMOST ALWAYS HAVE A REGISTERED ARCHITECT APPEARING IN FRONT OF THAT BOARD.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO TIGHTEN DOWN THE STANDARD, YOU NEED TO INCREASE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR YOU'RE SITTING MEMBERS OF THE IRB BECAUSE, OTHERWISE, WHAT YOU REALLY HAVE OUR OPINIONS AND OFTEN LOUD VOICES.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: ARE HEARD FROM NEIGHBORS WHEN THEY'RE INCORRECT, THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY, IS WHAT DOES EVERYONE ON THE BOARD, THINK OF GREENWICH'S RESIDENTIAL COMPOSITION IN TERMS OF A STATIC.

[9. Resolution to send a letter to the US Coast Guard regarding their planned removal of Federal Channel buoys.]

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: AND MAYBE AS CHRISTIAN IF HE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH GREENWICH'S LOG WITH REGARD TO THE IRB BECAUSE I THINK YOU'LL BE SURPRISED CHRISTIAN.

KRISTEN WILSON: THERE ANYONE ELSE, THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

KRISTEN WILSON: ON THIS MATTER COULD RAISE YOUR HAND.

KRISTEN WILSON: JONATHAN I SEE YOUR HAND IS STILL UP.

KRISTEN WILSON: NO NOW IT'S GONE ANYONE ELSE.

KRISTEN WILSON: IF NOT, FOR THEIR HANDS OH WAIT SORRY JONATHAN BACK.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: I DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT KRISHNA ON THE SPOT UNLESS I'M INCORRECT GREENWICH DOES NOT HAVE AN IRB.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: AS IS THE CASE WITH MANY OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE A GREAT COMPOSITION OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD DISBAND THE ARABIC BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYONE ON THIS BOARD.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: WOULD REALLY CONSIDER IT, BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD STEP BACK AND TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THIS, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT THERE'S VERY, VERY FEW DECISIONS THAT ARE ACTUALLY APPEALED SO IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE IT'S A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM, THANK YOU.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: THANK YOU.

KRISTEN WILSON: NICK EVERETT.

NICK EVERETT: CAN YOU HEAR ME.

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NICK EVERETT: SO JONATHAN'S INCORRECT CREDIT HAS AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW WORK, YOU ONLY DO COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THEY DON'T DO RESIDENTIAL.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

KRISTEN WILSON: THAT, THEN, YOU STILL HAVE YOUR HAND UP, SO I WILL ALLOW YOU TO TALK.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: NIKKI IS CORRECT IN MY HASTE TO GET DONE WITH THE SHOT CLOCK UM I THINK THE FOCUS HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON RESIDENTIAL IN THIS CONVERSATION, AS FAR AS I'VE HEARD, BUT THAT IS CORRECT.

JONATHAN D. KRAUT: AND THAT'S WHY MY COMMENT WAS WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMPOSITION OF GRANITE MOST THINK IT'S PRETTY LOVELY IT JUST CAUSES PAUSE TO SAY, WELL, WHAT ARE WE REALLY DOING HERE SO THAT WAS THE POINT.

KRISTEN WILSON: ANYONE ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE.

KRISTEN WILSON: SOMETHING I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT YOUR HAND IS NOT INTENDED TO BE RAISED, THANK YOU.

KRISTEN WILSON: THAT'S NO ONE ELSE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OKAY, THANKS EVERYONE SO EMOTION PLEASED PUT THIS OVER TO THE NEXT MEETING.

MOVE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: ALL IN FAVOR OR.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YES, RIGHT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OKAY NEXT UP IS RESIDENTS MAY BE HEARD AGAIN, PLEASE THE SERVE THE THREE MINUTE CONVENTION.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: AND PLEASE GIVE YOUR ADDRESS, OR OTHER RIGHT CONNECTION.

KRISTEN WILSON: ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE.

KRISTEN WILSON: YOU HAVE NO HANDS ROCK.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OKAY, SO NEXT IS RESOLUTION TO SEND A LETTER TO THE US COAST GUARD REGARDING THEIR PLANS REMOVAL OF FEDERAL CHANNEL BOYS.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: GREG.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: FEUD TAKE US THROUGH.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: FOR JUST ABOUT ABOUT BY WAY OF BACKGROUND FOR A CERTAINLY RECENT HIT MANY YEARS THE CHANNEL COMING INTO THE CODE BASE AND HAS BEEN MARKED AS A FEDERAL CHANNEL THAT GOES FAR YOU KNOW BACK IN THE YEARS AND CERTAINLY DURING A TIME WHEN THERE WAS COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IN THE HARBOR.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: IN RECENT YEARS, AS THE SILTING HAS INCREASED FROM TIME TO TIME THOSE MARKERS BECOME DISLODGE BECAUSE OF THE HIGH AND LOW TIDE.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: THE FEDERAL CHANNEL IS OR A LITTLE REACH PHRASE OUT A POSTCARD MARK CHANNEL REQUIRES A SIX FOOT DRAFT AT LOW TIDE OUR CHANNEL IS CURRENTLY CLOSER TO TWO FEET AND IN SOME PLACES, LESS THAN THAT IT LOW TIDE.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: IN JANUARY, WE WERE GIVEN NOTICE BY OUR LOCAL COAST GUARD REPRESENTATIVE THAT THEY INTEND ON REMOVING REMOVING THOSE BUOYS.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: BECAUSE THE CHANNEL NO LONGER MEETS THE COAST GUARD GUIDELINES, AS THAT IS INDEPENDENT AND APART TO WHETHER IT IS A FEDERAL CHANNEL OR NOT, THAT IS A COAST GUARD REGULATION ON COAST GUARD MARKS CHANNELS ON A SHELL BASIS, UNLESS THEIR MILITARY GRADE OR HAVE SIGNIFICANT COMMERCIAL USE.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: WE ENGAGED A CONSULTANT SHORTLY AFTER WE WERE PUT ON NOTICE ON THE 22ND TO HELP US AND AN APPROACH OR STRATEGY.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: TO DELAY THIS DECISION OR TO CANCEL THAT DECISION IN ITS ENTIRETY PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF OUR INTENTION TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THE DREDGE AS SOON AS WINNER OF THIS OF THIS YEAR I GUESS I'D SAY 2223.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: SO WE HAVE BEEN CONTACTING A VARIETY OF CONSTITUENCIES ACROSS THE ACROSS THE CITY.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: INCLUDING MAMARONECK INCLUDING GREEN HAVEN OBVIOUSLY ALL THE CLUBS AND THE USERS OF THE OF THE OF THE MARINA.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: THE LETTER THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU IS A IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CONSULTANT, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT PACKET.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: OF WHICH COMMENTS ARE DUE BY FEBRUARY 11, I BELIEVE, AND MAYBE THE NIGHT I THINK IT'S THE 11TH.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: I'M SO, AND SO THIS ADDITION TO WHATEVER CONTACT OR THE ADDITIONAL CONTACT WE'RE MAKING TO OUR STATE AND FEDERAL REPRESENTATIVES COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: THIS WILL BE INCLUDED AS THE OFFICIAL LETTER FROM FROM THE CITY, ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL, THE LAST ITEM TO MENTION IS THAT WE BELIEVE, OR IT IS WE'RE TOLD THAT.

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GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: THE CHANNEL MARKETING IS PART OF AN ELDER DR LW RP AND THAT THAT YOU KNOW BECAUSE OF THAT, WE ARE ASKING PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO BE INCLUDED, AS YOU KNOW, AS A SIGNATORY HERE TO CARRY SOME OF THAT ADDITIONAL WEIGHT.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS IS THAT, REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME OF THE COAST GUARD'S NOTICE AND DECISION.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: THE CITY, WILL CONTINUE TO MARK THE CHANNEL REGARDLESS, AND SO, IF YOU KNOW, FOR THE SAKE OF THIS DISCUSSION THIS MOVES AHEAD.

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: WE ARE PREPARED AND HAVE BEGUN THE PROCESS IF NEED BE, TO MARK THE CHANNEL OURSELVES ONCE THE DREDGE IS TAKING PLACE WILL OBVIOUSLY BE YOU KNOW, CONTINUING TO PUSH ON ON THE COAST GUARD TO TO REMARK, THE CHANNEL, BECAUSE THIS IS DEEMED TO BE A TEMPORARY ACTION.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: I JUST ADD TO WHAT GREG SAID THAT THE L LW RP ASPECT WE HOPE WOULD ACTUALLY BRING THE COAST GUARD TO US TO MAKE MAKE THE DETERMINATION THAT IS IF WE'RE APPROPRIATELY, SUPPORTED BY THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND I'D ALSO ADD THAT.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: I'M HOPEFUL THAT SENATOR GILLIBRAND STAFF HAD A MEETING WITH THE COAST GUARD TODAY AND CONGRESSMAN BOWMAN'S STAFF INDICATED TO ME THAT THEY HAVE A MEETING THE COAST GUARD TOMORROW, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE YIELD OF THOSE MEETINGS MIGHT BE, BUT I AM HOPEFUL.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: JAY YEAH UM AND, IN ADDITION TO THAT, I KNOW THAT MANY RY RESIDENTS AND NUMBER OF THE CLUBS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT USE THE HARBOR HAVE BEEN SENDING IN LETTERS, THE BOAT BASE AND COMMISSION HAS WORKED CLOSELY WITH.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: GREG AND THE STAFF TO AND THE CONSULTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE INFORMATION TO REGISTER THEIR CONCERN AN OBJECTION WITH IT WITH THE COAST GUARD IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET A LOT OF LETTERS IN SO THEY JUST SEE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, ONE OF THE THINGS.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT THAT'S IN SOME OF THE OTHER LETTERS IT'S NOT IN THIS ONE IS THAT OVER 5000 PEOPLE USE THE HARBOR EVERY YEAR AT LEAST PLUS THEIR VARIOUS EVENTS AND VISITORS SO IT'S IT'S AN OVERALL CAMPAIGN TO IMPRESS UPON THE COAST GUARD, THIS IS A VERY GOOD TARGETED LETTER THAT THAT GETS INTO.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: MORE MORE REASONS THAT I KNOW IT TOOK AN I'M VERY GLAD TO SEE THIS BECAUSE WE WEREN'T WE WEREN'T WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS, WE WERE WE WEREN'T SURE WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET HERE WE CAN A WEEK AGO, SO.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: ANYWAY, I'M ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS IN LOOKING AT THIS LETTER, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S WRITTEN TO THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND NOT TO THE COAST GUARD IS THERE JUST A SIMILAR ONE THAT GOES TO THE COAST GUARD OR I MEAN THAT'S A TECHNICAL THING THAT I CAN LEAVE THAT'S.

KRISTEN WILSON: THAT'S REQUIRED UNDER OUR W LW RP THAT WE CONTACT THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE THAT'S THE PROCEDURE THAT'S IN PLACE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH MOST LWR PIECE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: I SEE.

KRISTEN WILSON: THE COAST GUARD IS A COPY TO COPY IT ON IT, BUT THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE IS KIND OF THE CONDUIT THERE'S A THIRD PARTY KIND OF MIDDLEMAN HERE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: GOD SO WHERE IT'S NOT OUR PLACE TO WRITE DIRECTLY TO THEM.

KRISTEN WILSON: NOW WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: OKAY, BUT ALL THESE OTHER THAT THE PUBLIC CAN WRITE DIRECTLY TO THEM JUST INPUT IT INTO THE COMMENTS CAN BE A WHILE THEY ARE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: OKAY, FINE NEVERMIND THANKS.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: AND EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: JUST A QUICK NOTE LITTLE HISTORICAL REFERENCE FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN I'VE SEEN AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: IN THE COMMUNITY ON SOCIAL MEDIA FOR ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO WRITE THESE LETTERS AND I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC AND I, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT I THINK THERE WAS YOU KNOW SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: YOU KNOW THE SITUATION IN THE HARBOR DETERIORATING TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT THE COAST GUARD AND FINALLY TAKING NOTICE AND I GUESS, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THIS HAS BEEN SORT OF A SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME AND IT'S NOT THE DIRECT RESULT OF ANY KIND OF.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: YOU KNOW, LACK OF DREDGING AT THE HARBOR AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IT'S ACTUALLY INCREDIBLY LUCKY THAT IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, AS WE ARE PREPARING TO DEBT TO DREDGE SO I JUST DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY FALSE IDEAS CIRCULATING ABOUT ANY SORT OF.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: YOU KNOW, LACK OF ATTENTION TO THE HARBOR AS PEOPLE WHO ARE INTIMATELY INVOLVED KNOW THE BOAT BASE AND COMMISSION IN THE CITY, HAVE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD ON A DREDGE PLAN OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS AND SO ANYWAY, I THINK THIS LETTER IS A FANTASTIC.

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EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: EFFORT, I REALLY APPLAUD THE BOAT BASIN COMMISSION JOSH LIAISON AND JOB ACORAH THE THE CHAIR AND THANK GREG AND AND JOSH KIND OF COURSE FOR FOR MOVING THIS FORWARD SO THANK YOU.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: I'D LIKE TO MAKE EMOTION, I GUESS, OH.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: SORRY, WHAT THEY THINK BEN WANTS TO SPEAK.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND I JUST HAVE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE BUOYS HERE LISTED REPRESENTS THE ENTIRE CHANNEL FROM WHY MARINA OUT TO THE SOUND CORRECT.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YES, AND IF YOU WANT I HAVE ON MY SCREEN.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: A CHART THAT WILL SHOW HOW EXTENSIVE IT IS IF IF THAT'S HELPFUL.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YEAH I MEAN I USED TO HAVE A BOAT I DON'T ANYMORE, THANKFULLY, BUT UM YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THIS GOES, ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: THE CLUBS AS WELL, AND SO THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING ALL OF THE BUOY MARKERS FROM RIDE BOAT BASIN, ALL THE WAY OUT, SO THIS DOESN'T JUST AFFECT THE RIGHT BOAT BASIN, BUT A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT USE THAT CHANNEL.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: CORRECT IT GOES FROM THE MARINA ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE INTERSECTION OF OUR HARBOR WITH MAMARONECK HARBOR.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: WOULD YOU MIND SHARING YOUR SCREEN JOSH JUST.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: POPPING UP PEOPLE, PEOPLE CAN JUST SEE REAL QUICK HANG ON.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SO I HOPE YOU CAN SEE THAT THE MARKERS ARE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SEE MY POINTER BUT THE PURPLE CIRCLES ARE WHERE THEY MARKERS ARE, AND IT GOES, ALL THE WAY OUT TO THIS LAST ONE DOWN HERE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: GREEN CAN THREE.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: WHICH IS BY MAMARONECK HARBOR AND THE END OF SCOTCH CAPS AND ISLAND.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: SO IT'S THAT WHOLE AREA IT'S NOT JUST THE BASE.

RIGHT.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AND ACTUALLY THE THE CONSULTANT DID A BETTER VERSION OF THIS SAME CHART I JUST COULDN'T FIND IT BUT.

JOSH NATHAN RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: ANYWAY, THAT FOR ANYONE WHO'S WATCHING THIS IS, YOU KNOW IT'S A LITTLE IT'S A LITTLE SCARY.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: SO MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE LETTER.

BEN STACKS RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: YES, TALKING.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: ALL IN FAVOR.

JULIE SOUZA RYE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER: AYE AYE.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: ITEM 10 AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER DAN.

EMILY HURD RYE CITY DEPUTY MAYOR: I'M SORRY IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY IN THE PUBLIC IS RAISING THEIR HAND.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: OH I'M SORRY.

JOSH COHN RYE CITY MAYOR: CHRISTIAN DO YOU SEE THAT.

YES.

KRISTEN WILSON: THANK YOU ANDY.

SUKI VAN DIJK: HI CAN YOU HEAR ME SORRY, I HAVE A BROKEN COMPUTER SO I'M ON MY PHONE.

KRISTEN WILSON: WE CAN HEAR YOU.

SUKI VAN DIJK: OKAY, THANK YOU UM I JUST NEED TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE ON WHAT EMILY JUST SAID.

SUKI VAN DIJK: BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW THAT THIS IS AN ONGOING ISSUE.

[10. Authorization for the City Manager to enter into an Intermunicipal Agreement with the County of Westchester Department of Public Works and Transportation for Bus Passenger Shelters.]

SUKI VAN DIJK: THAT CAME IN WITH THIS.

SUKI VAN DIJK: COUNCIL THAT THE YOU KNOW, IS NOW IN ITS SECOND TERM AND THAT, TO QUOTE THE COAST GUARD PERSON FROM THE MY WRITING TODAY.

SUKI VAN DIJK: WE READ LOCATE THE AIDS ITS NAVIGATION BUOYS TO FOLLOW THE SHORES, TO MAKE SURE THE MARINERS CAN STILL TRANSLATE THESE WATERWAYS SAFELY.

SUKI VAN DIJK: AND WE'VE MOVED THEM SO MUCH TO THE POINT WHERE RIGHT NOW, MAYBE ONE BOAT CAN PASS, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN GETTING WORSE.

SUKI VAN DIJK: IT IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THAT THE BOAT BASIN COMMISSION HAS BROUGHT TO THIS COUNCIL REPEATEDLY OVER THE YEARS AND SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETELY NEGLECTED WELL THE.

SUKI VAN DIJK: COUNCIL OR THE CITY MANAGER WAS SAYING TO THE BOAT BASIN THAT THEY NEEDED TO HAVE THE MONEY TO DREDGE ALL THE WAY OUT FROM THE BOAT BASIN WITH THEIR 350 MEMBERS.

SUKI VAN DIJK: AND THE ENTIRE CHANNEL, AND THAT WAS A LARGE PART OF HOW LONG THIS TOOK TO GET ANYTHING DONE BECAUSE THE BOAT BASIN CAN'T RAISE THAT KIND OF MONEY.

SUKI VAN DIJK: AND, WELL, IT DOES MAKE SENSE THAT THE BOAT BASIN TAKE CARE OF THE PART OF THE HARBOR THAT IS THERE'S IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN DELAYED FOR THIS LONG.

SUKI VAN DIJK: UNDER A RULE THAT SAID THAT THEY HAD TO DREDGE ALL THE WAY OUT, AND THAT IS PART AND PARCEL OF THE PROBLEM HERE, THANK YOU.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

GREG USRY CITY MANAGER: MR MAYOR 50 LIKE I MEAN IT JUST AS A AS AN UPDATE FOR THE COUNCIL AS WELL AS WHOEVER YOU KNOW, MAYBE WATCHING.

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